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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:02:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 9:02:02 AM EST by Aimless]
When I first posted here a year ago I was met with a warm welcome and had a lot of great interaction with all of you. I hope my videos have brought you the info needed to make informed purchases. But I can no longer support a site that openly extorts me for money.

Earlier this month I posted a thread in the 50CAL section sharing my "Ultimate 50BMG Giveaway". Many of you know that most of the companies I work with on YouTube have agreed to giveaway a model of whatever I'm reviewing. So, we just did a simple giveaway of a AR50, 200rds of 50BMG, a Cerakote Job, 50BMG gong, and a rear bag. The winner was a 26 year old Marine Vet. This is on top of the 5 suppressors I have given away already and we have 6 more this month to giveaway. It's one way I give back to our community, besides the charity shoots I do that are open to the public.

I just received a PM from an admin saying I must pay them or change my screen name. This is in reference to the attention I brought to the 50 BMG giveaway so no forum members missed it.

I already have a paid membership to support this site and actually just paid for another year. But now they say I must have a dealer account which of course, costs much more $. This site has a very bad reputation across the internet and I still gave it a shot. The members here in the NFA section are good to go and I thank you for the conversation over the last year. But I can not do business with a site that extorts a YouTube channel and treats them as a dealer. HKPro and NFATalk pulled the same crap, guess where I no longer visit.

Thanks for your time,
NFA Review Channel

P.S. For those of you that want daily updates and info on the giveaway you can find them on my Facebook page.

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Link Posted: 12/19/2016 7:12:55 AM EST
We have a bad reputation?
Sorry about your trouble. Seriously.
Given your post, surely there can be some middle ground where you can achieve your goals and not be a dealer. Have you asked?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 7:49:37 AM EST
Sad to see you leave, but I completely understand your point.
Luckily I already follow you on the other media locations, so I will see you over there.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 7:58:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 8:02:32 AM EST by disparcher91]
Thats ARFCOM for ya. All about the freedoms you can afford just ask half the members here.

ETA: however if you paint enough graffiti on my wall I will eventually charge you advertising space. So all other things aside I get it.

ETAA: who else knows about us besides the DU? I'll be happy we got any cred at all.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 8:17:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 8:19:56 AM EST by TATBME]
That's messed up, a YouTube giveaway is not being a dealer IMO.
ETA: I was following your YouTube channel before you became a member here and will continue to do so. Don't forget NOT to leave those of us out of the giveaways that don't have facebook.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 8:23:06 AM EST
Thanks for everything, OP. Sucks it went this way.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 8:25:34 AM EST
That's pretty fucked up. I'm totally with you man, best wishes, and I know where to find you.

Link Posted: 12/19/2016 8:49:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By NFAREVIEW:
When I first posted here a year ago I was met with a warm welcome and had a lot of great interaction with all of you. I hope my videos have brought you the info needed to make informed purchases. But I can no longer support a site that openly extorts me for money.

Earlier this month I posted a thread in the 50CAL section sharing my "Ultimate 50BMG Giveaway". Many of you know that most of the companies I work with on YouTube have agreed to giveaway a model of whatever I'm reviewing. So, we just did a simple giveaway of a AR50, 200rds of 50BMG, a Cerakote Job, 50BMG gong, and a rear bag. The winner was a 26 year old Marine Vet. This is on top of the 5 suppressors I have given away already and we have 6 more this month to giveaway. It's one way I give back to our community, besides the charity shoots I do that are open to the public.

I just received a PM from an admin saying I must pay them or change my screen name. This is in reference to the attention I brought to the 50 BMG giveaway so no forum members missed it.

I already have a paid membership to support this site and actually just paid for another year. But now they say I must have a dealer account which of course, costs much more $. This site has a very bad reputation across the internet and I still gave it a shot. The members here in the NFA section are good to go and I thank you for the conversation over the last year. But I can not do business with a site that extorts a YouTube channel and treats them as a dealer. HKPro and NFATalk pulled the same crap, guess where I no longer visit.

Thanks for your time,
NFA Review Channel

P.S. For those of you that want daily updates and info on the giveaway you can find them on my Facebook page.

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You are advertising your business on their site, right?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 8:59:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:00:45 AM EST

Rules are rules I guess
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:08:43 AM EST
You have a biz, they have a biz. You want to use their biz to advertise your biz, they want compensation.

