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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:32:03 PM EDT
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what ever happened to the little crank attachment you could buy and it went inside your trigger guard?
same idea, I guess. as long as it's not more than one shot per pull of the trigger. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:32:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: what ever happened to the little crank attachment you could buy and it went inside your trigger guard?  |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:32:50 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:33:32 PM EDT
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what ever happened to the little crank attachment you could buy and it went inside your trigger guard?
I'm trying to think of what it was called... |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:33:56 PM EDT
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Correct. Crank's are a-okay
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:34:02 PM EDT
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what ever happened to the little crank attachment you could buy and it went inside your trigger guard?
I'm trying to think of what it was called... Crankfire? |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:34:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:35:03 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. What about a hamster and a wheel? |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:35:29 PM EDT
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what ever happened to the little crank attachment you could buy and it went inside your trigger guard?
I'm trying to think of what it was called... BMF Activator? I think that you can still get them. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:35:48 PM EDT
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What if you say made a trigger that had 3 stages and each stage fired a shot?
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:35:51 PM EDT
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Officially, I don't know, but IMHO I would say no, it isn't a machine gun because a machine gun uses the power of the round going off to reload itself and fire another round. But what do I know?
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:35:51 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. Because the operation of the electric switch causes more than one round to be fired. You could* mount a solenoid to fire the trigger, and as long as it only caused the trigger to function once for each time it was pressed you'd be fine. Twice and you're a felon. 
* theoretically, and as always subject to the ever churning winds of reversible decision and unreferenceable citation that is the Technical branch
ETA - the crank handle was the BMF activator - basically a 4-lobe cam in a housing with a handle attached that pushed out a rod to operate the trigger. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:35:57 PM EDT
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what ever happened to the little crank attachment you could buy and it went inside your trigger guard?
I'm trying to think of what it was called... BMF Activator? I think that you can still get them. yeah, that! |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:37:53 PM EDT
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The handlebar gun was only the start...the real game changer is when they make the pedals of a bike crank the firing mechanaism.
"We're gunna make a foot pedal cranked masheen gun, a cranked gun has never been done and will be legal to sell without permits" |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:37:59 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. What about a hamster and a wheel? Dude! Write that down and send it to the tech branch! |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:38:24 PM EDT
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What about a mini palm nailer against the trigger?
 Not serious.. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:43:08 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. What about a hamster and a wheel? Dude! Write that down and send it to the tech branch! Amish armaments
ETA: Meet Jebidiah 
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:44:52 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. Because the operation of the electric switch causes more than one round to be fired. You could* mount a solenoid to fire the trigger, and as long as it only caused the trigger to function once for each time it was pressed you'd be fine. Twice and you're a felon.
* theoretically, and as always subject to the ever churning winds of reversible decision and unreferenceable citation that is the Technical branch
ETA - the crank handle was the BMF activator - basically a 4-lobe cam in a housing with a handle attached that pushed out a rod to operate the trigger. Emory Jones makes (or at least did make) a 6 lobe crank for 1919s. But yeah, that would be interesting... solenoid activated trigger that fires as fast as you can tap the button. Wheeee. You could even make it so that the solenoid activated in both states of the button. Press the button = fire. Release the button = fire. Since those are separate conscious acts, that should still count as separate activations of the trigger, right?
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:45:58 PM EDT
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The handlebar gun was only the start...the real game changer is when they make the pedals of a bike crank the firing mechanaism. "We're gunna make a foot pedal cranked masheen gun, a cranked gun has never been done and will be legal to sell without permits" I still think the Calico 2-22 with the flywheel operated toggle cam and the 1919A4(?) style trigger was sheer genius. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:47:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: The handlebar gun was only the start...the real game changer is when they make the pedals of a bike crank the firing mechanaism. "We're gunna make a foot pedal cranked masheen gun, a cranked gun has never been done and will be legal to sell without permits" Hmmm... Now what you need to do is build a mount similar to the Soviet light AA mounts that includes a seat and a clutch that you can engage to traverse the gun/seat using the energy from the pedals. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:51:38 PM EDT
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Gatling guns are Title 1 firearms.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:52:31 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. Because the operation of the electric switch causes more than one round to be fired. You could* mount a solenoid to fire the trigger, and as long as it only caused the trigger to function once for each time it was pressed you'd be fine. Twice and you're a felon.
* theoretically, and as always subject to the ever churning winds of reversible decision and unreferenceable citation that is the Technical branch
ETA - the crank handle was the BMF activator - basically a 4-lobe cam in a housing with a handle attached that pushed out a rod to operate the trigger. So. Is the BMF activator still legal? |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:55:09 PM EDT
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wasn't there some company out there that made a belt fed 5.56 gatling??
