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5/12/2009 6:10:13 PM EDT
LOOKING FOR MORE, SAW IT ON THE TICKER>>>>

Heat Shield Survey Complete
Tue, 12 May 2009 02:51:28 PM CDT


Atlantis’ crew completed a planned survey of the shuttle heat shielding today, noting a few dings in tiles that experts will continue to analyze. Flight Director Tony Ceccacci said that upon an initial look, damage found during the inspection appeared to be minor and likely not a concern, but he said experts would analyze it as is normal to be certain the shuttle’s heat shielding is in good shape. The damage included small dings along an area of about 21 inches spanning four of the shuttle’s thermal tiles located on the starboard side of the spacecraft where the wing blends into the forward fuselage.






5/12/2009 6:11:18 PM EDT
[#1]
nicks in some of the tiles, should be nothing major
5/12/2009 6:16:07 PM EDT
[#2]
NASA says no worries.
5/12/2009 6:16:54 PM EDT
[#3]
In before Bob
5/12/2009 6:26:56 PM EDT
[#4]
I gave them the solution to their foam problem.  They ignored it.  What was it?  Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar.  This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures.  AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.



But no, it was all about cost.  Fuck NASA.  The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride.  And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.
5/12/2009 6:29:19 PM EDT
[#5]
That will buff out.
5/12/2009 6:30:26 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
I gave them the solution to their foam problem.  They ignored it.  What was it?  Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar.  This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures.  AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.

But no, it was all about cost.  Fuck NASA.  The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride.  And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.


Interesting, who did you tell this to?
5/12/2009 6:30:47 PM EDT
[#7]
cracked heat tiles?


(tries to remember if those are important)

nope, should be all good - don't see how anything could go possibly wrong.
5/12/2009 6:31:04 PM EDT
[#8]
sounds familiar
5/12/2009 6:33:01 PM EDT
[#9]
This ain't nothing.  

Of course last time they said that, a chunk of foam hit the wing with over 3000lbs of force.  Enough to possibly knock a hole the size of a bowlingball in the wing.   That wasn't anything either.
5/12/2009 6:34:24 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
I gave them the solution to their foam problem.  They ignored it.  What was it?  Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar.  This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures.  AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.

But no, it was all about cost.  Fuck NASA.  The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride.  And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.


 
5/12/2009 6:35:01 PM EDT
[#11]
Couple of pukes probably keyed it.  They better check the tires.
5/12/2009 6:38:41 PM EDT
[#12]
Nicks are nothing to worry about.  You only need to worry if a leading edge or underbelly tile is loose or has a hole in it.  As long as hot gasses can't jet through and melt the aluminum skin underneath, it's fine, and hot gasses can't jet through a nick.
5/12/2009 6:44:47 PM EDT
[#13]




Quoted:



Quoted:

I gave them the solution to their foam problem. They ignored it. What was it? Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar. This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures. AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.



But no, it was all about cost. Fuck NASA. The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride. And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.




Interesting, who did you tell this to?


I worked with a designer who had contacts at JSC in Houston.  Learned a LOT about the whole program.  Like the landing gear is a one-time shot from a nitrogen pressurized hydraulic accumulator.  Which means once it is down, it cannot be raised.  The drogue chute is cut off to prevent cross-wind effects.  Tires are one-time use only, the runway has been smoothed down since being built but it still eats tires.  



Originally, the foam insulation was an ether-based polyurethane but it was blown with CFCs.  So they changed to a ester-based PU to lose the CFCs but this expaneded from produced CO2, leaving the foam with open cells which water vapor (a gas, not particles of water) penetrates, forming solid ice in the foam.  This makes the foam brittle.  And my suggestion would need wind tunnel testing etc...like they tested the non-CFC foam?  They KNEW the problems but were unwilling to address it.



NASA is full of red tape with specifications written in blood.  It isn't about science, it is about politics and red tape.  You couldn't pay me enough to work there, much less be in the program.

5/12/2009 6:48:38 PM EDT
[#14]




Quoted:



Quoted:

I gave them the solution to their foam problem. They ignored it. What was it? Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar. This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures. AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.



But no, it was all about cost. Fuck NASA. The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride. And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.




Dude is there anything that you dont know and have not done?




Gay sex.  Prison.  Hebrew Seder. Banging a hooker (although I have paid for sex).  All Eastern religions.  Cantonese/African cooking.  Been to Antartica.  Those are the things I haven't done or know anything about.
5/12/2009 7:03:00 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

Quoted:
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I gave them the solution to their foam problem. They ignored it. What was it? Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar. This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures. AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.

But no, it was all about cost. Fuck NASA. The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride. And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.


Dude is there anything that you dont know and have not done?


Gay sex.  Prison.  Hebrew Seder. Banging a hooker (although I have paid for sex).  All Eastern religions.  Cantonese/African cooking.  Been to Antartica.  Those are the things I haven't done or know anything about.


5/12/2009 7:04:49 PM EDT
[#16]
The tiles are extremely resilient...Shuttles have come back missing scores of tiles with no ill effects...you can stick one in an over at 1000 degrees for half an hour, take it out and touch it with your bare hand...
5/12/2009 7:08:53 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
I gave them the solution to their foam problem. They ignored it. What was it? Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar. This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures. AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.

But no, it was all about cost. Fuck NASA. The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride. And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.


Dude is there anything that you dont know and have not done?


