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Posted: 8/31/2001 11:51:55 AM EDT
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Well a 10/22 and a 38 would qualify as a "stockpile" in PRK, better watch out! |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 11:56:01 AM EDT
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Thank goodness I only [b]collect[/b]. Multiple specimens of the same item are still collecting, it's just a bit eclectic. [:D]
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Posted: 8/31/2001 11:57:55 AM EDT
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what constitutes a "stockpile" anyways?
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:03:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: what constitutes a "stockpile" anyways? Yeah, good question. I have a feeling that we both know the answer as far as the media is concerned! And we both probably fit their stupid mold as "Stockpilers". How silly. So my kids are stockpiling Pokemon cards I guess huh? When will the media let go of this shit? It has nothing to do with the firearm. The damn anti's want to demonize the gun. There has never in the history of firearms been an GUN ACCIDENT. There has been plenty of gun negligence. But never, ever has a gun loaded itself, then pointed itself at a human being and shot. It taks a human to intervene. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:06:58 PM EDT
[#5]
Oh men! I'm in deep @#$%!!! I have a huge collection of firearms. Does that make me a criminal??
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:07:53 PM EDT
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I knew I had brought my wife over to the dark side one night when we were watching the TV news and they reported something about a guy holed up with a couple of guns and "more than a hundred rounds of ammunition."
She turned to me and rolled her eyes, "A hundred rounds? That's all?" [sniff].....it warmed my frickin' heart, man. I'm tellin' ya....[sniff] Freedom isn't free Semper Fidelis Jarhead out. [img]http://www.inetnow.net/~kudzukid/enlemblem.gif[/img] |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:10:27 PM EDT
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Seems like everything here in PRK is a crime.
I love the location, but I hate the laws here. I've lived here most of my life but I guess I'll have to move out of PRK someday. Larry |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:11:32 PM EDT
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The only thing I got two of is my Ak-47s. I just got one of everything else. That's not a stockpile is it.
Where do I get a collectors license for ammo??? :) |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:22:59 PM EDT
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Randy Weaver was tried here in Boise and I drove across town and paid $.50 per page for the indicment. His most wicked weapon was a mini-14. He had a few bolt guns and a Daisy AiR-17 (it was shown in the news footage but not mentioned in the list). It was then at the age of 17 I realized that the standard collection of .22 rifle, shotgun, deer rifle and carry pistol X the number of men in the house was more than enough to convince the average sucker (soccer east of the Mississipppi) mom that a warmonger was justly arrested. Damn the mush heads that believe the media. Planerench out.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:24:33 PM EDT
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Jesus Christ! I didn't take this serious, but I just heard on the national news that there is a "conflagration" going on at the man's home. They said a deputy sheriff was "fatally wounded" by the man attempting to serve a warrant for "various weapons charges." They said his home is engulfed in flames and "local firefighters are currently pouring water on neighboring homes attempting to save them." Further, "There is no word on the fate of the man, who was alledgedly stockpiling weapons and ammunition." So, as an avid reloader and shooter, I guess I could be next, especially if I lived in Kali. On the surface this sounds like a declaration of war against the American shooting public. I'm anxious to see how it is spun. Collect guns = burned alive. GRRRRR!!!
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:49:39 PM EDT
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The person in question was allegedly impersonating a US Marshal/LEO of some sort. There's a story on it over on the Fox News website.
