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Posted: 6/4/2009 6:30:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/12/2009 7:29:03 PM EST by Paulie771]
That's right folks, Tennessee has officially passed, both in the House (87-1-2) and the Senate (22-7-1), the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act, which is a carbon copy of Montana's bill. View here for life cycle and updates, as well as bill language.

It's was signed by the Speaker of the House today and will now go to the Gov. for consideration. With the vote tally we have, and the fact TN requires only a simple majority to override, I would hope that Bredesen actually signs this bill into law.

The Senate is going to override his veto on restaurant carry today and make it legal immediately. We also have carry in state and local parks for the Gov. to consider. LOTS of good shit going on in our Legislature right now.

ETA: sorry, it has to be signed by the S. Speaker, then it's on to Bredesen. I got ahead of myself.

ETA2: It's been signed by the Senate speaker. It should be sent to the Gov. today or tomorrow, then he has 10 days to do his thing...
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:33:50 AM EST
Good stuff...good stuff!
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:34:09 AM EST
Good news!
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:36:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
That's right folks, Tennessee has officially passed, both in the House (87-1-2) and the Senate (22-7-1), the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act, which is a carbon copy of Montana's bill. View here for life cycle and updates, as well as bill language.

It's was signed by the Speaker of the House today and will now go to the Gov. for consideration. With the vote tally we have, and the fact TN requires only a simple majority to override, I would hope that Bredesen actually signs this bill into law.

The Senate is going to override his veto on restaurant carry today and make it legal immediately. We also have carry in state and local parks for the Gov. to consider. LOTS of good shit going on in our Legislature right now.


What is the tennessee firearms freedom act? First i've heard of it.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:37:10 AM EST
He'll veto it just like he did with the bill that would allow carry into establishments that serve alcohol for consumption on premise .
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:37:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:39:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By PSSMAN308:
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
That's right folks, Tennessee has officially passed, both in the House (87-1-2) and the Senate (22-7-1), the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act, which is a carbon copy of Montana's bill. View here for life cycle and updates, as well as bill language.

It's was signed by the Speaker of the House today and will now go to the Gov. for consideration. With the vote tally we have, and the fact TN requires only a simple majority to override, I would hope that Bredesen actually signs this bill into law.

The Senate is going to override his veto on restaurant carry today and make it legal immediately. We also have carry in state and local parks for the Gov. to consider. LOTS of good shit going on in our Legislature right now.


What is the tennessee firearms freedom act? First i've heard of it.



This is the bill, like Montana's, that says if a weapon or ammo is made in TN, has it written on the side (Engraved "Made in TN"), and doesn't leave TN, it's not open to Federal jurisdiction via the Interstate Commerce Clause. Basically tells the Feds to fuck off inside TN.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:39:22 AM EST
Let's see....

About a 2 hour commute from Tenn to my work in NC.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:39:26 AM EST
Hopefully KY will do the same thing. Good for you TN people!

-X
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:39:28 AM EST
Sometimes I do enjoy living in TN.... this is one of those times :)
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:40:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By xinflt:
He'll veto it just like he did with the bill that would allow carry into establishments that serve alcohol for consumption on premise .


Maybe so, but we have a huge majority in both houses, so I'd hope we'd override it too just like we did in the House yesterday and the Senate shortly today on Restaurant Carry (which will be law and in effect by the end of the day).

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:43:01 AM EST
Where are you getting the carry in resturant info? Anyone openly carry?
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:46:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By PSSMAN308:
Where are you getting the carry in resturant info? Anyone openly carry?


Here is the life cycle and language of the bill itself. It's also on a lot of news sites in Nashville. WSMV for one

that what you were asking for?

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:49:00 AM EST
yea thanks. Now if we could get some damn jobs in this state.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:49:07 AM EST
tight
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:50:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2009 6:50:39 AM EST by Paulie771]
How do you double post this late? Damn comcast's lagging ass.....
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:52:57 AM EST
Word of the day: BARRETT!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:53:54 AM EST
Check out the hometown forums... apparently someone got an email from the NRA stating the bill will not go in effect until 40 days from now....
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:57:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By wpsharpshooter:
Check out the hometown forums... apparently someone got an email from the NRA stating the bill will not go in effect until 40 days from now....


