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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:08:22 PM EDT
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You mean just like with bumpstocks, right? A.W.D. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Like it - a lot. I will also say, that at some point these braces are going to force the hand of The Man to do away with SBR regs or go after braces - as stocks. Everyone is simply too comfortable with the concept now, and we have rapidly drifted into the realm of "designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder." A.W.D. I don't give them enough credit. A.W.D. Those same people probably don't even know sbr's are regulated. I've had to explain to lots of folks why do the brace. Mostly because they didn't know you couldn't just put a stock on it. Braces really aren't on the lefts radar at large. Any legislation to ban them would likely be coupled with a general ban on scary guns period. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:09:32 PM EDT
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Glad I have a couple on order. I’m just confused as to why they aren’t selling them for a bit less without the buffer tube. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:14:58 PM EDT
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The Maxim is $350-380. The Tailhook Mod1 is $99 and the Mod2 is $200. Considering the Mod3 is essentially a Mod1 on a PDW rod assembly, I see it being around $300 which will make it highly competitive in not only price, but function. An aluminum/hard polymer arm/shoulder interface much like a regular PDW stock is 99.9% of the real thing. Sbpdw optics planet |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:15:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this accurate? My understanding once you put a real non- brace stock on it “becomes” a rifle forever If the initial configuration is a rifle, it is always a rifle. Always build stripped lowers as pistols first. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:18:27 PM EDT
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I was thinking of the SB tactical one that is 250. It's not as interesting as the maxim but has a similar look. Sbpdw optics planet Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Maxim is $350-380. The Tailhook Mod1 is $99 and the Mod2 is $200. Considering the Mod3 is essentially a Mod1 on a PDW rod assembly, I see it being around $300 which will make it highly competitive in not only price, but function. An aluminum/hard polymer arm/shoulder interface much like a regular PDW stock is 99.9% of the real thing. Sbpdw optics planet |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the initial configuration is a pistol, it can go back and forth. If the initial configuration is a rifle, it is always a rifle. Always build stripped lowers as pistols first. If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:21:25 PM EDT
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Fuck, who knew there were pistol brace fanbois? A "Blade" can take care of the whole "loaded rifle a vehicle" thing for well under $100.00. Not only does it work, it's simple, and it's a cost effective solution. Done and done. Once the price of the "next best thing" in the brace world goes above $200.00 you may as well SBR unless you live in a state that prohibits them. Hell I've built quality Bladed AR pistols cheaper than some of those brace rigs cost just by themselves. 
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:22:04 PM EDT
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I think most here are familiar with MAP, and in fact most vendors on this and other websites are bound by it. What I, and others apparently, have a problem with, is requiring someone to pay for the knowledge of what the actual price is. Most sellers simply require you to add the item to your cart or contact them to see the price. This is not a comment on you, but I do not trust any business that requires me to pay money just to know how much money I will save. That said, this brace looks really good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you familiar with the concept of MAP? This is not a comment on you, but I do not trust any business that requires me to pay money just to know how much money I will save. That said, this brace looks really good. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:22:18 PM EDT
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Thanks OP I just ordered one for a gun I wasn't planning on building |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:24:36 PM EDT
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Since it uses a mil spec tube this really makes sense Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wish they'd release it without the buffer tube and slash the extra $40 to $60 for it. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:26:24 PM EDT
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The SB version is longer than all the others collapsed. If you're going to pay over $240 for a minimum OAL and not just looks it's a poor contender. That said, the SB is popular for those who want the PDW look but not much of the length savings. It's less than an inch shorter than a regular stock/brace collapsed. The Maxim is 2" shorter, and other versions are even shorter than that, like the Deadfoot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Maxim is $350-380. The Tailhook Mod1 is $99 and the Mod2 is $200. Considering the Mod3 is essentially a Mod1 on a PDW rod assembly, I see it being around $300 which will make it highly competitive in not only price, but function. An aluminum/hard polymer arm/shoulder interface much like a regular PDW stock is 99.9% of the real thing. Sbpdw optics planet |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:29:20 PM EDT
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If you gotta brace then this is hard to beat right now IMO https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310589/0E395908-4884-4C2C-98AF-04D8D03EF43C-481254.jpg https://coppercustom.com/image/cache/catalog/Product%20Pics/BandT/BandT%20GHM9%20(3)-1024x1024.jpg |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:38:36 PM EDT
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GD is a rough place to talk about pistol braces. It’s like talking to my pre-teen nephews about aerodynamics. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:40:17 PM EDT
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If that worked then Cali wouldn't have the fucknutz gun laws they do. How much more 'disabled/differently abled adaptive' can anything be than a collapsible stock with different lengths for differently-abled or different height people? Haven't heard that working. At best you'll have to prove a lack of an arm to get a special permit to be allowed to have a permit to purchase a brace. Subject to all psychological, storage, and use regulations and renewal, of course. Maybe it'll work if you have one arm. It certainly should. But then words used to mean things, too (...shall not be infringed.). |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:41:32 PM EDT