Stockpile!?!? I'll bet half the serious contributors to this board have a bigger "stockpile" than this guy. [b]Jarhead_22:[/b] Congratulations man! I'd love for my GF to have the same response. [:)] |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:51:42 PM EDT
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Watch out Imbroglio, two bricks of .22lr means you will have a cache of ammunition. You better only keep a small box of cb caps locked in strong box kept in your safe.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:55:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm anxious to see how it is spun. Collect guns = burned alive. GRRRRR!!! It just was. 1) Impersonate a LEO - accusation, not charged or convicted. 2) Judge finds there is PC for a search warrant of the suspects home. 3) SO and ATF attempt to serve lawful warrant 4) Warrants ARE mentioned in the US Constitution. 5) Subject shoots, kills Deputy. 6) Subject shoots, wounds ATF agent. 7) Subject fires off multiple rounds, that miss, including at News helicopters. 8) Subjects house catches on fire. If HE decides to stay in a burning house, the HE is responsible for HIS actions. When he ressisteda warrant service his actions were clearly against the lawful, Constitutional actions of the governmemt of the US and the State of California. Anyone else remember something about a Gov't of the people, by the people, for the people?? HE decided that HE was more important the the rules of society. HE is responsible for his choices. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 12:59:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm anxious to see how it is spun. Collect guns = burned alive. GRRRRR!!! It just was. 1) Impersonate a LEO - accusation, not charged or convicted. 2) Judge finds there is PC for a search warrant of the suspects home. 3) SO and ATF attempt to serve lawful warrant 4) Warrants ARE mentioned in the US Constitution. 5) Subject shoots, kills Deputy. 6) Subject shoots, wounds ATF agent. 7) Subject fires off multiple rounds, that miss, including at News helicopters. 8) Subjects house catches on fire. If HE decides to stay in a burning house, the HE is responsible for HIS actions. When he ressisteda warrant service his actions were clearly against the lawful, Constitutional actions of the governmemt of the US and the State of California. Anyone else remember something about a Gov't of the people, by the people, for the people?? HE decided that HE was more important the the rules of society. HE is responsible for his choices. AMEN |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:00:25 PM EDT
[#15]
I guess the government is becoming much more "efficient." The whole sordid mess is easier to manage if you burn the citizens out the same day rather than waiting 51 days. [:(!]
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:05:56 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted: I guess the government is becoming much more "efficient." The whole sordid mess is easier to manage if you burn the citizens out the same day rather than waiting 51 days. [:(!] Who started the fire?? What is your PROOF of the identity of the fire starter?? |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:10:28 PM EDT
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If you have ONE of everything, is that considered "stockpiling"?............[dracula]
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:11:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm anxious to see how it is spun. Collect guns = burned alive. GRRRRR!!! It just was. 1) Impersonate a LEO - accusation, not charged or convicted. 2) Judge finds there is PC for a search warrant of the suspects home. 3) SO and ATF attempt to serve lawful warrant 4) Warrants ARE mentioned in the US Constitution. 5) Subject shoots, kills Deputy. 6) Subject shoots, wounds ATF agent. 7) Subject fires off multiple rounds, that miss, including at News helicopters. 8) Subjects house catches on fire. If HE decides to stay in a burning house, the HE is responsible for HIS actions. When he ressisteda warrant service his actions were clearly against the lawful, Constitutional actions of the governmemt of the US and the State of California. Anyone else remember something about a Gov't of the people, by the people, for the people?? HE decided that HE was more important the the rules of society. HE is responsible for his choices. Look, I understand your point, but I am actually fascinated by the response this incident is engendering. People are automatically assuming that the shooter was a "freedom fighter" for attacking the JBTs, rather than some nut-case (which he might well have been). And the amazing thing is that we're seeing this reaction in some people who are not gun owners! Perhaps this means the public is finally beginning to develop a healthy distrust of government and its officials! We're even beginning to seriously mistrust our "news" outlets! Halleluja! Perhaps there's hope after all. Maybe we CAN prevent armed revolt by convincing enough people that the government CAN'T be trusted, and [i]must[/i] be watched like a hawk lest it wrest our rights from us without a whimper. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:14:13 PM EDT
[#19]
HE was an ARCADIA POLICE OFFICER and deserves the support of all law enforcement.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:21:55 PM EDT
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I believe there is a difference between one person "standing up" against whatever, and what the Patriots did. 1 person "standing up" often is nothing more than 1 guy thinking he doesn't have to live by societies rules, because he is better or whatever.