Gay sex.  Prison.  Hebrew Seder. Banging a hooker (although I have paid for sex).  All Eastern religions.  Cantonese/African cooking.  Been to Antartica.  Those are the things I haven't done or know anything about.




So tell us about banging fat ugly chicks.



5/12/2009 7:13:43 PM EDT
[#18]
Did anyone else see sparks come off a wing during launch? Split-second type of thing. Shrugged it off until hearing this news.
5/12/2009 7:15:36 PM EDT
[#19]




Quoted:

The tiles are extremely resilient...Shuttles have come back missing scores of tiles with no ill effects...you can stick one in an over at 1000 degrees for half an hour, take it out and touch it with your bare hand...




But the black coating on the belly tiles is resistant to erosion.  The silica foam underneath is very soft, mostly air and lacks strength.  But the belly has few critical components and is far removed from the pressure retaining structures.  The problem will be in initial reentry when that area acts as a huge sail to shed the orbital energy after the OMS burn to bump the orbit. Here, flow is perpendicular to the belly and erosive effects are high. Remember, this is a much higher orbit than ISS.  Much more energy to deal with.  



5/12/2009 7:23:18 PM EDT
[#20]




Quoted:



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Quoted:

I gave them the solution to their foam problem. They ignored it. What was it? Covering the shedding parts with adhesive-backed aluminized Mylar. This would keep water vapor from depositing during fueling, preventing the ice-induced fractures. AND increasing the insulation value by more than the weight which means LESS insulation would be needed and a net weight savings.



But no, it was all about cost. Fuck NASA. The lives of the astronauts is in their hands because of their pride. And a silver main fuel tank would look damn cool.




Dude is there anything that you dont know and have not done?




Gay sex. Prison. Hebrew Seder. Banging a hooker (although I have paid for sex). All Eastern religions. Cantonese/African cooking. Been to Antartica. Those are the things I haven't done or know anything about.









So tell us about banging fat ugly chicks.


They are free.  Floppy boobs.  as long as they are clean...just don't swab the deck.  And she wasn't THAT ugly.  She was about 160, down from about 250 so there was lots of loose skin.  Need any more info?  



Now for a real piece of work...the one that said "don't get me pregnant...again.  I've had three abortions".  She was 25
.  I thought I was going to have to go on Viagra.  Lost all interest.



And then there was Lydia.  I was out at the Longbranch, hitching a ride with friends.  At last call, FRIENDS WERE GONE!!  And Lydia was on my arm.  Was it the lights?  Was it the beer?  Whatever, the next day, she drops by, KNOWING where I lived.  Was that an UGLY woman.  Only 21 at the time...the name fit.  How I managed to escape with both arms I don't know how but then again, I was a sly guy so I managed to give her the slip.



So yes, I don't lie.  I have done a few uglys and a few fatties.  No more, I have paid my dues.

5/12/2009 7:31:40 PM EDT
[#21]
5/12/2009 7:32:29 PM EDT
[#22]
As long as there is no penetration through the heat shield material into the internal structure then it shouldn't be an issue. With the Colombia accident, the carbon/carbon leading edge panels were completely penetrated leaving a hole. The plasma that builds under the heat shield leaked through that hole essentially creating a plasma cutting torch. The plasma jet cut through some of the framework and then started cutting into the starboard landing gear. As this was happening, pieces of the wing started breaking off creating a control imbalance. (in the audio, you can hear Col. Husband remarking on an unusual amount of RCS firing) Eventually, the RCS system was no longer able to compensate for the unusual aerodynamic profile and the shuttle began tumbling. Within seconds, the weakened and deformed wing broke off completely and the extreme dynamic forces broke the rest of the shuttle apart.

Im guessing that the crew probably went unconcious immediately from the G forces induced by the tumbling and they were likely all dead within 10 seconds of the wing seperation. Supposedly, there is a leaked cockpit video right up to the point where the shuttle began tumbling but NASA has only officially released the footage up to 4 minutes before the break-up claiming that the rest did not survive re-entry. There have been numerous cockpit videos removed from video sites within minutes of being posted (not just youtube either) which seems to support the existance of the additional 4 minutes of leaked film. I've seen torrents posted claiming to be the full thing but I've never downloaded them to see.
5/12/2009 7:33:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:

They are free.  Floppy boobs.  as long as they are clean...just don't swab the deck.  And she wasn't THAT ugly.  She was about 160, down from about 250 so there was lots of loose skin.  Need any more info?  

Now for a real piece of work...the one that said "don't get me pregnant...again.  I've had three abortions".  She was 25 .  I thought I was going to have to go on Viagra.  Lost all interest.

And then there was Lydia.  I was out at the Longbranch, hitching a ride with friends.  At last call, FRIENDS WERE GONE!!  And Lydia was on my arm.  Was it the lights?  Was it the beer?  Whatever, the next day, she drops by, KNOWING where I lived.  Was that an UGLY woman.  Only 21 at the time...the name fit.  How I managed to escape with both arms I don't know how but then again, I was a sly guy so I managed to give her the slip.

So yes, I don't lie.  I have done a few uglys and a few fatties.  No more, I have paid my dues.


LOL




That is awesome.....

5/13/2009 9:13:31 PM EDT
[#24]
Bump for some of my best work this week.
 Near the bottom...
5/13/2009 9:17:40 PM EDT
[#25]
Who hasn't done a fat and/or ugly chick?