From the TN HT Thread mentioned above:

Senate Amendment #1:

SECTION 2. This act shall take effect on June 1, 2009, the public welfare requiring it.

I know the legislature is the one saying it, but that's the bill's language.


Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:02:25 AM EST
Great news ...

Don't confuse what I'm getting ready to say (I know it wasn't the only issue) ...

... One war has already been fought and lost over "States Rights."

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:03:32 AM EST
I wish other states would have gotten on board with this.


Texas i'm looking at you.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:05:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By xinflt:
He'll veto it just like he did with the bill that would allow carry into establishments that serve alcohol for consumption on premise .


Maybe so, but we have a huge majority in both houses, so I'd hope we'd override it too just like we did in the House yesterday and the Senate shortly today on Restaurant Carry (which will be law and in effect by the end of the day).



AYE!

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:06:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By isa268:
I wish other states would have gotten on board with this.


Texas i'm looking at you.


I thought Tx has a similiar bill pending?

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:06:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2009 7:07:33 AM EST by david_g17]
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Word of the day: BARRETT!!!!!!!!!!


yep, home of...



Headquartered in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Barrett Firearms Manufacturing is the world's leader in large-caliber rifle design and manufacturing. Well-known for .50 caliber rifles, the company now produces rifles in .416 Barrett and 6.8 SPC calibers and is a growing innovator in the design and production of optics for long-range shooters.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:09:17 AM EST
How about some "Made in TN" ARs? How would that apply to SBRs? No Federal Paperwork?
Hessian-1
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:09:42 AM EST
Don't forget Sabre Defense, maker of some of the best ARs on the market. Made in Nashville, about .5 from my work.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:12:12 AM EST
SUMMARY OF BILL: Defines the terms “firearm accessory”, “generic
and insignificant parts” and “manufactured” for the purpose of declaring such
items exempt from regulation under the commerce clause of the United States
Constitution. Exempts any firearm or ammunition that is manufactured in
Tennessee and retained within Tennessee from regulation under the commerce
clause of the United States Constitution.
ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT:
State Expenditures – Net Impact – Not Significant
Assumptions:
• “Firearm accessories” means items that are used in conjunction with or
mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a
firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights,
magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks
and grips, speed loaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target
illumination.
• “Generic and insignificant parts” includes but is not limited to springs,
screws, nuts, and pins.
• “Manufactured” means creating a firearm, a firearm accessory, or
ammunition from basic materials for functional usefulness, including
but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for
working materials.
• Based on information provided by the Department of Safety, any change
to state expenditures as a result of this bill is considered not significant.
SB 1610
CERTIFICATION:
This is to duly certify that the information contained herein is true and
correct to the best of my knowledge.


Does this mean that no more form 1's will be needed?
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:13:03 AM EST
SUMMARY OF BILL: Defines the terms “firearm accessory”, “generic
and insignificant parts” and “manufactured” for the purpose of declaring such
items exempt from regulation under the commerce clause of the United States
Constitution. Exempts any firearm or ammunition that is manufactured in
Tennessee and retained within Tennessee from regulation under the commerce
clause of the United States Constitution.
ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT:
State Expenditures – Net Impact – Not Significant
Assumptions:
• “Firearm accessories” means items that are used in conjunction with or
mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a
firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights,
magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks
and grips, speed loaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target
illumination.
• “Generic and insignificant parts” includes but is not limited to springs,
screws, nuts, and pins.
• “Manufactured” means creating a firearm, a firearm accessory, or
ammunition from basic materials for functional usefulness, including
but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for
working materials.
• Based on information provided by the Department of Safety, any change
to state expenditures as a result of this bill is considered not significant.
SB 1610
CERTIFICATION:
This is to duly certify that the information contained herein is true and
correct to the best of my knowledge.


