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Posted: 7/25/2013 12:25:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/25/2013 12:25:22 PM EST by Kid_Sampson]
A couple of months back I went to Las Vegas to celebrate my cousin's batchelor party with a fellow cousin and 5 of their friends, several of whom are mutual friends.

One of the days we were there, we went to the Hard Rock to chill by the pool. I had no intention of going, but a buddy talked me into doing it by saying "If we all put in $90 dollars, we get are own personal cabana, and are own personal waitress.Since I don't gamble, I was just going to spend my day in our room at the Cosmopolitan watching TV. So I said fuck it, bought some sandals, and went with them.

Some of our/their buddies got there 20 mins before us and they had already starting racking up an impressive tab. I usualy love to drink, but since it was 1PM and hot as hell outside, I just had a budlight, and a glass of booze punch. Well after an hour, they are still ordering shots/drinks at a fast rate, ther game plan was to by shots for broads inorder to try to get laid, which never worked out for them sadly enough.

Anyways, one of guys gets really drunk and calls the waitress over, he asks how much a bottle of Patron is, she says $450, he says "Fuck it, get me one". All of us were shocked and we told him not to do it, but he insisted. So she comes back with the bottle, and he asks how much a bottle of Johnny Walker Black is, she says $500. At that point we all surronded him and told him that he is crazy and to not even think of ordering it. Of course he declares that he's been saving up for 6 months and doesn't give a fuck, so he places the order.

They keep trying to hand out booze to entice broads, for the next hour and proceed to get pretty trashed. The one that ordered the bottles got so trashed, me and one of my cousins had to carry him out of the Hard Rock and escort him to the 58th floor of the hotel. At that point, I volunteered to stay behind to make sure he didn't die. So my cousin went back to join the party.

About 2hrs later they show up, trashed, and the one who opened the tab and ordered most of the drinks lost his wallet so of course he was in a horrible mood. Later on, the subject comes up about the total amount spent, though they had said we were going to spend $90 each, due to all the shots it came out to a lot more. To make matters worse, though the guy who ordered the bottles, admitted that he was responsible and was willing to cover the $950 on his own. The dude who put the entire tab on his card, insisted that we would all help pay. While several of us did not agree with that, we didn't say anything at the time in order to not ruin the trip.

So a week after the trip, he texts me asking me about the money, so I take out $100 a give it to a buddy to give to him, ever since then whenever I see him he makes comments like “ yeah let me know when you have the rest of my money”, which I just generally blow off.

He texted me about an hour ago saying he needs me to deposit $170 into his account. Out of principle I feel like I owe him nothing more. I had one bud light, one mixed drink, and I made one Johnny and water with the bottle our buddy ordered. Aside from that I had a couple of buffalo wings and a slice of pizza from the platter we ordered. I myself ordered nothing, and the guy that is demanding the money is responsible for drinking and handing out most of the bottles.

So would I be wrong to tell him to fuck off?












Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:27:18 PM EST
I'd tell him to ask that guy who got fucked up to pay his own tab.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:29:23 PM EST
Ditto, pay his own tab
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:30:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/25/2013 12:31:19 PM EST by JamesP81]
I assume you threw in the $90 originally needed to be part of the personal cabana.

If so, I would explain to him politely and courteously that you've already paid in more money than what you ordered would've cost.

If that's not good enough and he gets shitty, then tell him to fuck off. JMO.

EDIT: and I agree with Undefined. The guy that got trashed can clean up his own mess.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:30:08 PM EST
I avoid these situations by not having any friends.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:30:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/25/2013 12:31:46 PM EST by Natron11]
Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
A couple of months back I went to Las Vegas to celebrate my cousin's batchelor party with a fellow cousin and 5 of their friends, several of whom are mutual friends.

One of the days we were there, we went to the Hard Rock to chill by the pool. I had no intention of going, but a buddy talked me into doing it by saying "If we all put in $90 dollars, we get are own personal cabana, and are own personal waitress.Since I don't gamble, I was just going to spend my day in our room at the Cosmopolitan watching TV. So I said fuck it, bought some sandals, and went with them.

Some of our/their buddies got there 20 mins before us and they had already starting racking up an impressive tab. I usualy love to drink, but since it was 1PM and hot as hell outside, I just had a budlight, and a glass of booze punch. Well after an hour, they are still ordering shots/drinks at a fast rate, ther game plan was to by shots for broads inorder to try to get laid, which never worked out for them sadly enough.

