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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:25:34 PM EDT
Any info on this revolver?
Found this pic in this thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1734550_The_Vietnam_War___50_years_ago___Some_pictures.html |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:37:26 PM EDT
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IIRC, these were specially modified S&W Model 29s. They had issues; they were closely fitted to eliminate the cylinder gap, and due to this cylinder drag would freeze the gun up after 5-6 shots. I don't believe they were used much outside of testing; the average tunnel rat had an M1911, a knife, and a flashlight.
The VC did make at least some limited use of suppressed Nagant revolvers; there's a captured one in the CIA museum. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:40:22 PM EDT
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The gun in the picture isn't a model 29; it has fixed sights and an exposed ejector and a lanyard loop, making it either an M & P .38 (i.e., model 10) or a Model 1917.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:41:39 PM EDT
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I know I am probably wrong but my first thoughts were it was a 1895 nagant pistol
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:43:48 PM EDT
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The gun in the picture isn't a model 29; it has fixed sights and an exposed ejector and a lanyard loop, making it either an M & P .38 (i.e., model 10) or a Model 1917. Hmm, you're right. It's probably a modified Victory Revolver in .38SPL (aka an M&P). |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:52:15 PM EDT
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That actually looks like it might be a captured suppressed Nagant 1895 like someone mentioned above.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:55:24 PM EDT
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That actually looks like it might be a captured suppressed Nagant 1895 like someone mentioned above. It's not. The Nagant has a large rod under the barrel to eject the empty cases, as the Nagant has a fixed cylinder and is loaded through a loading gate. The revolver in the picture definitely doesn't have the ejector rod. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:58:30 PM EDT
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It's not. The Nagant has a large rod under the barrel to eject the empty cases, as the Nagant has a fixed cylinder and is loaded through a loading gate. The revolver in the picture definitely doesn't have the ejector rod. <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That actually looks like it might be a captured suppressed Nagant 1895 like someone mentioned above. It's not. The Nagant has a large rod under the barrel to eject the empty cases, as the Nagant has a fixed cylinder and is loaded through a loading gate. The revolver in the picture definitely doesn't have the ejector rod. <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg</a> Looks like it does to me ? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:59:19 PM EDT
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That actually looks like it might be a captured suppressed Nagant 1895 like someone mentioned above. It's not. The Nagant has a large rod under the barrel to eject the empty cases, as the Nagant has a fixed cylinder and is loaded through a loading gate. The revolver in the picture definitely doesn't have the ejector rod. <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg</a> Looks like it does to me ? Me too.... that and the lanyard loop are what led me to think it might be a Nagant. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:05:54 PM EDT
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I'm not seeing anything like the Nagant's ejector rod there. Also, the front of the frame is off; the revolver in the picture has a completely square front, where the front of the Nagant's frame curves back after the ejector rod.
It looks pretty much exactly like a .38SPL Victory to me. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:17:34 PM EDT
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I right clicked on the picture, hit view picture, and zoomed in. Looks a lot more like a S&W to me, the square of the frame, the curve of the trigger guard. Unless the nagant has a different version with more S&W like features of the frame and trigger guard. Hard to be definitive.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:20:10 PM EDT
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:21:40 PM EDT
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I right clicked on the picture, hit view picture, and zoomed in. Looks a lot more like a S&W to me, the square of the frame, the curve of the trigger guard. Unless the nagant has a different version with more S&W like features of the frame and trigger guard. Hard to be definitive. You're right. Looking at it bigger, it does look like a Smith. Field-expedient "not quite as fucking loud" tunnel gun maybe.... |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:22:28 PM EDT
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I couldn't imagine shooting anything inside a small tunnel like that.
Your ears must be ringing permanently after that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:25:42 PM EDT
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There were also suppressed cartridges.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:04:13 PM EDT
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I found this one on another forums.
They said it was used for "Quiet Special Purpose Revolver for use in tunnel warfare." 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:08:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Any info on this revolver? http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2015/03/the-vietnam-war-part-i-early-years/v41_AP670121059/main_1500.jpg Found this pic in this thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1734550_The_Vietnam_War___50_years_ago___Some_pictures.html |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:08:33 PM EDT
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I found this one on another forums. They said it was used for "Quiet Special Purpose Revolver for use in tunnel warfare." http://www.fototime.com/735955583656D1D/orig.jpg This one was cool. the ammo was silent. It fired several pellets or disks propelled by a piston over the propellent in the case. There was no sound because the gases were trapped in the brass.The mil experimented with silent rifle rounds too. I still think if someone could bring it to market it might get past supressor laws. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:39:11 PM EDT
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You're right. Looking at it bigger, it does look like a Smith. Field-expedient "not quite as fucking loud" tunnel gun maybe.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I right clicked on the picture, hit view picture, and zoomed in. Looks a lot more like a S&W to me, the square of the frame, the curve of the trigger guard. Unless the nagant has a different version with more S&W like features of the frame and trigger guard. Hard to be definitive. You're right. Looking at it bigger, it does look like a Smith. Field-expedient "not quite as fucking loud" tunnel gun maybe.... Or a flash hider, one would think preserving night vision would be critical to a Tunnel Rat. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:42:42 PM EDT
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman. SW Combat Masterpiece? J-Frame? Looks like its got a lanyard loop on it.. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:46:47 PM EDT
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman. SW Combat Masterpiece? J-Frame? No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:49:33 PM EDT
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Tunnel Rats had BIG BALLS !!!