Does this mean that no more form 1's will be needed?
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:19:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By ddrongowski:
SUMMARY OF BILL: Defines the terms “firearm accessory”, “generic
and insignificant parts” and “manufactured” for the purpose of declaring such
items exempt from regulation under the commerce clause of the United States
Constitution. Exempts any firearm or ammunition that is manufactured in
Tennessee and retained within Tennessee from regulation under the commerce
clause of the United States Constitution.
ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT:
State Expenditures – Net Impact – Not Significant
Assumptions:
• “Firearm accessories” means items that are used in conjunction with or
mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a
firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights,
magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks
and grips, speed loaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target
illumination.
• “Generic and insignificant parts” includes but is not limited to springs,
screws, nuts, and pins.
• “Manufactured” means creating a firearm, a firearm accessory, or
ammunition from basic materials for functional usefulness, including
but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for
working materials.
• Based on information provided by the Department of Safety, any change
to state expenditures as a result of this bill is considered not significant.
SB 1610
CERTIFICATION:
This is to duly certify that the information contained herein is true and
correct to the best of my knowledge.


Does this mean that no more form 1's will be needed?



Whoa......

Cool!



Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:27:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2009 7:31:32 AM EST by PSSMAN308]
Guns n bars becomes law july 14th
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:29:07 AM EST
DO NOT CARRY IN THE BARS UNTIL AFTER THE 14th OF JULY
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:29:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2009 7:30:35 AM EST by Paulie771]
Sweet, just saw it in the HT forum. Excellent news!
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:31:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Sweet, just saw it in the HT forum. Excellent news!


Over ridden sorry. Channel 8 news knoxville
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:31:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2009 7:31:56 AM EST by arowneragain]
nevermind....woohoo!

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 7:48:55 AM EST
It's just missing one thing....full auto.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 8:04:09 AM EST
Congratulations to TN!
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 8:07:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 8:12:52 AM EST
We owe a big thanks to Robin Smith, who just stepped down as TN's GOP Chairman.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 8:15:46 AM EST
Come on INDIANA you can DO IT
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 8:58:22 AM EST
So let me make sure I understand what the TN Firearms Freedom Act does and does not do.....

We still cannot legally buy or manufacture ourselves a SBR, full-auto, suppressor, destructive device, etc. even if it is made in Tennessee, unless
we follow the current NFA laws and get forms approved by ATF. Nothing changed there, but.....

this new law will protect Tennessee gun owners in the event of a new federal assault weapons ban.

If a new Federal AWB is made into law in the future, as Tennesseeans, if we made a new semi automatic assault rifle or purchased one from Sabre Defence after the date the federal ban goes into effect, and it never leaves the state of Tennessee, it would be legal for us to own and possess or manufacture ourselves as long as it says MADE IN TENNESSEE on it and the feds couldn't do squat about it.

Another example would be if the Federal government banned .50 BMG rifles, as long as we bought one from Barrett and never left the state with it, then that too would be legal.

Is that correct?




Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:11:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:15:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
So let me make sure I understand what the TN Firearms Freedom Act does and does not do.....

We still cannot legally buy or manufacture ourselves a SBR, full-auto, suppressor, destructive device, etc. even if it is made in Tennessee, unless
we follow the current NFA laws and get forms approved by ATF. Nothing changed there, but.....

this new law will protect Tennessee gun owners in the event of a new federal assault weapons ban.

If a new Federal AWB is made into law in the future, as Tennesseeans, if we made a new semi automatic assault rifle or purchased one from Sabre Defence after the date the federal ban goes into effect, and it never leaves the state of Tennessee, it would be legal for us to own and possess or manufacture ourselves as long as it says MADE IN TENNESSEE on it and the feds couldn't do squat about it.

Another example would be if the Federal government banned .50 BMG rifles, as long as we bought one from Barrett and never left the state with it, then that too would be legal.

Is that correct?



Well that would be the intention, but unfortunately, we would likely have to have a test case to see how effective it is, and how determined the feds are to maintain their control - control being the operative word in the phrase "gun control", ya know?
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:18:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/4/2009 9:19:00 AM EST by triburst1]
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:21:53 AM EST
Yay! No more polls about it.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:23:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
So let me make sure I understand what the TN Firearms Freedom Act does and does not do.....