The Patriots felt that as English citizens they were being discriminated against compared to English citizens in Britian. They had representatives in England that did not represent them, which is unfair. The tried to resolve their differnces lawfully and were not even heard. Many Patriots were "big men" in Colonial America. George Washington was a Colonel during the French and Indian wars. Others held posts in colonial government. That is much different than what we have here. I never said I had any trust for the ATF. But distrusting and organization and killing someone are 2 different things. We have a representative government, to distrust it is to partially distrust ourselves. Part of the problem is that people don't have enough acces to their government, that fosters mistrust both ways, and that is very bad. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:40:17 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: HE was an ARCADIA POLICE OFFICER and deserves the support of all law enforcement. Imbrog has a good point. Here is a guy that isn't your normal "redneck, psychopathic conpiracy theorist". He was an upper class, middle aged POLICE OFFICER. Maybe the sheeple will learn something from this. A man well set in his american dream sacrificed everything for his rights (so I'm assuming). WHAT A DAMN GOOD START! Either that, or a step closer to the end.... |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:43:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: Stockpile!?!? I'll bet half the serious contributors to this board have a bigger "stockpile" than this guy. (More than one, of course) You won't get any bet from me. I [b]know[/b] that most of us own more than whatever melted "full auto" assault props the ATF comes up with this time. [i]BTW, anyone know the BATF's phone number? I know someone who has a 10/22 [b]AND[/b] a .38! (There is still a reward for good little nazis, right?)[/i] |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 1:48:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: what constitutes a "stockpile" anyways? If you're ever in the neighborhood, drop by and I'll show you. [:D] |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:24:56 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted: Quoted: I guess the government is becoming much more "efficient." The whole sordid mess is easier to manage if you burn the citizens out the same day rather than waiting 51 days. [:(!] Who started the fire?? What is your PROOF of the identity of the fire starter?? |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:28:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: I believe there is a difference between one person "standing up" against whatever, and what the Patriots did. 1 person "standing up" often is nothing more than 1 guy thinking he doesn't have to live by societies rules, because he is better or whatever. The Patriots felt that as English citizens they were being discriminated against compared to English citizens in Britian. They had representatives in England that did not represent them, which is unfair. The tried to resolve their differnces lawfully and were not even heard. Many Patriots were "big men" in Colonial America. George Washington was a Colonel during the French and Indian wars. Others held posts in colonial government. That is much different than what we have here. I never said I had any trust for the ATF. But distrusting and organization and killing someone are 2 different things. We have a representative government, to distrust it is to partially distrust ourselves. Part of the problem is that people don't have enough acces to their government, that fosters mistrust both ways, and that is very bad. Mistrust of government is [i]not[/i] "very bad" - it's [red]very necessary[/red] to the healthy operation of a republican form of government, so long as that mistrust does not become excessive. Without the active participation of the governed, those in charge tend to accumulate more and more power to which they are not entitled. We've been complacent for far too long. As a result, I fully expect the suspicion to swing all the way to paranoia - and that [b]will[/b] be a bad thing. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:30:42 PM EDT
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Some of ya'll ain't gonna fair too well in prison.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:30:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guess the government is becoming much more "efficient." The whole sordid mess is easier to manage if you burn the citizens out the same day rather than waiting 51 days. [:(!] Who started the fire?? What is your PROOF of the identity of the fire starter?? Ok??? I like the last line, but when have I ever run from a debate?? There's more of this converstion over on the "main" thread about it. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:31:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: As a result, I fully expect the suspicion to swing all the way to paranoia - and that [b]will[/b] be a bad thing. Oh, I don't know--I rather relish my days. LOL |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:41:59 PM EDT
[#29]
KBaker, there is a difference between being vigilant about the practices of government and being distrustful. I am all for "open" government, and a vigilant citizenry.