Anyways, one of guys gets really drunk and calls the waitress over, he asks how much a bottle of Patron is, she says $450, he says "Fuck it, get me one". All of us were shocked and we told him not to do it, but he insisted. So she comes back with the bottle, and he asks how much a bottle of Johnny Walker Black is, she says $500. At that point we all surronded him and told him that he is crazy and to not even think of ordering it. Of course he declares that he's been saving up for 6 months and doesn't give a fuck, so he places the order.

They keep trying to hand out booze to entice broads, for the next hour and proceed to get pretty trashed. The one that ordered the bottles got so trashed, me and one of my cousins had to carry him out of the Hard Rock and escort him to the 58th floor of the hotel. At that point, I volunteered to stay behind to make sure he didn't die. So my cousin went back to join the party.

About 2hrs later they show up, trashed, and the one who opened the tab and ordered most of the drinks lost his wallet so of course he was in a horrible mood. Later on, the subject comes up about the total amount spent, though they had said we were going to spend $90 each, due to all the shots it came out to a lot more. To make matters worse, though the guy who ordered the bottles, admitted that he was responsible and was willing to cover the $950 on his own. The dude who put the entire tab on his card, insisted that we would all help pay. While several of us did not agree with that, we didn't say anything at the time in order to not ruin the trip.

So a week after the trip, he texts me asking me about the money, so I take out $100 a give it to a buddy to give to him, ever since then whenever I see him he makes comments like “ yeah let me know when you have the rest of my money”, which I just generally blow off.

He texted me about an hour ago saying he needs me to deposit $170 into his account. Out of principle I feel like I owe him nothing more. I had one bud light, one mixed drink, and I made one Johnny and water with the bottle our buddy ordered. Aside from that I had a couple of buffalo wings and a slice of pizza from the platter we ordered. I myself ordered nothing, and the guy that is demanding the money is responsible for drinking and handing out most of the bottles.

So would I be wrong to tell him to fuck off?












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I have seen the Mr. big shot types a lot.
Pay him what you think is fair and move on.
If he doesn't like it, tough shit for him...he wanted to order it all.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:31:14 PM EST
I would explain to him exactly what you drank/ate, and pay for that only. If he gives you shit, and he probably will from the sound of things, I would tell him to eff himself.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:31:51 PM EST
Tell the moron that if you play silly games, you win silly prizes...
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:34:45 PM EST
Not cheap, but if you ordered $40 worth of shit..
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:35:16 PM EST
He knows he's wrong to expect more from you, but he's still trying to hit you up for the money because it can't hurt.

Don't be a pushover.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:36:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
A couple of months back I went to Las Vegas to celebrate my cousin's batchelor party with a fellow cousin and 5 of their friends, several of whom are mutual friends.

One of the days we were there, we went to the Hard Rock to chill by the pool. I had no intention of going, but a buddy talked me into doing it by saying "If we all put in $90 dollars, we get are own personal cabana, and are own personal waitress.Since I don't gamble, I was just going to spend my day in our room at the Cosmopolitan watching TV. So I said fuck it, bought some sandals, and went with them.

Some of our/their buddies got there 20 mins before us and they had already starting racking up an impressive tab. I usualy love to drink, but since it was 1PM and hot as hell outside, I just had a budlight, and a glass of booze punch. Well after an hour, they are still ordering shots/drinks at a fast rate, ther game plan was to by shots for broads inorder to try to get laid, which never worked out for them sadly enough.

Anyways, one of guys gets really drunk and calls the waitress over, he asks how much a bottle of Patron is, she says $450, he says "Fuck it, get me one". All of us were shocked and we told him not to do it, but he insisted. So she comes back with the bottle, and he asks how much a bottle of Johnny Walker Black is, she says $500. At that point we all surronded him and told him that he is crazy and to not even think of ordering it. Of course he declares that he's been saving up for 6 months and doesn't give a fuck, so he places the order.

They keep trying to hand out booze to entice broads, for the next hour and proceed to get pretty trashed. The one that ordered the bottles got so trashed, me and one of my cousins had to carry him out of the Hard Rock and escort him to the 58th floor of the hotel. At that point, I volunteered to stay behind to make sure he didn't die. So my cousin went back to join the party.