This is the way of the world, dude. Advertising isn't free.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:18:21 AM EST
You make money off of your YouTube videos. You post links to the videos here, which is what we call "advertising".
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:21:27 AM EST
How come this thread is on here 3 times with fucked up post times? Look at op and first post of this one
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:22:52 AM EST
I see OP's point and I understand ARFCOM's rules.

This will not go as planned.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:23:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 9:24:57 AM EST by Kalahnikid]
Well...

Bye.

eta:
Originally Posted By NFAREVIEW:
This site has a very bad reputation across the internet
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That especially made me laugh. They hate us cuz they anus.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:26:35 AM EST
Sorry OP. The rules are pretty clear on this stuff here.

I like your YouTube stuff but you are wrong on this one.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:26:58 AM EST
Their site, their rules
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:26:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:27:07 AM EST
Fuck, remind me to never post up a lot of you tube vids... oooorrr that could be why the fucking you tube magic link button never fucking works?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:27:07 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:28:04 AM EST
OP was edited by Aimless.

I would assume that is where time stamp issue comes from.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:28:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Gee those meanies wouldn't let you advertise to generate clicks and make money for free? 
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I've heard they use the money they make off of the site to buy Penguin porn!

Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:29:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By disparcher91:
Thats ARFCOM for ya. All about the freedoms you can afford just ask half the members here.

ETA: however if you paint enough graffiti on my wall I will eventually charge you advertising space. So all other things aside I get it.

ETAA: who else knows about us besides the DU? I'll be happy we got any cred at all.
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A lot of other gun forums treat this place like a joke, mostly because our tech forums are more relaxed and allow novices to contribute. Many of the other boards have staff that mod with an iron fist.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:30:40 AM EST
Looks like a pretty clear case of advertising/promotion.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:30:53 AM EST
Bye Felicia.


You want a business that spends money on bandwidth to give you a huge,  free platform to make money?


Stop smoking that shit. Seriously.


Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:32:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 9:35:00 AM EST by evilyoda]
I think its bad form to post a PM.
OP is upset about rules and complains in a fairwell post.

On the subject of fairwell threads are they:

1. Intended to garner sympathy
2. Complain about management
3. Pan handling
4. Looking for support
5. Never turn out as expected.

When I leave a hobbie or message board I just vanish. No fairwell thread.
Never understood the farewell threads.


OP supports the comunity and does good things don't let the good will go to waste.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:33:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Darkhawk:
I see OP's point and I understand ARFCOM's rules.
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Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:33:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:


A lot of other gun forums treat this place like a joke, mostly because our tech forums are more relaxed and allow novices to contribute. Many of the other boards have staff that mod with an iron fist.
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The tech forums are sad, sad, sad.  
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:34:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 9:37:25 AM EST by davisac]
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Originally Posted By disparcher91:
Thats ARFCOM for ya. All about the freedoms you can afford just ask half the members here.

ETA: however if you paint enough graffiti on my wall I will eventually charge you advertising space. So all other things aside I get it.

ETAA: who else knows about us besides the DU? I'll be happy we got any cred at all.
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ummm, I think Arfcom is the largest or second largest gun forum.

EDIT: http://www.alexa.com/topsites/category/Top/Recreation/Guns
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:34:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:
Sorry OP. The rules are pretty clear on this stuff here.

I like your YouTube stuff but you are wrong on this one.
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This
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:35:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By evilyoda:
I think its bad form to post a PM.
OP is upset about rules and complains in a fairwell post.

On the subject of fairwell threads are they:

1. Intended to garner sympathy
2. Complain about management
3. Pan handling
4. Looking for support
5. Never turn out as expected.

When I leave a hobbie or message board I just vanish. No fairwell thread.
Never understood the farewell threads
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Erm...So, it's not.

The dude never actively sold anything over the site, they were all giveaways.

Why should he have to pay when his service is completely at the behest of the community?

Sympathy? Negative - He informed us of a shit situation and actually has support considering what he's done for the community.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:36:05 AM EST
OP has a new subscriber.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:36:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:39:02 AM EST
Is this OP's going away present? Spamming with multiple threads?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:39:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Masked:

Erm...So, it's not.

The dude never actively sold anything over the site, they were all giveaways.

Why should he have to pay when his service is completely at the behest of the community?