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Posted: 8/9/2011 9:03:28 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. Because the operation of the electric switch causes more than one round to be fired. You could* mount a solenoid to fire the trigger, and as long as it only caused the trigger to function once for each time it was pressed you'd be fine. Twice and you're a felon.
* theoretically, and as always subject to the ever churning winds of reversible decision and unreferenceable citation that is the Technical branch
ETA - the crank handle was the BMF activator - basically a 4-lobe cam in a housing with a handle attached that pushed out a rod to operate the trigger. Also, if the FBI gets ahold of it, they can change out parts and keep re-testing until it DOES double, and you go to jail. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 9:19:36 PM EDT
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That secondary device attached to your trigger guard in MN will set you up for a felony firearm violation in MN. YMMV in your state. Gatling gun is still legal though.
It's the secondary trigger device the law is targeted at. Not sure about the stock that slide fires an AR but I wouldn't want to try it. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 9:25:03 PM EDT
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That secondary device attached to your trigger guard in MN will set you up for a felony firearm violation in MN. YMMV in your state. Gatling gun is still legal though. It's the secondary trigger device the law is targeted at. Not sure about the stock that slide fires an AR but I wouldn't want to try it. I have a MN CCW, have friends and family up there and love to visit, but you guys sure have some fuxxored firearms laws.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 9:32:41 PM EDT
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Still available, at least here... 
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:02:19 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. What about a hamster and a wheel? Dude! Write that down and send it to the tech branch! Amish armaments
ETA: Meet Jebidiah http://hamsterdreams.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/20090313-today-hamster11.jpg It's been asked before. A guy on the something awful forums sent the ATF a letter about it, however i cannot find the thread. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:03:44 PM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. Because the operation of the electric switch causes more than one round to be fired. You could* mount a solenoid to fire the trigger, and as long as it only caused the trigger to function once for each time it was pressed you'd be fine. Twice and you're a felon.
* theoretically, and as always subject to the ever churning winds of reversible decision and unreferenceable citation that is the Technical branch
ETA - the crank handle was the BMF activator - basically a 4-lobe cam in a housing with a handle attached that pushed out a rod to operate the trigger. So. Is the BMF activator still legal? yes. $20 at Cabelas http://www.cabelas.com/10-22-accessories-bmf-activator-1.shtml |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:06:15 PM EDT
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That secondary device attached to your trigger guard in MN will set you up for a felony firearm violation in MN. YMMV in your state. Gatling gun is still legal though. It's the secondary trigger device the law is targeted at. Not sure about the stock that slide fires an AR but I wouldn't want to try it. Yep. a 1919 with a crankfire attachment is bad juju up here. But you can buy a real C&R 1919. Go figure.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 12:33:40 AM EDT
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http://www.fastfire.biz/high-tech-spy-devices/crank-fire.jpg Still available, at least here... Nice airsoft gun. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 12:42:12 AM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. What about a hamster and a wheel? Dude! Write that down and send it to the tech branch! Amish armaments
ETA: Meet Jebidiah http://hamsterdreams.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/20090313-today-hamster11.jpg It's been asked before. A guy on the something awful forums sent the ATF a letter about it, however i cannot find the thread. I MUST SEE THIS! |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:33:59 AM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. What about a hamster and a wheel? Dude! Write that down and send it to the tech branch! Amish armaments
ETA: Meet Jebidiah http://hamsterdreams.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/20090313-today-hamster11.jpg It's been asked before. A guy on the something awful forums sent the ATF a letter about it, however i cannot find the thread. What was the response????/ If it were to be aproved. Then guns wouldnt kill people, Hamsters would |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:38:44 AM EDT
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Thats not the crank one I saw. it had an actual handle not some little cup for your finger tip |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:42:08 AM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. put DOWN the motor and step AWAY from the Gatling gun!
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:45:58 AM EDT
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http://www.fastfire.biz/high-tech-spy-devices/crank-fire.jpg Still available, at least here... That with a cordless screwdriver and the right bit to fit the crankscrew in the middle will get you busted for a machinegun, the "trigger" becomes the cordless screwdriver, as long as you hold the button down it fires... 
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:50:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Why??? Local reg? Its not prohibited by anything federal.Quoted: That secondary device attached to your trigger guard in MN will set you up for a felony firearm violation in MN. YMMV in your state. Gatling gun is still legal though. It's the secondary trigger device the law is targeted at. Not sure about the stock that slide fires an AR but I wouldn't want to try it. Yep. a 1919 with a crankfire attachment is bad juju up here. But you can buy a real C&R 1919. Go figure. If you want a crank get a M2 with crank. And yes the crank is a 10 dollar home built I really enjoy   |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:51:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:52:17 AM EDT
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I still think the Calico 2-22 with the flywheel operated toggle cam and the 1919A4(?) style trigger was sheer genius. I'm not familiar with that one. More info, please.  (I tried googling, but only came up with their 100-rd rifles and pistols in .22LR.)
