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Posted: 10/22/2016 10:24:52 PM EDT
How will the stock market react to either candidate winning? If Trump pulls it off, will the markets take a hit similar to Brexit?
Link Posted: 10/22/2016 10:25:49 PM EDT
No change of Hillary wins because that's what they all expect. If Trump wins who knows probably crash

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Link Posted: 10/22/2016 10:30:09 PM EDT
As I said earlier the media is saying Wall Street is saying Trump will kill the market, and Hillary will
allow the market to continue on.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:48:22 AM EDT
I need a good dip after the election to get back in.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:20:14 AM EDT
Chomping at the bit for AMZN to drop so I can finally get a piece.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:27:10 PM EDT
Trying to decide if I should make some moves or just let it all ride out.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:28:30 PM EDT
Doesn't it usually go up after the election, no matter who wins? The markets don't like uncertainty.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:34:54 PM EDT
The media is hyping the propaganda that somehow Hitlery will be so fucking great for the stock market and America. I don't believe it a bit.

In 2009 when The Obama came into office the economy, and the market, continued their tanking and have generally sucked ever since. While the market is up at the moment it has looked like a roller coaster also.

I cannot see how Hitlery will make the market better long term if any of her ideas of high taxes, high regulation, open borders, continued driving of American businesses overseas, slow strangulation of the police, decriminalizing "inner city youths" and large scale bans of anything she considers dangerous start to take effect.

On the other hand, Trump's pushing for deregulation, lower taxes, encouragement for businesses to stay here and higher employment will bring the market, and America, much higher.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:38:33 PM EDT
The market already has a Hillary win built into the price. If Trump wins there will be a retraction.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:40:36 PM EDT
Worst case? Could be 'as bad' as BREXIT...sharp drop followed by a complete recovery over a period of around 3 days.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:42:48 PM EDT
With relief, that it's over.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 12:45:28 PM EDT
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George Soros currently holding put option against four million shares of the S&P 500...a position worth over 8.5 billion dollars.

He is ideally positioned to make a killing if the markets crash after the election.

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/08/15/soros0815/
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 1:16:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Guntoter:
The media is hyping the propaganda that somehow Hitlery will be so fucking great for the stock market and America. I don't believe it a bit.

In 2009 when The Obama came into office the economy, and the market, continued their tanking and have generally sucked ever since. While the market is up at the moment it has looked like a roller coaster also.

I cannot see how Hitlery will make the market better long term if any of her ideas of high taxes, high regulation, open borders, continued driving of American businesses overseas, slow strangulation of the police, decriminalizing "inner city youths" and large scale bans of anything she considers dangerous start to take effect.

On the other hand, Trump's pushing for deregulation, lower taxes, encouragement for businesses to stay here and higher employment will bring the market, and America, much higher.
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You must be talking about a different stock market, have a terrible portfolio, or an unrealistic opinion about stock performance because the Dow went from like 8700 to 10428 over 2009.

Presidents really have fuck all to do with the market so don't take this as a defense of Obama but it's absurdly dishonest to say the market "continued tanking" in 2009 when it was in fact up by over 18% by the end of the year.

Which you manage to follow up with another gem: "generally sucked ever since" .... It's at over 18000 right now. If you haven't seen fantastic returns since recession you're doing it completely wrong.

I dunno bout you but I'm much happier about my personal net worth today than I was at the dawn of 2009. Again, president (any of them) has fuck all to do with it (no credit & no blame).

Who cares if it looks like a "roller coaster" "at the moment" (whatever arbitrary short time period "the moment" means).. The market isn't some MLM get rich quick investment tool, it will always look like a roller coaster if you can't see the forest for the trees.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 2:04:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DocBrooks:


You must be talking about a different stock market, have a terrible portfolio, or an unrealistic opinion about stock performance because the Dow went from like 8700 to 10428 over 2009.

Presidents really have fuck all to do with the market so don't take this as a defense of Obama but it's absurdly dishonest to say the market "continued tanking" in 2009 when it was in fact up by over 18% by the end of the year.

Which you manage to follow up with another gem: "generally sucked ever since" .... It's at over 18000 right now. If you haven't seen fantastic returns since recession you're doing it completely wrong.

I dunno bout you but I'm much happier about my personal net worth today than I was at the dawn of 2009. Again, president (any of them) has fuck all to do with it (no credit & no blame).

Who cares if it looks like a "roller coaster" "at the moment" (whatever arbitrary short time period "the moment" means).. The market isn't some MLM get rich quick investment tool, it will always look like a roller coaster if you can't see the forest for the trees.
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Originally Posted By DocBrooks:
Originally Posted By Guntoter:
The media is hyping the propaganda that somehow Hitlery will be so fucking great for the stock market and America. I don't believe it a bit.