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Please excuse my ignorance, but how do you build a stripped lower as a pistol first? Just put a pistol buffer tube on it then take it off? If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:46:25 PM EDT
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Please excuse my ignorance, but how do you build a stripped lower as a pistol first? Just put a pistol buffer tube on it then take it off? If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? Simply, build a pistol. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:51:57 PM EDT
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Fuck, who knew there were pistol brace fanbois? |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 2:13:15 PM EDT
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Please excuse my ignorance, but how do you build a stripped lower as a pistol first? Just put a pistol buffer tube on it then take it off? Yep, with any upper. Must be a complete pistol. Just hand thread the receiver extension on and build it. I have a spare just for that purpose. If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? Yep, remember that if you're ever charged under this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If the initial configuration is a pistol, it can go back and forth. If the initial configuration is a rifle, it is always a rifle. Always build stripped lowers as pistols first. Yep, with any upper. Must be a complete pistol. Just hand thread the receiver extension on and build it. I have a spare just for that purpose. If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? Yep, remember that if you're ever charged under this. 
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Posted: 4/11/2018 2:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the initial configuration is a pistol, it can go back and forth. If the initial configuration is a rifle, it is always a rifle. Always build stripped lowers as pistols first. 
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Posted: 4/11/2018 3:24:36 PM EDT
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Thanks for the heads up.
Just bought one to replace a kak shockwave on my 10.3 colt 6945 upper. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 3:30:24 PM EDT
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Or say you built it as a pistol first, whatever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/11/2018 3:36:04 PM EDT
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http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180326_105347_zpsmzto9v3q.jpg 6.5 Grendel, 12" |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 3:42:32 PM EDT
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Is this accurate? My understanding once you put a real non- brace stock on it “becomes” a rifle forever Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: I thought you couldn’t have a rifle buffer tube on a pistol. If you have a spare stock laying around, it seems that could be defined as constructive intent. There is also nothing prohibiting having an extra stock body capable of being installed on a standard buffer tube, of a rifle. If you own a rifle capable of legally accepting the extra stock body, you are gtg. If you have a barreled upper of 16" or greater and a stock body, there is nothing prohibiting you from converting your pistol to a rifle and back again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 9:42:56 AM EDT
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Does this also work on a treadmill? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/12/2018 9:56:06 AM EDT
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I believe Q is going to offer the Honey Badger with a brace option soon
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Posted: 4/12/2018 11:43:12 AM EDT
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No, just put the stock on last. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please excuse my ignorance, but how do you build a stripped lower as a pistol first? Just put a pistol buffer tube on it then take it off? If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 11:58:55 AM EDT
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Is this accurate? My understanding once you put a real non- brace stock on it “becomes” a rifle forever Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: I thought you couldn’t have a rifle buffer tube on a pistol. If you have a spare stock laying around, it seems that could be defined as constructive intent. There is also nothing prohibiting having an extra stock body capable of being installed on a standard buffer tube, of a rifle. If you own a rifle capable of legally accepting the extra stock body, you are gtg. If you have a barreled upper of 16" or greater and a stock body, there is nothing prohibiting you from converting your pistol to a rifle and back again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 12:21:18 PM EDT
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There was some nonsense where the ATF was screwing with Thompson/Center that IIRC the ATF lost in court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/13/2018 7:31:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking of the SB tactical one that is 250. It's not as interesting as the maxim but has a similar look. Sbpdw optics planet |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 7:46:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/13/2018 7:57:43 AM EDT
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Please excuse my ignorance, but how do you build a stripped lower as a pistol first? Just put a pistol buffer tube on it then take it off? If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? The burden is on the government to prove you committed a crime. The burden is not on the individual to prove your innocence. With that said, don’t break any laws. |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 9:08:20 AM EDT
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I believe there are ATF ruling(s) or letter(s) stating that a milspec style buffer tube does not constitute a stock. Only an attached buttstock makes it a stock. So the simple answer is to completely assemble an AR *without* the buttstock attached - at which point you have built a 16" barreled pistol, or a 20" barreled pistol or whatever. As the final step, you slip the buttstock assembly onto the buffer tube and presto, your pistol has become a rifle, but per ATF Ruling 2011-4 it began life as a pistol and may now be converted back and forth at will.