No way you'd ever get me inside one of those holes. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:49:39 PM EDT
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No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman. SW Combat Masterpiece? J-Frame? No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. Yeah I know..hooch poppers. OP is what I was referring to though. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:51:10 PM EDT
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Oh, sorry!
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Posted: 4/1/2015 3:53:06 PM EDT
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Oh, sorry! Naw, my bad!! 
Saw the article too.  .
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Posted: 4/1/2015 4:19:56 PM EDT
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No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman. SW Combat Masterpiece? J-Frame? No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. V40s? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 4:23:06 PM EDT
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman. SW Combat Masterpiece? J-Frame? No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. V40s? Don't remember--but the term used above--"hooch poppers"--brings up a pic. Very cool little dudes. I can imagine dozens of uses for them. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 4:24:11 PM EDT
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Don't remember--but the term used above--"hooch poppers"--brings up a pic. Very cool little dudes. I can imagine dozens of uses for them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman. SW Combat Masterpiece? J-Frame? No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. V40s? Don't remember--but the term used above--"hooch poppers"--brings up a pic. Very cool little dudes. I can imagine dozens of uses for them. Yup. "Known as the "Hooch Popper", the V40 featured a 4 second fuze and had an effective casualty radius of 5 meters." edit - I'd love to find a demilled one, but they don't seem to exist. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:39:14 PM EDT
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Tunnel Rats had BIG BALLS !!! No way you'd ever get me inside one of those holes. That's the truth for me as well. Most of the photos you see shows them with the little weak assed right angle flashlight . The ones you have to shake around to get the lame switch to flash weakly on. Little tunnel built for folks 2/3 the size of you , filled with bobby traps , waiting to see your flashlight before they open up on you . dammed if you have a light , dammed if you don't . I would work them as best as I could with gas , grenades and explosives from the top and to hell with going in. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:46:31 PM EDT
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Me too.... that and the lanyard loop are what led me to think it might be a Nagant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That actually looks like it might be a captured suppressed Nagant 1895 like someone mentioned above. It's not. The Nagant has a large rod under the barrel to eject the empty cases, as the Nagant has a fixed cylinder and is loaded through a loading gate. The revolver in the picture definitely doesn't have the ejector rod. <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/revolvers.jpg</a> Looks like it does to me ? Me too.... that and the lanyard loop are what led me to think it might be a Nagant. If you look at where the yolk attaches to the frame, it looks like a Smith revolver to me. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 6:13:13 PM EDT
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You're right. Looking at it bigger, it does look like a Smith. Field-expedient "not quite as fucking loud" tunnel gun maybe.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I right clicked on the picture, hit view picture, and zoomed in. Looks a lot more like a S&W to me, the square of the frame, the curve of the trigger guard. Unless the nagant has a different version with more S&W like features of the frame and trigger guard. Hard to be definitive. You're right. Looking at it bigger, it does look like a Smith. Field-expedient "not quite as fucking loud" tunnel gun maybe.... My thoughts as well. It doesn't look like a silencer so much as it looks like a flash hider / flash director to keep from blinding the tunnel rat when he fired off a round. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 6:58:47 PM EDT
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Of course the S & W M&P Model 10 was the standard sidearm issue to Helicopter pilots even in '72 when I was there. They were very plentiful and common. That's what it looks like to me. Silencers weren't that hard to find either. Vietnamese were very crafty and capable of making almost anything for a few bucks!
BTW, I ditched my. 38 and went to a 1911 .45 cal. sidearm. Much easier to reload and carry extra ammo for it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 7:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know I am probably wrong but my first thoughts were it was a 1895 nagant pistol It sure looks like one. It's the one revolver that would make sense to suppress. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 7:38:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course the S & W M&P Model 10 was the standard sidearm issue to Helicopter pilots even in '72 when I was there. They were very plentiful and common. That's what it looks like to me. Silencers weren't that hard to find either. Vietnamese were very crafty and capable of making almost anything for a few bucks! BTW, I ditched my. 38 and went to a 1911 .45 cal. sidearm. Much easier to reload and carry extra ammo for it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 7:42:49 PM EDT
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Tunnel Rats had BIG BALLS !!! No way you'd ever get me inside one of those holes. Yeah, no shit. The tunnel itself sucked. Add that to the shit that went down fighting in them, and good God. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 7:52:17 PM EDT
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I was fascinated by those mini gernades pictured in this month's American Rifleman. SW Combat Masterpiece? J-Frame? No--real gernades. Little bitty bastards, appeared to be the size of a ping pong ball. Cool as hell. It was in an article of obscure and special weapons for MACV-SOG. V40s? 
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