In 2009 when The Obama came into office the economy, and the market, continued their tanking and have generally sucked ever since. While the market is up at the moment it has looked like a roller coaster also.

I cannot see how Hitlery will make the market better long term if any of her ideas of high taxes, high regulation, open borders, continued driving of American businesses overseas, slow strangulation of the police, decriminalizing "inner city youths" and large scale bans of anything she considers dangerous start to take effect.

On the other hand, Trump's pushing for deregulation, lower taxes, encouragement for businesses to stay here and higher employment will bring the market, and America, much higher.


You must be talking about a different stock market, have a terrible portfolio, or an unrealistic opinion about stock performance because the Dow went from like 8700 to 10428 over 2009.

Presidents really have fuck all to do with the market so don't take this as a defense of Obama but it's absurdly dishonest to say the market "continued tanking" in 2009 when it was in fact up by over 18% by the end of the year.

Which you manage to follow up with another gem: "generally sucked ever since" .... It's at over 18000 right now. If you haven't seen fantastic returns since recession you're doing it completely wrong.

I dunno bout you but I'm much happier about my personal net worth today than I was at the dawn of 2009. Again, president (any of them) has fuck all to do with it (no credit & no blame).

Who cares if it looks like a "roller coaster" "at the moment" (whatever arbitrary short time period "the moment" means).. The market isn't some MLM get rich quick investment tool, it will always look like a roller coaster if you can't see the forest for the trees.


Research published by Goldman-Sachs seems to indicate that corporate stock buybacks has been the real driving force behind what has been buoying the upward trend in the markets the last few years.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/25/buybacks-stock-market/

IMHO they've been using cheap (low/no interest) printed cash from the Fed via QE-1/2/3/4-etc.

The Obama administration knows that people tend to vote their pocketbook. IMO they're artificially supporting the markets to get votes.

They cannot keep this up forever; eventually they'll find some excuse for the big rug-pull.

Once the lib-tards get a Liberal POTUS/Congress who can turn the US Supreme Court decidedly Liberal/Socialist...their ultimate goal will have been attained and there will be no need to further support the markets on synthetic demand.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 3:08:37 PM EDT
HRC = keep kicking the can down the road, so the market will like it short term and hate it long term. They expect her to win, so it's pretty much already priced into the market. Minor rise is my guess.

Trump = short term chaos. Hard to say on the long term, depends how much the GOPe blocks him on the hill. First day? Market down 100. No big deal, really.

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Link Posted: 10/23/2016 3:12:04 PM EDT
I'm going to wait for gym007's prediction.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 3:22:59 PM EDT
The blind populace and deniers believe the economy is still stable, hence no matter who wins, there will be no dramatic shift in the stock market right after the election. The people who have a clue already know we are destined for another economic reset. The longer you try to put it off and put bandaids on the economy, the worse the reset will be. No matter who wins next month, we will have a reset before that president's term is over. Probably within the next year. The silver lining to it? We had a terrorist in the whitehouse for the last 8 years. If the feminine Nazi wins, that's 4 more years of failed economic policies. Even the democrat butt humpers will have a hard time blaming it on Bush.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:10:29 PM EDT
All you have to do is pull up a ten year chart of ProShares Ultra Short (ticker symbol: QID) and add a money flow index.

QID is an inverse etf that shorts the NASDAQ.

It is obvious that institutional money has been positioning for a market downturn since January 2014.

Meanwhile, ProShares Ultra (ticker symbol: QLD), which is an etf that goes long on the NASDAQ, looks awfully topped-out (looking at a ten year chart with a money flow index).

Just my own little opinion...which means absolutely nothing.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:14:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:15:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ARctangent:


Research published by Goldman-Sachs seems to indicate that corporate stock buybacks has been the real driving force behind what has been buoying the upward trend in the markets the last few years.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/25/buybacks-stock-market/

IMHO they've been using cheap (low/no interest) printed cash from the Fed via QE-1/2/3/4-etc.

The Obama administration knows that people tend to vote their pocketbook. IMO they're artificially supporting the markets to get votes.

They cannot keep this up forever; eventually they'll find some excuse for the big rug-pull.

Once the lib-tards get a Liberal POTUS/Congress who can turn the US Supreme Court decidedly Liberal/Socialist...their ultimate goal will have been attained and there will be no need to further support the markets on synthetic demand.
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Originally Posted By ARctangent:
Originally Posted By DocBrooks:
Originally Posted By Guntoter:
The media is hyping the propaganda that somehow Hitlery will be so fucking great for the stock market and America. I don't believe it a bit.

In 2009 when The Obama came into office the economy, and the market, continued their tanking and have generally sucked ever since. While the market is up at the moment it has looked like a roller coaster also.

I cannot see how Hitlery will make the market better long term if any of her ideas of high taxes, high regulation, open borders, continued driving of American businesses overseas, slow strangulation of the police, decriminalizing "inner city youths" and large scale bans of anything she considers dangerous start to take effect.