Our government entities are part of a representative government, unlike other places. So if we can't trust our government, it is kind of like not trusting ourselves. That is not healthy. All I meant was an open government, watched by a vigilant citizenry, and of the people is the goal. If the people distrust the government we are only hurting ourselves because the the people require the government, and the government is derived from the people. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:49:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: I believe there is a difference between one person "standing up" against whatever, and what the Patriots did. 1 person "standing up" often is nothing more than 1 guy thinking he doesn't have to live by societies rules, because he is better or whatever. What really was the difference? The patriots stood up because the redcoats came to take [i]their[/i] guns away, so [i]they[/i] stood up. 1 guy standing up could just mean the state's gotten smart enough to go after individuals instead of groups. The latter is far more dangerous, because we all have to make the decision for ourselves what the breaking point is. Easier to inflame one than 50. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 2:57:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: KBaker, there is a difference between being vigilant about the practices of government and being distrustful. I am all for "open" government, and a vigilant citizenry. Our government entities are part of a representative government, unlike other places. So if we can't trust our government, it is kind of like not trusting ourselves. That is not healthy. All I meant was an open government, watched by a vigilant citizenry, and of the people is the goal. If the people distrust the government we are only hurting ourselves because the the people require the government, and the government is derived from the people. I've read that you're an LEO. If that is true, and you've spent any time on the street, how far do you trust your fellow man (those not in uniform)? Why should we think that those who fill our elected offices are any better than Joe Average on the street? Clinton, Condit, Byrd et. al. certainly prove that getting elected doesn't mean you're morally superior. I'm sorry, but I firmly believe that government is a necessary evil, best kept small and watched closely. (By its very existence, government makes an "us versus them" situation, you can't help it.) So far, we've done neither, the main reason being that our elected officials were "of the people", and we felt safe in electing them. Surely they'd never do anything detrimental? Now it is coming back to haunt us. Waxman wants to ban .50 caliber rifles because they can be used to shoot through armored limosines. Just who rides around in armored limosines? Let's get this straight - I [red]want[/red] my elected officials to think about what will happen if they stray too far, and I [red]want[/red] law enforcement officials to think about what will happen if they try to enforce unconstitutional laws. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:04:06 PM EDT
[#32]
Thank you for playing, but you are wrong. The British trying to take weapons away was not the cause of the Revolutionary War.
Rememeber something about "taxation without representation". The matter was that England had different rules for English subjects according to where they lived. The colonist also had NO representation in Parliament. This was patently unfair, they were taxed more heavily than English Subjects in Britian, but received no representation and were felt to have fewer rights than "Britains". 1 pesron "going off" is a nut job, or a criminal. The most common defense by criminals is something like "I ain't gotta follow your rules". If as a society the people decide that their rights are being violated, and they try to work peacefully to address the issue without success, and many members of a comunity fell they must reform the gov't by force if neccessary........ Yeah going after 1 guy..... We have a criminal justice system that lists the righta and responsibilities of the prosecution and defendant, and has a multi-layer appeals process. The US government is known for terminating entire communities that it doesn't like. Stop the paranoid rambling |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:16:52 PM EDT
[#33]
By distrust I meant that the Gov't would have to prove every act/statement it was responsible for was legal/truthful.
