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Posted: 9/12/2009 5:15:25 PM EST
Between Gates and Obama, we are witnessing a repeat of the 1970s Jimmy Carter era in which we fell behind the Russians in terms of defense. We are scraping the F-22, continuing to rely largely on aging legacy fighter aircraft and old bombers, and basically shredding the defense budget when it comes to acquiring things that might also prove useful against an advanced military,not just goat herders with AKs and RPGs. Meanwhile, the Russians are making an all out effort to bring online as many advanced systems that they can possibly afford, as are the Chinese. If you ever needed solid proof that Obama and Gates are IDIOTS, the following articles should prove convincing.

Commander outlines future of the Russian Air Force
Air Force News — By RIA Novosti on August 7, 2009 at 7:23 am

http://www.defencetalk.com/commander-outlines-future-of-the-russian-air-force-20969/

MOSCOW: New and modernized aircraft will comprise 70% of the Russian Air Force by 2020, the Air Force commander said on Wednesday.

"We expect 70% of the Air Force strength to be new and modernized aircraft by 2020," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin told reporters.

"The development of the Russian Air Force will be carried out through extensive acquisition of new advanced aircraft and continuing modernization of the existing fleet," he added.

STRATEGIC AVIATION AND RECONAISSANCE AIRCRAFT

According to Zelin, Tu-95MC Bear and Tu-160 Blackjack bombers, Tu-22M3 Backfire long-range bombers and Il-78 Midas aerial tankers will form the backbone of the Russian strategic aviation in the next decade following extensive modernization.

The bombers, in particular, will be equipped with new targeting and navigation systems, which will enable them, in particular, to use conventional unguided bombs with a very high degree of accuracy - effectively engaging any target within 20 meters.

They will also have their operational range increased and their onboard defense systems significantly upgraded, the general said.

In addition, Zelin said Russia had been developing a fifth-generation strategic bomber which could be used effectively in both conventional and nuclear conflicts.

"The new plane will use a wide selection of high-precision weapons, and will have a whole range of new combat capabilities, allowing it to apply new methods to carrying out deterrence tasks," he said.

Russia will also develop in the near future a number of advanced reconnaissance aircraft including a stratospheric plane capable of avoiding enemy air defenses.

"Ultra-high altitude reconnaissance planes will play a key role in future wars because they will be capable of staying in the air for a long time and conduct reconnaissance operations deep into enemy territory while avoiding hostile air defenses," the Air Force commander said.

FRONTLINE AVIATION

The frontline aviation is the core of the Russian Air Force and currently comprises MiG-31B Foxhound interceptors, Su-27 Flanker and MiG-29 Fulcrum fighters, Su-24M Fencer fighter-bombers, Su-25 Frogfoot ground attack aircraft, and MiG-25R Foxbat and Su-24MR Fencer-E tactical reconnaissance aircraft.

Zelin said the Air Force will receive in the next decade not only modernized Su-27SM and MiG-29SMT fighters, but also generation 4++ Su-35S Flanker-E and MiG-35C Fulcrum-F fighters.

"The Russian Defense Ministry will start purchasing large numbers of these aircraft at the beginning of the next decade," the general said.

Meanwhile, Russia's fifth-generation multirole fighter is being developed by the Sukhoi aircraft maker, part of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), along with India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), under a preliminary intergovernmental agreement signed in October 2007.

"Flight tests of the [fifth-generation] aircraft are scheduled to start in the second half of 2009, and the aircraft is expected be put into service in the next few years," the commander said.

He also said Su-24 fighter-bombers will soon be replaced by advanced Su-34 Fullback aircraft.

The general reiterated that Russia will start in 2009 the production of the Su-25UBM, a two-seat version of the Su-25SM.

MILITARY TRANSPORT AVIATION

There are up to 300 transport aircraft in service with the Russian Air Force, including An-12 Cub, An-72 Coaler, An-22 Cock, An-124 Condor and Il-76 Candid planes.

The An-12, An-22, and An-26 planes will be decommissioned in the near future, Zelin said.

The An-26 plane will be replaced by Il-112B light transport aircraft with higher payload capacity and better fuel efficiency.

