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Posted: 12/3/2007 12:52:35 PM EDT
I aws thinking of buying something like this CMMG Barrell

Is it legal to own without going through a lot of bs?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:53:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:53:42 PM EDT by roboman]
16", assuming you're talking about a rifle.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:53:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:54:06 PM EDT by Kalahnikid]
1800 posts and you dont know the answer to very simple questions?


Is it legal to own without going through a lot of bs?

Yes, buy a pistol lower
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:53:51 PM EDT
16 inches for Rifles. 18 inches for shotguns.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:54:05 PM EDT
Unless you put it on a lower registered as a pistol you would have to register it as an Short Barrelled Rifle with the BATFE.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:54:10 PM EDT
Simply file a Form 1 to construct an SBR, pay the onetime $200 tax, then wait for it to come back approved.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:54:23 PM EDT
I figured it was 16'' , but I wanted to make sure.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:55:29 PM EDT
What is a bunch of BS?

16" is the shortest that is legal and be non-nfa.

So if you want that (unless you want an AR pistol)

Fill out your request to manufacture a Short Barreled Rifle
Send that in duplicate along with a $200 check to the ATF along with a set of fingerprints and a picture of you.

Get your lower receiver engraved with your name and city

add that barrel to the rifle when you get your stamp back.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:55:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
16 inches for Rifles. 18 inches for shotguns.


Let's not forget the overall length requirement of 26 inches.
Gotta watch that, especially on break open shotguns.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:55:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:56:58 PM EDT by glazer1972]
You would have to build it as a pistol. If that is ok in your state. Or jump through the SBR hoops.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:55:55 PM EDT
Don't forget the 26" overall length, that's with the stock unfolded or extended.
Especially if a suspicious person asks you to saw down some shotgun barrels for him.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 6:40:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ScrinMaster:
Don't forget the 26" overall length, that's with the stock unfolded or extended.
Especially if a suspicious person asks you to saw down some shotgun barrels for him.


26 inches is with the stock collapsed or folded.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:21:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ScrinMaster:
Don't forget the 26" overall length, that's with the stock unfolded or extended.
Especially if a suspicious person asks you to saw down some shotgun barrels for him.


26 inches is with the stock collapsed or folded.
what about a pistol grip?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:23:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 7:24:41 PM EDT by BillofRights]

26 inches is with the stock collapsed or folded.


I remember this being debated here before.

Can somebody please post where this is actually written?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:23:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By locrain:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ScrinMaster:
Don't forget the 26" overall length, that's with the stock unfolded or extended.
Especially if a suspicious person asks you to saw down some shotgun barrels for him.


26 inches is with the stock collapsed or folded.
what about a pistol grip?


What about it?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:25:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
1800 posts and you dont know the answer to very simple questions?


Is it legal to own without going through a lot of bs?

Yes, buy a pistol lower

Yes, buy a pistol lower
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:26:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ScrinMaster:
Don't forget the 26" overall length, that's with the stock unfolded or extended.
Especially if a suspicious person asks you to saw down some shotgun barrels for him.


26 inches is with the stock collapsed or folded.


Aren't most underfolding AK's under 26" when the stock is folded? I believe Yugo underfolders are about 25.5" when the stock is folded.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that was the case.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:27:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ScrinMaster:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ScrinMaster:
Don't forget the 26" overall length, that's with the stock unfolded or extended.
Especially if a suspicious person asks you to saw down some shotgun barrels for him.


26 inches is with the stock collapsed or folded.


Aren't most underfolding AK's under 26" when the stock is folded? I believe Yugo underfolders are about 25.5" when the stock is folded.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that was the case.


Wait, whoops.
I totally had that in the wrong order!
You were right, I was wrong, I saw it different in my head somehow.
Man I feel dumb!
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:27:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By ScrinMaster:
Don't forget the 26" overall length, that's with the stock unfolded or extended.
Especially if a suspicious person asks you to saw down some shotgun barrels for him.


26 inches is with the stock collapsed or folded.



incorrect.

the 26" oal requirement is fully extended.

if it was collapsed, there would be A LOT of illegal guns out there.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:29:45 PM EDT
Just register an SBR. It seems like a lot of BS. But once it is done, it really does seem to bad.

My 4 incher.





Why 4"?
Because:

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:33:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Just register an SBR. It seems like a lot of BS. But once it is done, it really does seem to bad.

My 4 incher.

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Why 4"?
Because:

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I bow to you
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:45:39 PM EDT
How long does sending off the SBR take? Do they keep the $200 no matter what?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:47:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SUPERSPORT:
How long does sending off the SBR take? Do they keep the $200 no matter what?


Not long and No.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 7:49:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 7:50:13 PM EDT by mjohn3006]

Originally Posted By SUPERSPORT:
How long does sending off the SBR take? Do they keep the $200 no matter what?


Wait has been about 3-4 weeks.

Fill out paperwork. Get your firgerprint cards done. Get the CLEO signiture. Send off with $200 to ATF. At same time send your lower off to an engraver to be engraved with your name, state, city.

So inside of 2 months you can have an AR you can configure any dang way you want.
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