By vigilance I meant that you watch the government from budget to policy issues. You vote, and know who represents you and how they act. Government meeting should be open, and at least on the State and National level televised, just so you can take a listen. And when I hear those, "##### does a good job for us, I don't care about his personal life", I go cold. Think how you would feel if everything you did or said was judged not trustworthy until verified, that would really destroy productivity. Oversight and distrust are different. Yes if they do stuff they should be punished. But it always amazes me how many times some home town guy gets involved in the goofiest scams and no one there believes he could do anything wrong. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:24:17 PM EDT
[#34]
With "friends" like Oly-M4GERY we don't need enemies! Granted we don't know all the facts, but we can speculate on what we do know:
The ATF was involved. That pretty much answers all we need to know. They never get a search warrant correct. This guy could be fully justified for killing the officer. If he was attempting to serve and unconstitutional search warrent(such as the reasons for issuance clearly violating the constitution), then while killing the officer may not have been prudent, it was justified. It is self-defense. When an official of the gov't is violating or attempting to violate your rights, it is not only your right, but your DUTY to stop such violations. And if he followed the going-ons of our gov't, he knew that most likely he would have been killed, or screwed by the justice system and locked up any way. Maybe this was his only choice. I would have made the same decision. Oh, I also believe there is a court case saying that the killing of an official of the gov't is justified when they are violating or attempting to violate your rights, but I do not know if that is true or not, so take it with a grain of salt. And, just because one guy went off, doesn't make him a nut. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:29:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Right on, liberty.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:29:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: With "friends" like Oly-M4GERY we don't need enemies! Granted we don't know all the facts, but we can speculate on what we do know: The ATF was involved. That pretty much answers all we need to know. They never get a search warrant correct. This guy could be fully justified for killing the officer. If he was attempting to serve and unconstitutional search warrent(such as the reasons for issuance clearly violating the constitution), then while killing the officer may not have been prudent, it was justified. It is self-defense. When an official of the gov't is violating or attempting to violate your rights, it is not only your right, but your DUTY to stop such violations. And if he followed the going-ons of our gov't, he knew that most likely he would have been killed, or screwed by the justice system and locked up any way. Maybe this was his only choice. I would have made the same decision. Oh, I also believe there is a court case saying that the killing of an official of the gov't is justified when they are violating or attempting to violate your rights, but I do not know if that is true or not, so take it with a grain of salt. And, just because one guy went off, doesn't make him a nut. Press the button the nurse forgot to give you your meds. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:31:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: And, just because one guy went off, doesn't make him a nut. Right, it makes him a roasted nut--[b]NO[/b] humor intended. This shit is getting old.[:(!] |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:33:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: Quoted: And, just because one guy went off, doesn't make him a nut. Right, it makes him a roasted nut--[b]NO[/b] humor intended. This shit is getting old.[:(!] I agree, I'm gonna go shoot see ya (here) Sunday |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:33:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Oly, if the government declares all AR's to be contraband, are you saying we should just sit back and let them serve the warrants, as they are lawfully drawn? Just let them disarm us, and then beg the same court that issued the warrant to please give us our rights back?
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:35:44 PM EDT
[#40]
Neil Cavuto on FOX pinned-down the deputies he was interviewing about that "stockpiling" BS. The first deputy beat around the bush stating it depends on his intentions and crap like that. He refused to state if it was legal to “stockpile†or not. Cavuto persisted, but could not get a straight answer out of the guy. So, Cavuto asked the second deputy, and this guy came out right away and said there is nothing illegal about “stockpiling†weapons. I was impressed with Cavuto because he would not drop the question and persisted until he got a straight answer.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 3:48:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: 1 pesron "going off" is a nut job, or a criminal... If as a society the people decide that their rights are being violated, and they try to work peacefully to address the issue without success, and many members of a comunity fell they must reform the gov't by force if neccessary........ We have a criminal justice system that lists the righta and responsibilities of the prosecution and defendant, and has a multi-layer appeals process. The US government is known for terminating entire communities that it doesn't like. OLY M4 gery You seem to be the one person going off here. Does that make you a nutcase? While you were brushing up on your liberal handbook, you may have missed the fact that people have been trying to peaceably workout the issues about gun control. We’re coming to the last stages of that process. The Gov. and the liberals that prop it up are not interested in the fact that that the RKBA shall not be infringed(period) The criminal justice system in conveniently used to promote whatever Liberal idea is in fashion today. Obviously that doesn’t matter, because it is backed by some unconstitutional law, so that makes it alright by you. You are correct in your last statement however. The Gov. does terminate communities that it doesn’t like. Take for instance Waco. Of course those people were nut cases who deserved to die. Especially those criminal children. Go back to your Liberal handbook and read the chapter on minimizing the facts when talking to a conservative. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 4:02:58 PM EDT
[#42]
OLY will understand when the government says he can't have his M4gery anymore, for our safety you understand, and for the sake of our children. Then again he may hand over his AR-15 as many of the sheep will.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 4:07:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Don't worry, lads, we can depend on the BATF to interpret the meaning of "stockpiling" for each of us on an individual basis..
