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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:05:18 AM EST
Logic is the same
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:10:22 AM EST
Well, technically your second hand is resting on your first hand, so it's really not touching the gun, therefore your still only using one hand to touch and fire the gun, hence not illegal. Clear as mud for us.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:15:32 AM EST
So AR pistol can have AFG, but not be used as intended? When did this issue get addressed?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:17:09 AM EST
What if you have a Glock 19 with a 33 round mag, and you hold the grip with one hand and the magazine with the other?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:18:33 AM EST
Probably never; logic is not universally applied.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:20:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MMcfpd:
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I'm not sure Logic has anything to do with it.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:20:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GomerPyle:
What if you have a Glock 19 with a 33 round mag, and you hold the grip with one hand and the magazine with the other?
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then you fail at shooting
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:20:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:
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somebody better write a letter!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:21:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bakkbakk:


then you fail at shooting
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Originally Posted By GomerPyle:
What if you have a Glock 19 with a 33 round mag, and you hold the grip with one hand and the magazine with the other?


then you fail at shooting


But, but....it really helps you drive your weapon system!

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:22:39 AM EST
what about one handed guys sholdering sig braces?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:23:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:
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Why dont you write the ATF a letter for clarification.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:26:07 AM EST
Please, make it stop.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:27:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By nchapa:

Why dont you write the ATF a letter for clarification.
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Originally Posted By nchapa:
Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:
So AR pistol can have AFG, but not be used as intended? When did this issue get addressed?

Why dont you write the ATF a letter for clarification.
It can be there but you cannot touch it
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:32:52 AM EST
enough of this crap. Some idiot wrote a letter to the atf, and the atf issued (IMO) an ambiguous response. Yet that response is/has been expected for a long time. People bought the brace to shoulder it, not to wrap it around their arm. I have only ever seen one person strap it to their arm, and that was last weekend.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:32:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
It can be there but you cannot touch it
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Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:
So AR pistol can have AFG, but not be used as intended? When did this issue get addressed?

Why dont you write the ATF a letter for clarification.
It can be there but you cannot touch it

glock19, maybe you should get this thread shut down before some clown does write them
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:34:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
It can be there but you cannot touch it
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Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:
So AR pistol can have AFG, but not be used as intended? When did this issue get addressed?

Why dont you write the ATF a letter for clarification.
It can be there but you cannot touch it

Because you redesign it once you do.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:39:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2015 11:39:32 AM EST by p226guy]
So if you shoulder a buffer tube is it now a stock?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:41:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GomerPyle:
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everyone knows that extended mag is called a "should thing that goes down"
you rest the floor plate on your "homies" shoulder.


in all seriousness some one should write a letter asking for clarification.















Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:41:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2015 11:42:39 AM EST by www-glock19-com]
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Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:

glock19, maybe you should get this thread shut down before some clown does write them
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Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By nchapa:
Originally Posted By YukonBoy03:
So AR pistol can have AFG, but not be used as intended? When did this issue get addressed?

Why dont you write the ATF a letter for clarification.
It can be there but you cannot touch it

glock19, maybe you should get this thread shut down before some clown does write them
that ship sailed long ago
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/521017_.html
but IIRC there is not conflicting letters out there....yet

personally I have always stayed away from this sort of grey area envelope pushing stuff myself *shrug*
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:50:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By benw8887:
Well, technically your second hand is resting on your first hand, so it's really not touching the gun, therefore your still only using one hand to touch and fire the gun, hence not illegal. Clear as mud for us.
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Not exactly. Palm of support hand makes contact with the frame, thumbs forward grip is making contact with the frame. ATF is dumb. People are dumbing for spotlighting the Sig brace to the ATF. Everyone knew it was a workaround to applying for a tax stamp. Oh well.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:09:12 PM EST
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Not exactly. Palm of support hand makes contact with the frame, thumbs forward grip is making contact with the frame. ATF is dumb. People are dumbing for spotlighting the Sig brace to the ATF. Everyone knew it was a workaround to applying for a tax stamp. Oh well.
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Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By benw8887:
Well, technically your second hand is resting on your first hand, so it's really not touching the gun, therefore your still only using one hand to touch and fire the gun, hence not illegal. Clear as mud for us.


Not exactly. Palm of support hand makes contact with the frame, thumbs forward grip is making contact with the frame. ATF is dumb. People are dumbing for spotlighting the Sig brace to the ATF. Everyone knew it was a workaround to applying for a tax stamp. Oh well.
Better be careful with a high retention position too , don't let the grip contact your torso



Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:18:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By benw8887:
Well, technically your second hand is resting on your first hand, so it's really not touching the gun, therefore your still only using one hand to touch and fire the gun, hence not illegal. Clear as mud for us.
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The beloved by many Glock has a hooked trigger guard, the only reason for the hook is to keep a finger of your second hand from slipping while firing said Glock.
Therefore it was designed for two handed firing. It's a AOW if the letter is correct.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:08:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By benw8887:
Well, technically your second hand is resting on your first hand, so it's really not touching the gun, therefore your still only using one hand to touch and fire the gun, hence not illegal. Clear as mud for us.
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I'm one of the few folks who use their weak hand index finger on the front of the trigger guard, so both my hands are definitely touching the pistol. When did this become a criminal act? Why is the man telling me how to use my tools? Freedom? 'Merica!
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:06:48 PM EST
It's happening!!



I'll be in the Fo Bunker...
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:10:07 PM EST
It all makes sense when you remember that handguns were originally NFA items and were only excluded at the last second.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:10:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:15:30 PM EST
If I use the open letter to wipe my ass, did I redesign it into toilet paper?


Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:17:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:


Write a letter and find out.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
So if you shoulder a buffer tube is it now a stock?


Write a letter and find out.


Stop encouraging them!



Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:17:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
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When you put a vertical grip on it.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:24:55 PM EST


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