I actually bought a pistol stock for a Ruger 10/22 style gun to be able to build a stripped receiver as a pistol (16" barrel) first. FWIW, IMO this is one reason to not buy 2nd hand stripped receivers - because you don't really know whether that receiver began life as a rifle or not. If it were sold first as a stripped receiver, you're likely ok - barring the original purchaser posting his rifle on facespace or something, but if the manufacturer shows that serial number shipped out as a rifle, then you're likely fooked. |
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Posted: 4/15/2018 1:12:53 PM EDT
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so between the SBA3 and the SBPDW, which collapses the shortest? Or are they the same length collapsed?
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Posted: 4/15/2018 1:19:36 PM EDT
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Let's see how well my Karnak is working...
I predict the next "mass shooting" will somehow involve a "pistol brace". Whadaya wanna bet?  
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Posted: 4/15/2018 1:23:52 PM EDT
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... nice, braces "should" be the death of the whole SBR bullshit |
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Posted: 4/15/2018 1:30:17 PM EDT
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Depends on if a mass shooter uses one to great effect like the bump stock I suppose. Those aren't officially illegal yet are they? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand your point, and agree, but more than likely I think they'll be the next bump stock. |
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Posted: 4/15/2018 1:36:12 PM EDT
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Please excuse my ignorance, but how do you build a stripped lower as a pistol first? Just put a pistol buffer tube on it then take it off? If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? Just goes to show you how stupid gun laws are. I love my SBRs, but if I wanted a short barrel now I'd just do a pistol brace setup. |
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Posted: 4/15/2018 1:54:35 PM EDT
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I still prefer Gear Head works, not buying something without an approval letter. https://i.imgur.com/qMeE8Es.jpg I see it's uses a standard buffer as well. |
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Posted: 4/15/2018 1:54:36 PM EDT
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I found a Tailhook Mod 1 in stock (FDE tho); should be here Monday for my AR9 pistol build.
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Posted: 4/15/2018 2:11:58 PM EDT
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What a time to be alive.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please excuse my ignorance, but how do you build a stripped lower as a pistol first? Just put a pistol buffer tube on it then take it off? If if that's the case, how on Gods green earth is that enforceable? |
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Posted: 4/16/2018 11:31:50 AM EDT
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Nice, I see it's uses a standard buffer as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still prefer Gear Head works, not buying something without an approval letter. https://i.imgur.com/qMeE8Es.jpg I see it's uses a standard buffer as well. |
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Posted: 4/16/2018 12:02:40 PM EDT
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Why do people with SBRs get salty when a conversation about pistols starts? It's like gun owners eating their own because they don't like the way someone went about it.
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Posted: 4/16/2018 12:15:12 PM EDT
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Why do people with SBRs get salty when a conversation about pistols starts? It's like gun owners eating their own because they don't like the way someone went about it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2018 12:19:57 PM EDT
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"Pistol" I can carry in the trunk/truck from state to state (in free America anyway ), I don't have to waste an extra $200 on for Uncle Sugar's slush fund, and does not involve a waiting period, is:
While an SBR is: 
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Posted: 4/16/2018 12:25:35 PM EDT
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Nice, I see it's uses a standard buffer as well. |
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Posted: 4/17/2018 12:34:29 PM EDT
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Documentation says it can use a standard carbine buffer tube, but I believe it comes with a proprietary one. Not sure what makes it different?
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Posted: 4/17/2018 12:38:16 PM EDT
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Documentation says it can use a standard carbine buffer tube, but I believe it comes with a proprietary one. Not sure what makes it different? |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 12:04:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2018 1:45:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2018 2:01:17 PM EDT
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Yep. Would be nice to buy the brace and use it with a Vltor A5 tube/buffer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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