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Posted: 8/31/2001 5:54:44 PM EDT
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Hellraiser,
He will turn his guns in, because its the law, and when the time comes he will give up every freedom he has, because it the law. He beleives that being a Lib. will grant him certain privlages, and as each freedom is taken he will find solace in those coming privlages. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 6:01:07 PM EDT
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Hell, I thought everyone new that!
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Posted: 8/31/2001 6:44:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Keep in ming that if Oly is a LEO he won't have to turn in his AR15, just us untrustworth civilians will.
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Posted: 8/31/2001 7:04:52 PM EDT
[#47]
I'm sure you boys will correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read it, the suspect was NOT an Arcadia police officer- he used to be one, but didn't make probation. He has several criminal convictions already, one for burglary and one for impersonating an officer. Now, the current investigation is for him allegedly impersonating a U.S. Marshal and stockpiling guns. If this is true, it's a far different scenario than joe citizen 'stockpiling guns'.
There have been more than a few cases of guys who didn't make it as cops (or who couldn't get hired at all) continuing to represent themselves as officers for various reasons, some of which include rape and assault of women they 'pull over' for alleged traffic violations. Lots of these guys are mentally unstable and dangerous. We have them where I'm at, and I've dealt with them. Not only that, but this guy already had felony convictions, which means that his owning any firearms, let alone 'stockpiling' them, is a felony. I think some of you are jumping to conclusions that this is an otherwise innocent man who has been targeted by the government just because he is a gunowner. I'd wait for all the facts to come out before I started screaming 'Waco' again. Not that Imbroglio's well-considered, fact-filled title to this thread didn't encourage jumping to conclusions. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 7:33:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm sure you boys will correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read it, the suspect was NOT an Arcadia police officer- he used to be one, but didn't make probation. He has several criminal convictions already, one for burglary and one for impersonating an officer. Now, the current investigation is for him allegedly impersonating a U.S. Marshal and stockpiling guns. If this is true, it's a far different scenario than joe citizen 'stockpiling guns'. There have been more than a few cases of guys who didn't make it as cops (or who couldn't get hired at all) continuing to represent themselves as officers for various reasons, some of which include rape and assault of women they 'pull over' for alleged traffic violations. Lots of these guys are mentally unstable and dangerous. We have them where I'm at, and I've dealt with them. Not only that, but this guy already had felony convictions, which means that his owning any firearms, let alone 'stockpiling' them, is a felony. I think some of you are jumping to conclusions that this is an otherwise innocent man who has been targeted by the government just because he is a gunowner. I'd wait for all the facts to come out before I started screaming 'Waco' again. Not that Imbroglio's well-considered, fact-filled title to this thread didn't encourage jumping to conclusions. While I have much more faith in the current administration than the previous one I will view everything the Government says about situations like this with extreme skepticism. We've got a bit of history to deal with. |
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Posted: 8/31/2001 10:27:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: what constitutes a "stockpile" anyways? More than one gun and more than 50 "bullets" is the general drift that I get from the local talking head on the tube in L.A. Calif. |
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Posted: 9/1/2001 7:01:01 AM EDT
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I am glad I moved my stockpile from PRK to Montana this year, actually I think I may qualify as an armory not a stockpile.
BTW; I heard on the radio up here that he had been arrested 3 times for C3 violations and he beat ATF every time in court. Grudge maybe? |
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