On the other hand, Trump's pushing for deregulation, lower taxes, encouragement for businesses to stay here and higher employment will bring the market, and America, much higher.


You must be talking about a different stock market, have a terrible portfolio, or an unrealistic opinion about stock performance because the Dow went from like 8700 to 10428 over 2009.

Presidents really have fuck all to do with the market so don't take this as a defense of Obama but it's absurdly dishonest to say the market "continued tanking" in 2009 when it was in fact up by over 18% by the end of the year.

Which you manage to follow up with another gem: "generally sucked ever since" .... It's at over 18000 right now. If you haven't seen fantastic returns since recession you're doing it completely wrong.

I dunno bout you but I'm much happier about my personal net worth today than I was at the dawn of 2009. Again, president (any of them) has fuck all to do with it (no credit & no blame).

Who cares if it looks like a "roller coaster" "at the moment" (whatever arbitrary short time period "the moment" means).. The market isn't some MLM get rich quick investment tool, it will always look like a roller coaster if you can't see the forest for the trees.


Research published by Goldman-Sachs seems to indicate that corporate stock buybacks has been the real driving force behind what has been buoying the upward trend in the markets the last few years.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/25/buybacks-stock-market/

IMHO they've been using cheap (low/no interest) printed cash from the Fed via QE-1/2/3/4-etc.

The Obama administration knows that people tend to vote their pocketbook. IMO they're artificially supporting the markets to get votes.

They cannot keep this up forever; eventually they'll find some excuse for the big rug-pull.

Once the lib-tards get a Liberal POTUS/Congress who can turn the US Supreme Court decidedly Liberal/Socialist...their ultimate goal will have been attained and there will be no need to further support the markets on synthetic demand.

Possibly, but anyone with skin in the game still reaps the rewards even if some gains have been the results of buy backs. The fact remains, the post I was replying to was factually absurd. Look, I don't like Obama either but you don't win minds/arguments with utter bullshit that is easily verifiable as such.
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Originally Posted By Bigtwinlvr:
The blind populace and deniers believe the economy is still stable, hence no matter who wins, there will be no dramatic shift in the stock market right after the election. The people who have a clue already know we are destined for another economic reset. The longer you try to put it off and put bandaids on the economy, the worse the reset will be. No matter who wins next month, we will have a reset before that president's term is over. Probably within the next year. The silver lining to it? We had a terrorist in the whitehouse for the last 8 years. If the feminine Nazi wins, that's 4 more years of failed economic policies. Even the democrat butt humpers will have a hard time blaming it on Bush.
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All you can do is keep an eye on your market scanners and stay defensive.

Set up your market scanners to spot any definite downward trends and either short or use put options and or short the indexes indirectly using bear funds and inverse etf's.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:18:19 PM EDT
Several warnings already out there pointing to a crash. I don't see the election having much affect on it. It. Trump wins however the media will blame it on him though.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:26:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DocBrooks:

Possibly, but anyone with skin in the game still reaps the rewards even if some gains have been the results of buy backs. The fact remains, the post I was replying to was factually absurd. Look, I don't like Obama either but you don't win minds/arguments with utter bullshit that is easily verifiable as such.
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Originally Posted By DocBrooks:
Originally Posted By ARctangent:
Originally Posted By DocBrooks:
Originally Posted By Guntoter:
The media is hyping the propaganda that somehow Hitlery will be so fucking great for the stock market and America. I don't believe it a bit.

In 2009 when The Obama came into office the economy, and the market, continued their tanking and have generally sucked ever since. While the market is up at the moment it has looked like a roller coaster also.

I cannot see how Hitlery will make the market better long term if any of her ideas of high taxes, high regulation, open borders, continued driving of American businesses overseas, slow strangulation of the police, decriminalizing "inner city youths" and large scale bans of anything she considers dangerous start to take effect.

On the other hand, Trump's pushing for deregulation, lower taxes, encouragement for businesses to stay here and higher employment will bring the market, and America, much higher.


You must be talking about a different stock market, have a terrible portfolio, or an unrealistic opinion about stock performance because the Dow went from like 8700 to 10428 over 2009.

Presidents really have fuck all to do with the market so don't take this as a defense of Obama but it's absurdly dishonest to say the market "continued tanking" in 2009 when it was in fact up by over 18% by the end of the year.

Which you manage to follow up with another gem: "generally sucked ever since" .... It's at over 18000 right now. If you haven't seen fantastic returns since recession you're doing it completely wrong.

I dunno bout you but I'm much happier about my personal net worth today than I was at the dawn of 2009. Again, president (any of them) has fuck all to do with it (no credit & no blame).