...


It won't actually do anything, because unfortunately there is plenty of precedent for the Commerce Clause logic to violently ass-rape this law and completely invalidate it.

Unless all the components are made in-state, the firearms will be subject to federal law. Is the aluminum and iron/steel mined and manufactured somewhere other than TN? Is any part, no matter how small, originating in another state? Will any of these hypothetical firearms ever leave the state? Will the availability of these hypothetical firearms affect prices of firearms in neighboring states?

If any of those conditions are met (and probably others), then the door is open for the Commerce Clause abuse that Congress relies on so much to enforece federal law on states.


My opinion has been that issue will be the fed's direction of attack.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:32:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By PBIR:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
So let me make sure I understand what the TN Firearms Freedom Act does and does not do.....

...


It won't actually do anything, because unfortunately there is plenty of precedent for the Commerce Clause logic to violently ass-rape this law and completely invalidate it.

Unless all the components are made in-state, the firearms will be subject to federal law. Is the aluminum and iron/steel mined and manufactured somewhere other than TN? Is any part, no matter how small, originating in another state? Will any of these hypothetical firearms ever leave the state? Will the availability of these hypothetical firearms affect prices of firearms in neighboring states?

If any of those conditions are met (and probably others), then the door is open for the Commerce Clause abuse that Congress relies on so much to enforece federal law on states.


My opinion has been that issue will be the fed's direction of attack.


+1. I don't think this is as hollow a law as some make it out, but I do think the Feds will act as if nothing has changed. It will require some local LEO stepping up and using this against the Feds in some manner and push it to the SCOTUS.

Like I've said before, it not much, but it's a start...

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:34:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By ddrongowski:
SUMMARY OF BILL: Defines the terms “firearm accessory”, “generic
and insignificant parts” and “manufactured” for the purpose of declaring such
items exempt from regulation under the commerce clause of the United States
Constitution. Exempts any firearm or ammunition that is manufactured in
Tennessee and retained within Tennessee from regulation under the commerce
clause of the United States Constitution.
ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT:
State Expenditures – Net Impact – Not Significant
Assumptions:
• “Firearm accessories” means items that are used in conjunction with or
mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a
firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights,
magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks
and grips, speed loaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target
illumination.
• “Generic and insignificant parts” includes but is not limited to springs,
screws, nuts, and pins.
• “Manufactured” means creating a firearm, a firearm accessory, or
ammunition from basic materials for functional usefulness, including
but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for
working materials.
• Based on information provided by the Department of Safety, any change
to state expenditures as a result of this bill is considered not significant.
SB 1610
CERTIFICATION:
This is to duly certify that the information contained herein is true and
correct to the best of my knowledge.


Does this mean that no more form 1's will be needed?


Funny...that verbage is essentially identical to the bill that the TX legislature was considering.

So who is behind the scenes pushing these?
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:41:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:41:10 AM EST
Give 'em Hell, Tennessee!
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:42:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
So let me make sure I understand what the TN Firearms Freedom Act does and does not do.....

We still cannot legally buy or manufacture ourselves a SBR, full-auto, suppressor, destructive device, etc. even if it is made in Tennessee, unless
we follow the current NFA laws and get forms approved by ATF. Nothing changed there, but.....

this new law will protect Tennessee gun owners in the event of a new federal assault weapons ban.

If a new Federal AWB is made into law in the future, as Tennesseeans, if we made a new semi automatic assault rifle or purchased one from Sabre Defence after the date the federal ban goes into effect, and it never leaves the state of Tennessee, it would be legal for us to own and possess or manufacture ourselves as long as it says MADE IN TENNESSEE on it and the feds couldn't do squat about it.

Another example would be if the Federal government banned .50 BMG rifles, as long as we bought one from Barrett and never left the state with it, then that too would be legal.

Is that correct?






As far as sound suppressors go check out my post above.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 9:45:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By wpsharpshooter:
DO NOT CARRY IN THE BARS UNTIL AFTER THE 14th OF JULY


Tennessee doesn't have any bars.........Look it up.
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