About 2hrs later they show up, trashed, and the one who opened the tab and ordered most of the drinks lost his wallet so of course he was in a horrible mood. Later on, the subject comes up about the total amount spent, though they had said we were going to spend $90 each, due to all the shots it came out to a lot more. To make matters worse, though the guy who ordered the bottles, admitted that he was responsible and was willing to cover the $950 on his own. The dude who put the entire tab on his card, insisted that we would all help pay. While several of us did not agree with that, we didn't say anything at the time in order to not ruin the trip.

So a week after the trip, he texts me asking me about the money, so I take out $100 a give it to a buddy to give to him, ever since then whenever I see him he makes comments like “ yeah let me know when you have the rest of my money”, which I just generally blow off.

He texted me about an hour ago saying he needs me to deposit $170 into his account. Out of principle I feel like I owe him nothing more. I had one bud light, one mixed drink, and I made one Johnny and water with the bottle our buddy ordered. Aside from that I had a couple of buffalo wings and a slice of pizza from the platter we ordered. I myself ordered nothing, and the guy that is demanding the money is responsible for drinking and handing out most of the bottles.

So would I be wrong to tell him to fuck off?












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IMO you would be in the wrong. By not speaking up, you made an implicit agreement to the proposal. I don't see how it would have "ruined" anything had you said "I don't think so" at the time, bit it sure is now.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:36:34 PM EST
"Lol. Ya right dude. I had a beer and two drinks lol."
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:37:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/25/2013 12:38:16 PM EST by AlamTX]
Tell him to pick a testicle to suck.

I hate pushy douchebags who get drunk then expect everyone to accept their shitty behavior "because I was drunk". I've seen it way too many times in my bartending days. The drunk guy who ordered the bottles of liquor and shots to get some pussy needs to pay.

God, I hate drunk douches
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:39:22 PM EST
sounds kinda communistic, don't it?
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:40:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/25/2013 12:41:21 PM EST by OnlytheTip]
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:42:25 PM EST
you should have spoke up when the guy who paid the tab volunteered your money.

Your kind of a dick to go back on it now but i would maybe talk to the guy that got all fucked up and ordered the bottles and ask him to pay your part...

I never understood ordering a bottle at the clubs here, walk out the casino or club and go get the same bottle for $30 across the street.

Good way to get girls back to your room too
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:44:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.
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No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:46:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/25/2013 12:50:23 PM EST by Slare]
I mean no disrespect by this but I think it totally depends on how good these friends are and how much $170 is to you. I have a few friends that I would spend a month's pay on and never ask for anything about it, but being good friends it would work itself out one way or another.

But, I also have acquaintances that I wouldn't give more than $5.

PS, the CC guy should not have made that decision for everyone. He should be talking to the big spender.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:46:35 PM EST
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No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.
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Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.



No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.

Is this guy a close friend?
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:47:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JamesP81:
I assume you threw in the $90 originally needed to be part of the personal cabana.

If so, I would explain to him politely and courteously that you've already paid in more money than what you ordered would've cost.

If that's not good enough and he gets shitty, then tell him to fuck off. JMO.

EDIT: and I agree with Undefined. The guy that got trashed can clean up his own mess.
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this.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:48:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gspointer:

IMO you would be in the wrong. By not speaking up, you made an implicit agreement to the proposal. I don't see how it would have "ruined" anything had you said "I don't think so" at the time, bit it sure is now.
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He helped to the tune of $100, which was more than his share.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:48:48 PM EST
I see this shit all the time as a bartender. As long as you did not agree to equally split the tab, you don't owe any more than what you ordered plus a percentage for tip. And from the sound of it, the $100 you pitched already should be more than adequate. Tell the guy to get fucked.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:49:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:



No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.
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Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.



No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.

In that case I'd throw in a few more bucks. $50, max.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:49:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlamTX:

Is this guy a close friend?
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Originally Posted By AlamTX:
Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.



No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.

Is this guy a close friend?


Nope, he friends with my cousins, I've only hung out with him a handfull of times before. I've told my cousins and some of the guys who were there my thoughts, and they agree I shouldn't have to pay anymore.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:50:25 PM EST
He's an idiot, and you should have left as soon as he started his drunken stupidity.

That being said, it's still his drunken stupidity and it's up to him to find a way out of it.