Who cares if it looks like a "roller coaster" "at the moment" (whatever arbitrary short time period "the moment" means).. The market isn't some MLM get rich quick investment tool, it will always look like a roller coaster if you can't see the forest for the trees.


Research published by Goldman-Sachs seems to indicate that corporate stock buybacks has been the real driving force behind what has been buoying the upward trend in the markets the last few years.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/25/buybacks-stock-market/

IMHO they've been using cheap (low/no interest) printed cash from the Fed via QE-1/2/3/4-etc.

The Obama administration knows that people tend to vote their pocketbook. IMO they're artificially supporting the markets to get votes.

They cannot keep this up forever; eventually they'll find some excuse for the big rug-pull.

Once the lib-tards get a Liberal POTUS/Congress who can turn the US Supreme Court decidedly Liberal/Socialist...their ultimate goal will have been attained and there will be no need to further support the markets on synthetic demand.

Possibly, but anyone with skin in the game still reaps the rewards even if some gains have been the results of buy backs. The fact remains, the post I was replying to was factually absurd. Look, I don't like Obama either but you don't win minds/arguments with utter bullshit that is easily verifiable as such.


Sure...there has been plenty of opportunities to make money (both on the long and short sides) even in this strange and crappy market...as long as you're on the right side of the trade, limit your size, and can change bias at a moment's notice.

I tend to look for definite trends...either up or down, doesn't matter. I refuse to play ranges when the market is flat or has no direction.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:37:21 PM EDT
I see stocks lowering just before election with a rise the day after or maybe 2 days after, once the certainty sets in of the new president. The biggest thing propping up the market is

A. The FED keeping rates low, which can't go on

B. The false low of the price of silver

Silver has been at an artificial low for too long, which has helped keep other metals lower than reality. When GS and the like quit dumping precious metals to keep the price down, everything will turn upside down, unless the FED raises rates first. Either Wall Street or the FED will cause the market to drop and when it happens it will be fast. Precious metals are a good indicator to watch for how the dollar's/market's health really is, silver has been slowing increasing as more and more people are losing faith in the dollar, as well as the fact that they know the FED will soon have to raise rates. It's not a question of if the market will drop but more of how bad and when. The truth is no one really knows what will be the start, as there are just too many factors that can cause a sharp swing in either direction.

One also needs to remember a crash does not mean the whole market(s), it can easily be one sector. We saw one sector crash when the internet bubble burst, a wider area crash was when real estate tanked, which was due to so many companies/people not diversifying their portfolios. While a crash that could set us back to food lines and the like are very unlikely (as there is wall street over sight, that did not exist before) it could happen though. One thing people should understand is the economy has never recovered and never will due to it was fake. Just now we hear unemployment is down, but it isn't. People aren't filing for unemployment as their benefits have ran out, people are working less hours for less money (our country is vastly underemployed). It's all a smoke screen just like the deficit, which is actually (at least) 3X's higher than stated.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:37:58 PM EDT
Those in the know are makin big dollars right now. There is zero reason for them to change what they're doing simply because of a trump win .

Link Posted: 10/23/2016 4:52:18 PM EDT
20% - 25% drop between election day and inauguration day. How dare you serfs give us Elites the finger like that.
But what do I know I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 5:00:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ARctangent:


All you can do is keep an eye on your market scanners and stay defensive.

Set up your market scanners to spot any definite downward trends and either short or use put options and or short the indexes indirectly using bear funds and inverse etf's.
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Originally Posted By ARctangent:
Originally Posted By Bigtwinlvr:
The blind populace and deniers believe the economy is still stable, hence no matter who wins, there will be no dramatic shift in the stock market right after the election. The people who have a clue already know we are destined for another economic reset. The longer you try to put it off and put bandaids on the economy, the worse the reset will be. No matter who wins next month, we will have a reset before that president's term is over. Probably within the next year. The silver lining to it? We had a terrorist in the whitehouse for the last 8 years. If the feminine Nazi wins, that's 4 more years of failed economic policies. Even the democrat butt humpers will have a hard time blaming it on Bush.


All you can do is keep an eye on your market scanners and stay defensive.

Set up your market scanners to spot any definite downward trends and either short or use put options and or short the indexes indirectly using bear funds and inverse etf's.


You can definitely do more than that but I like your planning.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:11:12 PM EDT
If hillary gets elected S&W Holdings and Ruger will have a good 4th quarter in sales.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:17:12 PM EDT
Probably drop either way. Then bounce back.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:28:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 4thbreak:
How will the stock market react to either candidate winning? If Trump pulls it off, will the markets take a hit similar to Brexit?
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If Trump wins, many industries will take a hit. Companies with exposure to China will be hit hard.

If Hillary wins, it's gonna be business as usual. The money printing will continue. Just like a middle school class with a substitute teacher, companies will be able to get away with all sorts of stuff.
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