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Posted: 12/28/2004 5:03:42 PM EDT
Anybody know what the term 5.11 for tactical wear really means and where it comes from?
It seems an odd way to express what people are selling.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:06:04 PM EDT
5.11 is a term used in climbing, Royal Robbins was a climber that branched into making clothing and gear.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:07:15 PM EDT
Just to clarify, you realize that 5.11 is a line of clothing by Royal Robbins, correct? Good stuff too.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:10:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:13:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:13:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:13:56 PM EDT
I'm glad someone asked the question. I've oft wondered what 5.11 meant; I thought it had something to do with police or military jargon...

So if it relates to climbing, can someone explain its meaning?
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:14:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
7.11 was already taken.



Is that the official gear worn by slurpee slingers?
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:15:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
5.11 is a term used in climbing, Royal Robbins was a climber that branched into making clothing and gear.



A lot of what is being sold as "5.11" isn't made by Royal Robbins, or at all climbing oriented. This place 5.11 Gearhas a 5.11 Tactical Reflective Safety Vest for sale. Boots, vests, too.

What did/does the term mean in climbing?
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:16:35 PM EDT
5:11.... Is that an hr after you get high?
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:18:37 PM EDT
5.11 is a very difficult rock climb.


5.6 is an easy climb
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:18:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
5:11.... Is that an hr after you get high?



We used to get stoned at 7:14...

A long time ago.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:19:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
5.11 is a very difficult rock climb.


5.6 is an easy climb



Thanks.

Larry
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:21:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:22:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:27:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
5.11 is a very difficult rock climb.


5.6 is an easy climb




Exactly......it's a rock climbing degree of difficulty.

Bomber


Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:28:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
7.11 was already taken.

As was 311, 411 and 911.



Anyone else read that as "three eleven, four eleven, and nine one one."? How silly.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:35:23 PM EDT
what the hell is 311
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:36:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
5.11 is a term used in climbing, Royal Robbins was a climber that branched into making clothing and gear.



If you look at the little hiker logo, you'll see that the clothing gets it's roots from the outdoor granola scene.

I wonder if the designer is thrilled about a bunch of Cops and Armed commando's sporting his duds? Or like any other liberal, he is more than willing to sell out his beliefs for profit!
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:38:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2004 5:42:08 PM EDT by GUNGUY1911]

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
5.11 is a term used in climbing, Royal Robbins was a climber that branched into making clothing and gear.



If you look at the little hiker logo, you'll see that the clothing gets it's roots from the outdoor granola scene.

I wonder if the designer is thrilled about a bunch of Cops and Armed commando's sporting his duds? Or like any other liberal, he is more than willing to sell out his beliefs for profit!

Kinda funny isn't it!

Originally Posted By Ohio:

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
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A lot of what is being sold as "5.11" isn't made by Royal Robbins, or at all climbing oriented. This place 5.11 Gearhas a 5.11 Tactical Reflective Safety Vest for sale. Boots, vests, too.

What did/does the term mean in climbing?

Royal sold out his interest in the 5.11 name and it is now marketed as tactical clothing rather than climbing gear.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:48:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:50:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Green95LX:
what the hell is 311



it's a banddddd

musicmoz.org/Bands_and_Artists/3/311/
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:53:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 5:59:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
5:11.... Is that an hr after you get high?



Not quite, but close.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 6:02:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2004 6:03:24 PM EDT by markm]

Originally Posted By fixer:

Originally Posted By Green95LX:
what the hell is 311



it's a Fucking Shitty banddddd



FIXED IT!
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 6:14:08 PM EDT
5.0 to 5.4
There are two hand- and two footholds for every move; the holds become progressively smaller as the number increases.

5.5 to 5.6
The two hand- and two footholds are there, obvious to the experienced, but not necessarily so to the beginner.

5.7
The move is missing one hand- or foothold.

5.8
The move is missing two holds of the four, or missing only one but is very strenuous.

5.9
The move has only one reasonable hold which may be for either a foot or a hand.

5.10
No hand- or footholds. The choices are to pretend a hold is there, pray a lot, or go home.

5.11
After thorough inspection you conclude this move is obviously impossible; however, occasionally someone actually accomplishes it. Since there is nothing for a handhold, grab it with both hands.