"The first Il-112 is expected to make its maiden flight in 2011. The Air Force will order over 70 planes of this type," the general said.

The An-12 will be most likely replaced by a medium-haul transport plane jointly-developed by Russia and India, Zelin said.

The plane, with a 20-ton cargo capacity, is expected to go in service with the Russian and Indian air forces in about eight years.

The An-124 and its modernized version, the An-124-100, will remain in service as a strategic heavy airlift transport aircraft. In addition, 12 Il-76 aircraft will be modernized to Il-76MD-90A starting in 2011.

HELICOPTERS

The existing fleet of Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters will be fully replaced with new-generation Mi-28N Night Hunter and Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters by 2015.

"We have started deliveries of Mi-28N helicopters to combat units [in the North Caucasus military district] and plan to re-equip at least one squadron with these aircraft by the year end," Zelin said.

"We are also expecting to complete the tests of the Ka-52 helicopter this year," he added.

The Ka-52 is a twin-seat derivative of the Ka-50 Hokum-A attack helicopter, and is designed primarily for reconnaissance and target designation purposes. It is similar to the U.S. AH-64 Apache attack helicopter.

UAV

The unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) will start playing an increasingly important role in future combat. Given their much lower manufacturing and maintenance costs they could form as much as 40% of the Air Force fleet by 2025, Zelin said.

The Air Force will start receiving domestically-developed attack UAVs in 2011.

"Unmanned and manned aircraft will complement one another, and must be able to accomplish a full range of combat missions in regional or local conflicts," the general said.





Russia to start flight tests of 5th-generation fighter
Air Force News — By RIA Novosti on May 12, 2009 at 2:59 am

http://www.defencetalk.com/russia-to-start-flight-tests-of-5th-generation-fighter-18739/

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KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR: A Russian deputy prime minister said Monday that flight tests of a fifth-generation fighter will start in Russia by the end of 2009.

"By the end of this year, the plane will rise into the air and flight tests will begin," Sergei Ivanov told journalists after a shipbuilding meeting in the Far East, adding that serial production will start in 2010.

Russia's advanced multirole fighter is being developed by the Sukhoi aircraft maker, part of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), along with India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), under a preliminary intergovernmental agreement signed in October 2007.

The first prototype is scheduled to make its maiden flight before the end of 2009.






Russia building new ’star wars’ missiles: air force
Missiles & Bombs News — By Agence France-Presse on August 12, 2009 at 8:18 am

http://www.defencetalk.com/russia-building-new-star-wars-missiles-air-force-21094/

Moscow: Russia is developing new missiles to counter space-based missile systems that could soon be deployed by the United States, Russia's air force commander was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

"We are building new missiles that will be capable of defending not only against air-defence systems but space-based systems," General Alexander Zelin said, quoted by Russian news agencies.

The United States and other countries will have deployed such satellite-based missile systems capable of striking any target in Russia by 2030, he said.

"Foreign air forces, above of all the United States, will acquire the capability to deal time-synchronized precision strikes on a global scale at virtually any target on Russia territory," Zelin said.

The threat "is not virtual, but real," he added.

To counter such potential, Russia has begun work on the S-500 surface-to-air missile system that would have ballistic missile tracking capabilities and aim at a range of up to 3,500 kilometers, according to defence reports.

"The S-500 system is capable of defeating all manner of ballistic missiles and supersonic air devices," Zelin said.

Moscow vehemently opposes US plans to site a missile defence shield in Eastern Europe and has reacted warily to plans under the previous US administration it claimed had accelerated the militarisation of outer space.

Washington insists its shield plan is not directed against Russia but threats from "rogue states" such as Iran.

Last year, when the US military was planning to shoot down a rogue US spy satellite, Russia's defence ministry said the plans looked like a veiled weapons test and an "attempt to move the arms race into space."

Both Russia and China have proposed a new treaty banning the use of weapons in space, but the idea was rejected by the White House.




Now gee, who do you suppose the Russians have in mind when fielding these systems?