I wouldn't give him a dime.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:50:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:


Nope, he friends with my cousins, I've only hung out with him a handfull of times before. I've told my cousins and some of the guys who were there my thoughts, and they agree I shouldn't have to pay anymore.
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Originally Posted By AlamTX:
Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.



No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.

Is this guy a close friend?


Nope, he friends with my cousins, I've only hung out with him a handfull of times before. I've told my cousins and some of the guys who were there my thoughts, and they agree I shouldn't have to pay anymore.

It seems you have a consensus from the people that were there and from ARFCOM. The only question is how you will word it in telling him to get bent.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:51:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gspointer:


IMO you would be in the wrong. By not speaking up, you made an implicit agreement to the proposal. I don't see how it would have "ruined" anything had you said "I don't think so" at the time, bit it sure is now.
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Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:

About 2hrs later they show up, trashed, and the one who opened the tab and ordered most of the drinks lost his wallet so of course he was in a horrible mood. Later on, the subject comes up about the total amount spent, though they had said we were going to spend $90 each, due to all the shots it came out to a lot more. To make matters worse, though the guy who ordered the bottles, admitted that he was responsible and was willing to cover the $950 on his own. The dude who put the entire tab on his card, insisted that we would all help pay. While several of us did not agree with that, we didn't say anything at the time in order to not ruin the trip.



IMO you would be in the wrong. By not speaking up, you made an implicit agreement to the proposal. I don't see how it would have "ruined" anything had you said "I don't think so" at the time, bit it sure is now.


This. You agreed to it by not speaking up.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:52:12 PM EST
TL:DR

i'm going to go with "probably"
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:52:30 PM EST
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Ditto.

You paid your share too bad for the rest of the drunks.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:52:34 PM EST
Tell him to fuck of and stop brushing it off...
He made his bed... he can lay in it.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:53:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:


This. You agreed to it by not speaking up.
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Originally Posted By Gspointer:
Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:

About 2hrs later they show up, trashed, and the one who opened the tab and ordered most of the drinks lost his wallet so of course he was in a horrible mood. Later on, the subject comes up about the total amount spent, though they had said we were going to spend $90 each, due to all the shots it came out to a lot more. To make matters worse, though the guy who ordered the bottles, admitted that he was responsible and was willing to cover the $950 on his own. The dude who put the entire tab on his card, insisted that we would all help pay. While several of us did not agree with that, we didn't say anything at the time in order to not ruin the trip.



IMO you would be in the wrong. By not speaking up, you made an implicit agreement to the proposal. I don't see how it would have "ruined" anything had you said "I don't think so" at the time, bit it sure is now.


This. You agreed to it by not speaking up.

The guy who racked up the tab didn't ask for their permission ahead of time and seems like he was about to throw a fit so people agreed just to shut him up.

Sounds like he needs to learn his lesson.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:54:55 PM EST
I'm from Vegas, therefor I'm the authority here


You're in the right. You agreed on $90 (which is a pretty reasonable and typical arrangement for chilling at a cabana). Drunk-ass decided to go baller status, you guys gave him a chance to check himself and he went for it anyway.

He had fun, he did what he wanted, and he knew the consequences. Tell credit card boy to quit being a little bitch, and to chase the money down from the man who said he would cover it, twice.
If you had been pouring shots out of those bottles, than I would feel differently. But you made your choice to not blow wads of cash, and drank accordingly.




And for future reference, NEVER pay full price for bottles. You have a group of 8 people, you speak with a VIP host ahead of time, make up some shit about a bachelor party, and ask what they can do for you.
85% you will get a discount, 2-1 or half-price bottles, free cabana with a minimum purchase, etc. Make it 5 chicks and 3 dudes, and that first bottle will be free with some sort of food minimum.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:56:32 PM EST
You are right and wrong

Right in that you shouldn't have to pay his bar tab

Wrong for wanting to stay in your hotel room watching TV in Vegas just because you don't gamble. Too much cool stuff to see and do in Vegas that doesn't involve gambling or even spending a lot of money.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:57:05 PM EST
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It seems you have a consensus from the people that were there and from ARFCOM. The only question is how you will word it in telling him to get bent.
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Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By AlamTX:
Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.



No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.

Is this guy a close friend?


Nope, he friends with my cousins, I've only hung out with him a handfull of times before. I've told my cousins and some of the guys who were there my thoughts, and they agree I shouldn't have to pay anymore.

It seems you have a consensus from the people that were there and from ARFCOM. The only question is how you will word it in telling him to get bent.