5.12
The surface is as smooth as glass and vertical. No one has really ever made this move, although a few claim they have.

5.13
This is identical to 5.12 except it is located under overhanging rock.

Ratings are established on lead; the follower has a somewhat easier climb.

Link Posted: 12/28/2004 6:18:27 PM EDT
Thank goodness, I'm glad somebody else here realized that all the uber-tactical 5.11 pants were originally rock-climbing pants.

Royal Robins also wrote some seminal books on rock climbing, in addition to being a pioneer.
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 6:28:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M4:
5.0 to 5.4
There are two hand- and two footholds for every move; the holds become progressively smaller as the number increases.

5.5 to 5.6
The two hand- and two footholds are there, obvious to the experienced, but not necessarily so to the beginner.

5.7
The move is missing one hand- or foothold.

5.8
The move is missing two holds of the four, or missing only one but is very strenuous.

5.9
The move has only one reasonable hold which may be for either a foot or a hand.

5.10
No hand- or footholds. The choices are to pretend a hold is there, pray a lot, or go home.

5.11
After thorough inspection you conclude this move is obviously impossible; however, occasionally someone actually accomplishes it. Since there is nothing for a handhold, grab it with both hands.

5.12
The surface is as smooth as glass and vertical. No one has really ever made this move, although a few claim they have.

5.13
This is identical to 5.12 except it is located under overhanging rock.

Ratings are established on lead; the follower has a somewhat easier climb.



Who wrote that crap?

People have climber 5.14b's

Link Posted: 12/28/2004 6:49:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2004 6:50:42 PM EDT by PinePig]
I think it's a joke, most of the easy 12's I have been on have prety good sized holds, you just happen to be climbing on the roof the whole time.

It's been a while since I climbed but I think Chris Sharma and a couple of others have pushed it into the 5.15 range.

Charlie
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 8:50:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PinePig:
I think it's a joke, most of the easy 12's I have been on have prety good sized holds, you just happen to be climbing on the roof the whole time.

It's been a while since I climbed but I think Chris Sharma and a couple of others have pushed it into the 5.15 range.

Charlie




Last I heard people were grading things 5.14d .. have they named something a .15 yet???

(although after a certain point it [the minutae] just becomes slightly absurd)
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 9:23:10 PM EDT
Back in the old days, when Robbins was a climber, the hardest grade given to a climb was 5.10. It was a closed scale. So, 5.11 was kinda like Nigel's amp...better than everything else.

Now, 5.11 is pretty mellow by most standards. As climber's started to really get better, the scale needed to be opened and currently it tops out at about 5.15a or b. The letters refer to finer gradients in difficulty that are used on the 'higher' end routes (starting at 5.10) and go a, b, c, d and then the next number. The whole thing is pretty subjective and frustrating to alot of people; it's hard to attach a single number to a climb that covers alot of different types of moves and angles.

Currently, the 'hardest' routes are graded 5.15. There are a few touted to be this grade, but 'Realization' established by Chris Sharma is currently laying some heavy smackdown on the rest of the world. This route took Chris a coupla seasons to complete and had been bitchslapping top climbers for about 8yrs before it was done. Also, Fred Rhouling's (FRA) route 'Akira' hasn't been done again despite much initial criticism and doubt of it's difficulty.


Chris Sharma on 'Realization'

This route is over 150' long and overhangs by about 30-40' in that height.

Link Posted: 12/28/2004 9:35:20 PM EDT
Yup Class 4 is hiking and class 5 is climbing. For Ice climbing it is WI 1-6 IIRC
Link Posted: 12/28/2004 9:36:32 PM EDT
I went to private school (yes I am fucked up and require counseling) in the town where Royal Robbins set up shop. they were a very quick bike ride away and I used to buy pants and shirts from them. They had awesome khaki's and button down shirts. At the time the place was the size of the 7-11's some of you have mentioned! You can imagine my surprise 20 years later at the 5.11 phenom!
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