We are a nation of fools led by fools. And if we aren't lucky, that will be our downfall. While we are doing away with the very technologies we need to counter highly advanced threats like the Russians (the F-22, FCS, new self propelled artillery, new naval cruisers and destroyers, etc), they are specifically designing and building the sort of hardware they need to take us on. And they are being quite open about their intent. But the clowns in charge of our defense seem to be suggesting that these very real things we are witnessing with our own eyes are merely illusions.

Unreal. That seems to indicate one of two things to me: Either Gates and Obama really are stupid, or worse, perhaps they are intentionally seeking to weaken us militarily. What other options exist?

I hope and pray that a new study, perhaps the 2010 Quadrennial Defense Review, will recommend producing more F-22s, developing a replacement for the M109A6 Paladin, and doing something about our dwindling Naval power. Outside something like this happening, I just don't see the defense minded having enough leverage to overcome Obama and Gates in Congress. That would only mean the slide continues until 2012, by which time hopefully America will have woke up and decide to vote this Jimmy Carter wannabe out of office.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 5:25:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 5:32:06 PM EST
I'm sorry to say that I don't think Gates has been up to the task for a bit.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 5:37:42 PM EST
The Russians are seeing major improvements in their offensive and defensive avionics due to help from the French and Italians.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 5:38:45 PM EST
i hate to say we as americans are allowing communist china and russia to get ahead of us by our own spending habits. americans need to invest in america. that means buying american made products. i could care less if a product is made by union labor. i just want the products to be made by american citizens here in the usa. manufacturing builds wealth. thats personal wealth and national wealth!
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 5:39:02 PM EST
Yeah...

As a former ADA...this needs to be watched.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 5:41:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Yeah...

As a former ADA...this needs to be watched.


I agree. It needs to be watched. Some critical questions are:
-what are the proposed delivery time-frames?
-what will their force structure look like? (They said 70% of their air force will be modernized, so how many aircraft are they talking about?)
-where are they deploying their aircraft?
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 6:38:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
i hate to say we as americans are allowing communist china and russia to get ahead of us by our own spending habits. americans need to invest in america. that means buying american made products. i could care less if a product is made by union labor. i just want the products to be made by american citizens here in the usa. manufacturing builds wealth. thats personal wealth and national wealth!


The only way that's gonna happen... the only way factories, etc, will come back to America... will be for us to manage to get rid of all the liberal loony environmental rules, regulations, fees, taxes, etc, etc, etc... that have been heaped on us mainly since the 1970's. Business can't _afford_ to stay here unless we make the country hospitable to business the way it was before there was any EPA or EEOC, etc. Government is killing the nation, and the only answer is a return to true freedom.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 6:41:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By dport:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Yeah...

As a former ADA...this needs to be watched.


I agree. It needs to be watched. Some critical questions are:
-what are the proposed delivery time-frames?
-what will their force structure look like? (They said 70% of their air force will be modernized, so how many aircraft are they talking about?)
-where are they deploying their aircraft?


If they keep their force size the same or anywhere close to where it is now, yet replace their older systems such as MiG-23s, MiG-25s and Su-24s with aircraft such as the MiG-35, Su-35 and Su-34, then that poses a VERY SERIOUS world threat. All of those aircraft are very modern and capable. I'd argue that the Su-35 is at least equal or superior to anything we have in service, minus the F-22. Even a couple hundred of those would greatly enhance Russia's air to air capabilities.
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 10:55:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 3:01:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Originally Posted By dport:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Yeah...

As a former ADA...this needs to be watched.


I agree. It needs to be watched. Some critical questions are:
-what are the proposed delivery time-frames?
-what will their force structure look like? (They said 70% of their air force will be modernized, so how many aircraft are they talking about?)
-where are they deploying their aircraft?


If they keep their force size the same or anywhere close to where it is now, yet replace their older systems such as MiG-23s, MiG-25s and Su-24s with aircraft such as the MiG-35, Su-35 and Su-34, then that poses a VERY SERIOUS world threat. All of those aircraft are very modern and capable. I'd argue that the Su-35 is at least equal or superior to anything we have in service, minus the F-22. Even a couple hundred of those would greatly enhance Russia's air to air capabilities.