IMO, there's no downside to being courteous until you have a reason not to.

I would start out being polite, courteous, but firm. If he gets a case of the ass and wants to be that way about it, tell him to FOAD.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:58:01 PM EST
if he's a friend, give him the money and always ask for separate checks in the future.


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No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.
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Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
The $90.00 only bought you a ticket to the party. If you paid for your own drinks during that party, you owe nothing. If those drinks were on a tab, you owe for those drinks and a tip.

I hope everyone learned a lesson.



No the $90 was to the tab, because they said that's all we were going to put in, and I actually ended up giving him $100. Once again I myself ordered nothing, the beer came from a bucket my cousin ordered, as did the punch.

What also pisses me off, is that while I was in the hotel making sure his buddy didn't die, he was still at the pool ordering god knows what.


Cabana's cost money and they usually come with a hefty minimum order amount. If they said the $90.00 included drinks, they lied. Cabana's at Rehab cost decent coin, and when I was in Vegas we all coughed up $200.00 and that didn't include food or drinks, we had 8 guys go in on $200.00 each just for the cabana (the tip was 30% and mandatory). We had a pretty good spot and I know six of the guys got laid that night. I left early and my total was around $450.00, I bought a front of the shelf bottle for the groom to be. I'm cheap, and Darcy's info would have been good to know at the time.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:00:55 PM EST
If I went to a bachelor party in Vegas and only found myself out $270 bucks, I'd be thrilled. Hell, I'd assume I must have won big at a table game at some point in the night.

If you decide to pool together on a tab, you sealed your fate right at that moment. Live and learn, but don't stiff.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:02:34 PM EST
this comes up a lot at bottle service places.

here's the deal: of course you're on the hook for the $90 cabana and the drinks that you ordered. if you were not on a separate tab, then you need to kick in for that if it hasn't already been covered. the real issue is for the bottle service. you were not part of that decision, and it sounds like you actively pushed against it. but then you had a drink out of it, so you became involved. even one drink connects you to that bottle.

now, the tab falls on the guy who ordered it--that's a fundamental rule for drinking out. him trying to back out of covering it is like welching on a bet, period. it's not poor form for him to say "it'd be great if you guys kicked in", but unless it's worked out beforehand, the guy who orders is financially responsible. so the 3rd party who covered for the guy who ordered and then lost his wallet only has a problem with the guy who ordered--the responsible party. that's who he should be collecting from.

here's why bottle service is a bad idea. you guys probably got a 750ml bottle for $500. 750ml is equal to 20.7 standard portions of liquor. so assuming that you only poured 1.25 oz of JWB (which would have tasted very weak), that one drink ran you about $25. then you have to think about the tip, so call it $30.

this is what i would do--these guys are your friends, and money can do weird things to friendships. i would take the bull by the horns, go to the guy who is trying to collect, and explain what i just laid out. if you've already contributed $100 on top of the $90+drinks that you were on the hook for, then you've significantly overcontributed--you've bought a lot of booze for other people. if a hundred is all that you've contributed at this point, then you haven't pulled your weight yet. if the latter is the case, then i would kick in $75--triple what you drank--and make it clear that you're overcontributing because you want to help out. you don't owe that money--you're helping a guy. you're saying (with a smile) "i know it sucks, so i'm kicking in for a lot more than i drank because we're friends".

if he gets bent out of shape about that, then it's on him. there's nothing you can do to make it better. and if you lose the friendship over money, then it wasn't really a friendship to begin with.



TL/DR: a fair total contribution, including some extra to help out, would be around $175. based on your story, no one can validly accuse you of not pulling your weight if you go this route.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:04:50 PM EST
I think you failed a little by blowing it off for so long and not squashing it right away.

I won't pay but that's just me.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:07:50 PM EST
I'm planning a bachelor party in Vegas at the moment

You only agreed to $90, and maybe the cost of your drinks. You are not in the wrong.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:11:11 PM EST
$500 for a fifth? What a fucking ripoff.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:11:23 PM EST
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BINGO!
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:12:25 PM EST
Proper response was at the time of the party.

"Too rich for my blood. I'm cashing out. Here's my $90 Bro. Hell, here's an extra $20 for getting to watch everybody act the fool, but I'm out."

Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:14:11 PM EST
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So did you pay 190 or 100 total?