Sympathy? Negative - He informed us of a shit situation and actually has support considering what he's done for the community.
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Originally Posted By Masked:
Originally Posted By evilyoda:
I think its bad form to post a PM.
OP is upset about rules and complains in a fairwell post.

On the subject of fairwell threads are they:

1. Intended to garner sympathy
2. Complain about management
3. Pan handling
4. Looking for support
5. Never turn out as expected.

When I leave a hobbie or message board I just vanish. No fairwell thread.
Never understood the farewell threads

Erm...So, it's not.

The dude never actively sold anything over the site, they were all giveaways.

Why should he have to pay when his service is completely at the behest of the community?

Sympathy? Negative - He informed us of a shit situation and actually has support considering what he's done for the community.

He sells his clicks. He comes here to mine them.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:42:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Masked:

Erm...So, it's not.

The dude never actively sold anything over the site, they were all giveaways.

Why should he have to pay when his service is completely at the behest of the community?

Sympathy? Negative - He informed us of a shit situation and actually has support considering what he's done for the community.
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The giveaways are a tactic to drive traffic to his channel. Advertisers then pay him based on the amount of traffic.
He's essentially selling access to his niche user base, which he's using this site to build. Why should arfcom provide that for free?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:43:20 AM EST
How many of these threads did you start, OP?
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:

He sells his clicks. He comes here to mine them.
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
Originally Posted By Masked:
Originally Posted By evilyoda:
I think its bad form to post a PM.
OP is upset about rules and complains in a fairwell post.

On the subject of fairwell threads are they:

1. Intended to garner sympathy
2. Complain about management
3. Pan handling
4. Looking for support
5. Never turn out as expected.

When I leave a hobbie or message board I just vanish. No fairwell thread.
Never understood the farewell threads

Erm...So, it's not.

The dude never actively sold anything over the site, they were all giveaways.

Why should he have to pay when his service is completely at the behest of the community?

Sympathy? Negative - He informed us of a shit situation and actually has support considering what he's done for the community.

He sells his clicks. He comes here to mine them.
Yep. He may not be a "dealer", but he's definitely a business trying to advertise for free.


Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:44:05 AM EST
Well

Bye
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:45:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
Is this OP's going away present? Spamming with multiple threads?
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It's hard to say goodbye.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:46:13 AM EST
We have a bad reputation?

Nice swipe on the way out the door.


I guess you really can't hide class.


Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:46:53 AM EST
"This site has a very bad reputation across the internet"


Bullshit.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:49:15 AM EST
Damn, I almost forgot .....


Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:50:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Xyster7212:



The giveaways are a tactic to drive traffic to his channel. Advertisers then pay him based on the amount of traffic.
He's essentially selling access to his niche user base, which he's using this site to build. Why should arfcom provide that for free?
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You're selling clicks no matter what happens.

If they go to a website, it drives traffic.

Youtube, drives traffic.

Google, drives traffic.

This is 2016, there's nothing that's not hit with advertising.

He was preforming a service for the community and the couple 100 clicks he got from Arfcom didn't change his channel's revenue.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:50:27 AM EST
follow the rules next time 
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:50:34 AM EST
I can see both sides of this, sorry OP but rules is rules. But thanks for trying to give back - unfortunately it's just not the way it works on a platform this massive. I will subscribe to your channel just 'cause now though, because the community as a whole will benefit.

The guys that run Arfcom have to be strict on stuff like this given the size of the platform. I support their decision but also support your channel.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:52:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:54:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Gee those meanies wouldn't let you advertise to generate clicks and make money for free? 
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Seriously. I don't understand why it's hard for some to get it. He played all the heart strings in his post too, the only thing missing was a dead puppy.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:54:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Masked:

You're selling clicks no matter what happens.

If they go to a website, it drives traffic.

Youtube, drives traffic.

Google, drives traffic.

This is 2016, there's nothing that's not hit with advertising.

He was preforming a service for the community and the couple 100 clicks he got from Arfcom didn't change his channel's revenue.
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Yeah, but taking a swipe at the site and our "bad reputation" and posting PMs is particularly classless.

Didn't know who he was before, now I have absolutely no interest in visiting his YouTube or Facebook page.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:56:48 AM EST
Why not just be a regular dude?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:58:05 AM EST
So you knew the rules, broke the rules, then got upset when you were politely asked to follow the rules? 
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:58:43 AM EST
Don't like the rules, then just GTFO.

No need for your whiny ass, attention whoring, woe is me goodbye thread.
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