The question is can they maintain their current size and upgrade at the same time. Not to mention if they do try to maintain their current size, will they be able to afford to train and maintain pilot proficiency.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 3:06:00 AM EST
Their buildup will peak in 2012; after that, they will be running amok in "the near abroad".
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 3:23:40 AM EST
The saying History repeats itself is true. This is quite a reminder of the carter years
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 3:37:33 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/13/2009 4:57:39 AM EST
In Soviet Russia, Carter-Obama is a great hero.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 5:08:15 AM EST
Why is it that whenever a R official like gates stays on in a new Liberal administration, they always without a beat completely turn liberal and follow all of their new lib masters rules without any kind of resitance?
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 5:13:01 AM EST
Meh, they cant project power here (mainland US) anywhere else we should let them have. US World Police needs to have a good reason to quit and bring our people home instead of dying in shitholes where the people that live there dont even care enough to fight for it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 10:09:35 AM EST
BTW, another thing about the F-22..........it is the ONLY tactical aircraft in our entire inventory that can fight and survive within the engagement envelope of the Russian S-400 SAM system, their newest and best system. The only other aircraft we have which might be able to do that is the B-2 bomber. And we only possess about 20 of those. The F-35 won't even be stealthy enough to achieve this.

Also, the latest Russian double-digit SAM systems are designed to be extremely difficult to jam. The S-300 and S-400 are also capable of reaching out to very long ranges. Combine that with the fact that these newer systems are highly mobile, designed for shoot and scoot tactics, and it is easy to see that DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses) against these will be highly problematic.

So folks, if we don't currently have the means to suppress these systems with our Wild Weasels and jammers (and I'm not at all confident our ALQ-99 jamming pods can deal with the S-400 system), nor do we have an excellent capability of locating and destroying them, just how are we suppose to fight in such an environment? We will only possess a little over 200 aircraft that can even survive in such an environment. That is not enough, especially if this small number of F-22s and B-2s will be required to perform air dominance, attack and SEAD/DEAD roles. And unless we want to see losses equal to or greater than that which our attack aircraft faced over North Vietnam, it will be that small number of highly stealthy aircraft carrying out missions in an environment with those Russian air defense systems. F-15s can't do it. F-16s can't do it. F-18s can't do it. B-52s can't do it. B-1Bs can't do it. At least none of these can do so without the high risk of suffering MASSIVE losses.

We had enough problems as it was facing the Serb air defenses in 1999. And they were using systems older and less capable than the current Russian IADS. They were also far fewer in number than what we might expect to encounter against a sizable, powerful enemy, such as the Russians or Chinese. Hell, even a nation like Iran could cause us tons of problems with just a small number of these weapons.

If our leaders had any sense at all, they would pushed the F-22 buy out to the total numbers originally being considered....500+. And that is not because we need that many Raptors to maintain air dominance. We could do that with far fewer F-22s. But we need a much larger F-22 force for the simple reason that it is our only fighter that can go toe to toe with the S-400 SAM system and survive. If we ever get into a fight with a decent military who has such systems, we will not only need the F-22 to dominate the skies, but also to carry out the bulk of ground attack missions, until and unless these advanced SAM systems are eliminated. You can't effectively do all that with a mere 187 Raptors.

I sure do hope that in future years, we only face a Taliban-like enemy. Because the road that Obama and Gates are taking us down will leave us highly vulnerable to any nation who possesses these latest Russian designed air defenses. The F-22 program appears it will end at 187 aircraft, barring a miracle. And we sure as hell aren't going to be adding any B-2s to the fleet. Our next best hope, the 2018 bomber, also now appears to be in trouble as well. What we'll be left with is a force made up mostly of older aircraft designs, many of which were products of the 1970s, along with some F-35s. And 95% of that force won't be survivable within the engagement envelope of the S-400 system. That is a damn scary prospect.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:27:13 AM EST
I'm willing to bet the F-35's RCS of a golf ball is good enough for the S-300/S-400 families despite what the morons from APA say. Hard to jam? Well, discussion of that would get into the most classified of our systems. I'm willing to bet our EW systems are more than up for the task considering what some of our own systems can do to our own radars.

As for our 4th and 4.5 generation aircraft we do have things like AGM-88E, and land-based radars are subject to the laws of physics (see radar horizon). We're also developing the HSAD. Basically, a ramjet powered HARM.
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