If you agreed to pay 90 for drinks and the spot or the spot and you pay for your own drinks then your good, you paid 100. Tell him you already paid your share and he needs to redo his math. Did you ask him where he came up with you owing him 170?

Now I see the part in red where he insisted you all help pay, you did not agree but did not speak up. At that time you should have said no thanks Ill pass on this little party. You did not and did not speak up, you would owe money.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:16:15 PM EST
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The guy who racked up the tab didn't ask for their permission ahead of time and seems like he was about to throw a fit so people agreed just to shut him up.
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The dude who put the entire tab on his card, insisted that we would all help pay. While several of us did not agree with that, we didn't say anything at the time in order to not ruin the trip.



IMO you would be in the wrong. By not speaking up, you made an implicit agreement to the proposal. I don't see how it would have "ruined" anything had you said "I don't think so" at the time, bit it sure is now.


This. You agreed to it by not speaking up.

The guy who racked up the tab didn't ask for their permission ahead of time and seems like he was about to throw a fit so people agreed just to shut him up.

Sounds like he needs to learn his lesson.

i missed the red bit. kinda depends on how this "insisting" thing worked. the guy who orders is the guy who is financially responsible. the 3rd party who paid by card can't just volunteer everyone else to kick in--he's just a lender at that point. i agree that people should have spoken up (even if just to say "we'll discuss it later"), but if they didn't say "yes we will do that", then they didn't agree. period.

a lot of shit goes down when you're trying to tab out of a bar, especially when you're also dealing with a dysfunctional drunk (at the time) who undertook an obligation and then dumped it on other people. if a guy wants to look like a high roller in front of the ladies, he has to be willing to cover his bets. otherwise he's just a welcher.

i've seen this happen more times than i can count, both as a bar manager and a bar patron. unless agreed upon at the time ("guys, do you want to go in on bottle service?"), then the guy who does the ordering is the financially responsible party. other people can contribute if they choose, but he takes on the debt.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:19:01 PM EST
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Proper response was at the time of the party.

"Too rich for my blood. I'm cashing out. Here's my $90 Bro. Hell, here's an extra $20 for getting to watch everybody act the fool, but I'm out."

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best post yet. regardless of the ultimate responsibility, the OP brought this on himself.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:24:39 PM EST
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I'm planning a bachelor party in Vegas at the moment

You only agreed to $90, and maybe the cost of your drinks. You are not in the wrong.
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There was no entrance fee, the only thing was that we had to have a tab of at least $600, there was 8 of us so $90 was determined to be the amount everybody was going to pitch in.

Of course certain people got drunk and started running the tab up without consulting the rest of the group. If he would have said, guys we reached the $600 mark, people would have either stopped drinking, or opened up separate tabs. Since I never ordered anything myself, it wouldn't have been an issue for me.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:29:39 PM EST
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If you already paid $100 then tell him to FO and get the guy who ordered all the shit to step up and pay, being drunk doesn't give him a pass for being stupid.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:29:43 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:37:00 PM EST
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I'm from Vegas, therefor I'm the authority here


You're in the right. You agreed on $90 (which is a pretty reasonable and typical arrangement for chilling at a cabana). Drunk-ass decided to go baller status, you guys gave him a chance to check himself and he went for it anyway.

He had fun, he did what he wanted, and he knew the consequences. Tell credit card boy to quit being a little bitch, and to chase the money down from the man who said he would cover it, twice.
If you had been pouring shots out of those bottles, than I would feel differently. But you made your choice to not blow wads of cash, and drank accordingly.




And for future reference, NEVER pay full price for bottles. You have a group of 8 people, you speak with a VIP host ahead of time, make up some shit about a bachelor party, and ask what they can do for you.
85% you will get a discount, 2-1 or half-price bottles, free cabana with a minimum purchase, etc. Make it 5 chicks and 3 dudes, and that first bottle will be free with some sort of food minimum.
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We did that for Club Surrender,which we went to the following night. Once again, we all agreed to pay $240 in order to get table/bottle service, and once again we went over the agreed upon limit. Difference is that my date and I drank a good amount (as did everybody else) so I had no problem paying more, I actually ended up paying $320 on the spot instead, but didn't care because I had a fantastic time.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:38:54 PM EST
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Yeah me too.
I'm kind of tired, but from what I gathered your friend seems like an idiot. In no way would I ever give him any more than $90
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