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9/5/2006 4:56:30 PM EDT
Just went through the Squad Designated Marksman course for the 82nd Airborne Division.  2 weeks at Camp Butner, NC.  I have to go through the course b4 I can be an instructor for it.  

Shot M4 rifles with iron sights and ACOG out to 500M from all positions.  Also did exercises in Range Estimation and Target Detection.  

 http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/jimtanker/proneun2.jpg


 http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/jimtanker/sitting.jpg


 http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/jimtanker/prone.jpg


 http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/jimtanker/kneeling.jpg


Me in the butts at Butner:
 http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/jimtanker/pits.jpg


I just happened to shoot top gun for the course by a little bit.  OK, more than a little.  Nice to have a tanker outshoot all of these infantry guys.  
  :tank:  

9/5/2006 5:28:29 PM EDT
[#1]
That's excellent, ALL THE WAY!
9/5/2006 5:42:25 PM EDT
[#2]
I noticed that actual Sniper School is closed to those with an 11C MOS.... how about this course?


9/5/2006 5:43:52 PM EDT
[#3]
Good job.
9/5/2006 5:46:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Good stuff!
9/5/2006 5:54:49 PM EDT
[#5]
AWESOME
9/5/2006 5:55:30 PM EDT
[#6]
I'd like to take this one at Camp Robinson, but I'm getting to within 3 years of retiring, so I'll probably lose out to the younger guys.
9/6/2006 3:53:38 AM EDT
[#7]
Hey, I only have 4 years left and I shot the highest out of all those young bucks.  Experience wins every time.  Even in that 100 degree, 80% humidity wearing all that 40 pounds of gear we were running around in.  


This course here in the 82nd is open to anyone in the combat brigades.  We are starting up a core of instructors to teach the individual SDMs in the units.  Contact your Bde/Bn master gunner for more details.
9/6/2006 4:02:20 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Hey, I only have 4 years left and I shot the highest out of all those young bucks.  Experience wins every time.  Even in that 100 degree, 80% humidity wearing all that 40 pounds of gear we were running around in.  


This course here in the 82nd is open to anyone in the combat brigades.  We are starting up a core of instructors to teach the individual SDMs in the units.  Contact your Bde/Bn master gunner for more details.


I already researched it when the course was posted on the Robinson website. Once these courses went from central funding by NGB to unit funding, its tougher to get guys to the courses. Sending a guy who has a few more years left in his career is more cost effective for the unit. As it is we need to send a couple more guys to the SAIROC and Master Marksmanship courses or whatever the new names for those are.
9/6/2006 4:19:53 AM EDT
[#9]
i was told about it when i took company high in both pistol and rifle, and they said they were going to try and put me through before we deploy.  my mike golf told me that we would talk again about it when the fiscal year ends.  

how long is the course, and does it include the M14?   im wondering if we have one set up here at benning to go to locally, although i wouldnt mind some TDY pay.  regular sniper school is located here (closed to me being a 19K), along with the AMU.

is it like most other hooah schools, smoke the piss out of you before we do anything related to the school itself?

EDIT: just reread and saw the length of the course...2 weeks.
9/6/2006 4:26:20 AM EDT
[#10]
Outstanding!

WHat kind of groups were you getting with the M4's?

WHat kind of toys did HK let you guys play with?

And, a little OT, but what do you think of the ACU pattern?



-K
9/6/2006 4:29:03 AM EDT
[#11]
I  have competed on the Butner range before. Excellent range, I must say. Great target pits that spoil you rotten.

The wind at Butner is horrible. 180 degree shifts JUST when you take your eye out of the spotting scope. That, and the wind flags are liars.
9/6/2006 4:56:40 AM EDT
[#12]
thanks for sharing the pictures.


Thanks for your service more than anything  
9/6/2006 6:07:08 AM EDT
[#13]
Due to the surge in the SDM requirement, we (SARTS) created a local Advanced Rifle Course. This is based on the SDM course material. It is designed to improve our deploying soldiers rifle proficiency and provide a warm-up for soldiers tagged for the SDM course. And also expose our soldiers to US weapons/optics they may encounter in the field.

We teach all the SDM material condensed into 6 days.

Weapons used: M16A2, M4 (unit/department issued).

Range E, Target Detection, Wind Estimation, MIL Dot, Iron sight and optics (M68, ACOG and EoTech). We also include a 4 hour block of FAM Firing @ 500 yards with M14, M21, M24, M14 EBR (suppressed, w/ ACOG) and a M16 SDM weapon


Also, the great thing about the SDM course (and ours) is that all the soldiers are amazed at what they can do with IRON sights, and a little training...

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9/6/2006 6:13:44 AM EDT
[#14]
Ooops, messed up the pic. Forgot how that werks...


Here it is, Just another day at the 300 yard line....during a class in December.


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9/6/2006 6:28:10 AM EDT
[#15]
I'm familiar with the Marine Corps rifle training in Basic.