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:09:52 AM EDT
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Just found this online under British Gatling Guns it's in an auction starting bid 600 bucks.It's a .22 caliber version.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:17:41 AM EDT
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I believe that is correct. If you put a motor on it, then it's a machine gun. Because the operation of the electric switch causes more than one round to be fired. You could* mount a solenoid to fire the trigger, and as long as it only caused the trigger to function once for each time it was pressed you'd be fine. Twice and you're a felon.
* theoretically, and as always subject to the ever churning winds of reversible decision and unreferenceable citation that is the Technical branch
ETA - the crank handle was the BMF activator - basically a 4-lobe cam in a housing with a handle attached that pushed out a rod to operate the trigger. thats one....i have one too! |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:20:53 AM EDT
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What about shotguns with two triggers? Is there a limit on how many triggers a gun can have? Or how close there are to each other?
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:25:10 AM EDT
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What about shotguns with two triggers? Is there a limit on how many triggers a gun can have? Or how close there are to each other? It doesn't matter as long as each trigger only fires one shot with the single function of the trigger, 1 shot each time the trigger is pulled and released. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:28:04 AM EDT
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What about shotguns with two triggers? Is there a limit on how many triggers a gun can have? Or how close there are to each other? No |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:34:44 AM EDT
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Why??? Local reg? Its not prohibited by anything federal.
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That secondary device attached to your trigger guard in MN will set you up for a felony firearm violation in MN. YMMV in your state. Gatling gun is still legal though. It's the secondary trigger device the law is targeted at. Not sure about the stock that slide fires an AR but I wouldn't want to try it. Yep. a 1919 with a crankfire attachment is bad juju up here. But you can buy a real C&R 1919. Go figure. If you want a crank get a M2 with crank. And yes the crank is a 10 dollar home built I really enjoy
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/taylorwso/WindowsPhotoGalleryWallpaper.jpg Yup, state law. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:41:26 AM EDT
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Why not this.... Gatling Gun Kit http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd421/backnblack-droid/s7_227757_999_02.jpg OKGuy91 brought one of those to the Hun Farm once. Interesting, but, just like all 10-22s reliability was an issue. Not to mention the 'jump/juke/jive' that a crank gave to your aim point. Bullets in every direction. When i owned a 1919, I had a 6 lobe crank. you could get cyclic rates if you cranked properly, but, over speeding the crank would cause a failure. TRG |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:41:33 AM EDT
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This thread goes to show how utterly stupid the regs are. With all the BS about "the screwdriver becomes the trigger" yada yada. We can have crank operated weapons that can probably fire just about as fast as full auto but allowing the gun to fire full auto with just the trigger pull alone is a no no. Stupid fucking laws and regs. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:44:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: That secondary device attached to your trigger guard in MN will set you up for a felony firearm violation in MN. YMMV in your state. Gatling gun is still legal though. It's the secondary trigger device the law is targeted at. Not sure about the stock that slide fires an AR but I wouldn't want to try it. Yep. a 1919 with a crankfire attachment is bad juju up here. But you can buy a real C&R 1919. Go figure. So you could manufacture a gatling gun but not attach a device to the trigger that turns an already-existing gun into a gatling gun? THat is just stupid. Every time I think I've heard the dumbest possible gun law another one pops up that's even dumber. A totally arbitrary and capricious law that serves no purpose other than to make life difficult for gun owners. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:57:13 AM EDT
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That secondary device attached to your trigger guard in MN will set you up for a felony firearm violation in MN. YMMV in your state. Gatling gun is still legal though. It's the secondary trigger device the law is targeted at. Not sure about the stock that slide fires an AR but I wouldn't want to try it. Yep. a 1919 with a crankfire attachment is bad juju up here. But you can buy a real C&R 1919. Go figure. So you could manufacture a gatling gun but not attach a device to the trigger that turns an already-existing gun into a gatling gun? THat is just stupid. Every time I think I've heard the dumbest possible gun law another one pops up that's even dumber. A totally arbitrary and capricious law that serves no purpose other than to make life difficult for gun owners. ...Pretty much. Honestly it doesn't bother me very much, as I view %99.99 of those things as gimmicks and stupid, anyway. It'd be really neat to have one on my 1919 though But, I'll live without it.
Who knows, maybe in the past (remember, MN was a "vacation" state for all those fun-loving Chicagoians during Prohibition) there was a serious problem with crank-fired rifles in the hands of outlaws
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Posted: 8/10/2011 7:19:28 AM EDT
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