How is it in the Army Basic Training?


eta:

Is there an SDM curriculum online somewhere?
9/6/2006 6:39:48 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Is there an SDM curriculum online somewhere?


http://www.arguard.org/mtu/Schools/SDMC/SDMC%20Qualification%20Standards.doc

http://www.arguard.org/mtu/Schools/SDMC/SDM%20Course%20scope.doc

SQUAD DESIGNATED MARKSMAN COURSE (SDMC)
SDM SCOPE

   1.  The primary mission of the SDM is to deploy as a member of the rifle squad.  The SDM is a vital member of his individual squad and not a squad sniper.  He fires and maneuvers with this squad and performs all of the duties of the standard rifleman.  The SDM has neither the equipment nor training to operate individually or in a small team to engage targets at extended ranges with precision fire.

    2.  The secondary mission of the SDM is to engage key targets from 100 to 550 meters with effective, well-aimed fires using the standard weapon system and standard ammunition.  He may or may not be equipped with an optic.  Therefore the SDM must possess a thorough understanding and master of the fundamentals of rifle marksmanship as well as ballistics, elevation and windage hold-off, sight manipulation, and range estimation.  

     3.  The SDM course will provide the squad with a designated marksman that has been trained to engage targets from 100 to 550 meters with and without optics.  The SDM will operate and maneuver as a rifleman, but will have the added responsibility of engaging targets with effective, well-aimed fire out to 550 meters.  The SDM can also be used to help direct the fire of other squad members into enemy positions.  Due to the increased skill level required for his position, the SDM must maintain a high level of proficiency through continued training of the required skills.  The SDM graduate will return to his/her unit to use the “Train the Trainer” concept and train additional SDMs.

    4.  The platoon sergeant and squad leaders must take special consideration in selecting the SDM.  The SDM must have a solid marksmanship performance, must have a clear understanding of the fundamentals, and must be able to apply these fundamentals consistently during dry-fire and live-fire training.  Even though the SDM in the field will be the junior enlisted, the immediate supervisor must know the capabilities of the SDM.  Selected soldiers must bring a copy of their last M16 series qualification scorecard showing a qualification of at least Sharpshooter.  Selected soldiers must be in the pay grade of E-2 through E-7 and O-1 through O-2.  The SDMC is listed in the ATRRS system under School Code 1029 and course number MTC-005.  All applications must be made through the ATRRS system.  This course is conducted by the National Guard Marksmanship Training Unit (NGMTU) at Camp Joseph T. Robinson, North Little Rock , Arkansas and accepts up to 24 students per class.  

5.  Students must bring the following items:

        a.  LBE to include belt, suspenders, magazine pouch, canteen, poncho, and helmet

b.  Small calculator for Range Estimation

c.  Wet/cold weather gear

d.  Enough uniforms to last two- weeks (one-day laundry service is available)

e.  Enough money for your personal needs and for any emergencies

f.  Writing material for taking notes

g.  Two copies of your orders, a copy of your flight itinerary if you arrived by     aircraft

h.  Copy of your pre-execution checklist.

6.  The NGMTU also provides Mobile Training Teams (MTTs) that conduct SDMCs in the individual states.  This expansion of the SDM program allows states to accelerate their base of Squad Designated Marksmen/trainers to assist and conduct rifle marksmanship qualification training.  Written requests for MTTs are required NLT 120 days prior to the start date to allow for adequate planning and staffing.  All states are eligible and encouraged to request the SDM course to augment their state marksmanship program and training program.

7. Administrative instructions pertaining to SDMC MTTS are as follows:

        a.  SMCs are responsible for making the SDMC request                                                

b.  A 120-day lead-time is required before training is to be performed                

c.  NGMTU will provide the instructors  

d.  Funding for students is the responsibility of the state      

e.  SMCs are responsible for logistical, transportation, classroom, and range support

f.  Applications for SDMC MTTs will be submitted in writing to NGMTU.                                                                                                                                                    

8.  Questions concerning the SDMC or enrollment requests for the SDMC may be directed to the MTU Schools , (DSN) 962-4521/4520 or (Comm) (501) 212-4521/4520.



9/6/2006 6:58:03 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is there an SDM curriculum online somewhere?


http://www.arguard.org/mtu/Schools/SDMC/SDMC%20Qualification%20Standards.doc

http://www.arguard.org/mtu/Schools/SDMC/SDM%20Course%20scope.doc


thanks
9/6/2006 6:58:37 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Me in the butts at Butner:
 i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/jimtanker/pits.jpg


I just happened to shoot top gun for the course by a little bit.  OK, more than a little.  Nice to have a tanker outshoot all of these infantry guys.  
  :tank:  



You fit in a tank?  Maybe your not as tall as you look, or you just like small spaces.
9/6/2006 7:49:17 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Me in the butts at Butner:
 i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/jimtanker/pits.jpg


I just happened to shoot top gun for the course by a little bit.  OK, more than a little.  Nice to have a tanker outshoot all of these infantry guys.  
  :tank:  



You fit in a tank?  Maybe your not as tall as you look, or you just like small spaces.


im a tanker at almost 6'3" 210 lbs.  its a PITA getting in and out of some of the stations but i make do.
9/6/2006 9:13:59 AM EDT
[#20]
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Quoted:

Also, the great thing about the SDM course (and ours) is that all the soldiers are amazed at what they can do with IRON sights, and a little training...



Right on about that.  Its an amazing confidence builder for those soldiers that have never done anything but "Zeroed" thier M4s and then gone on to shoot a qualification table.  When you shoot out to 500M with iron sights then go back in to 300M that target looks huge.  There is no reason that anyone should ever miss a 300M target again.   LOL