Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
BCM
Member Login

Page / 3
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:44:10 PM EST
Ahh, Okay. I guess I need to find that G23 I bought years ago, I'm sure it's around somewhere
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:44:21 PM EST
The data is obviously cherry picked. The slowest 9mm loads and the slowest 10mm loads to boot.

If it’s not a 200 grain 10mm load cruising along at 1,200-1,250 FPS than I know it’s utter trash as “data”.

The 40 can’t dream of doing what the Glorious Centimeter does.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:48:53 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By DerSchutze:
I carry a 40 S&W on duty.  I mostly carry a Glock 19 off duty, but sometimes I carry my Colt Commander .45 acp.  I feel confident with the capabilities of all three.   That being said, I have seen a man that was killed by a fellow officer and I have personally killed a whitetail (through the shoulder) with one of those rounds.  Both of those rounds were 40 S&W.   Both stops were instantaneous.  The people that discount the lethality of the 40 S&W have no clue as to what they are talking about.
View Quote

Nobody discounts the lethality of 40 SW.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:49:58 PM EST
Curious.....


How many of you have actually used a 9mm, .40cal, or .45cal in a real life shooting, and have some actual experience with any of these calibers???? For those that have (which will be almost none) what ammo were you using, against what barriers, and what was the outcome???
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:50:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 9:53:01 PM EST by AhoogahLoop]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By tbote1120:
10mm 523

Sure.....
View Quote


A weak loading, but a standard loading today.

Anything a 357 magnum can do, a 10mm can do, and there are 10mm loadings that go up past 700 FPE.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:54:17 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 3BP:
Curious.....


How many of you have actually used a 9mm, .40cal, or .45cal in a real life shooting, and have some actual experience with any of these calibers???? For those that have (which will be almost none) what ammo were you using, against what barriers, and what was the outcome???
View Quote



Does it matter? Would be the literal definition of an anecdote. Interpreting FBI test data is much more relevant than recalling the time you shot something.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:55:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 9:56:21 PM EST by Notcalifornialegal]
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:56:23 PM EST
Recoil factor lmao
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:57:42 PM EST
At least .40 still made the list. .357 sig has become a historical footnote like 4WS or quadrophonic stereos.

But seriously, why the different weight bullets?
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:02:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By jough43:
Latest edition of Guns & Ammo Handguns magazine:
              Muzzle Energy.      Recoil Factor
9mm       332 (115 grain)           0.65
.40SW.    506 (165 grain)           0.74
10mm.    523 (175 grain)           0.96
.45ACP.   411 (185 grain)           0.93

The .40S&W looks like it spanks them.  Yep, even 10mm, with 9mm recoil.
View Quote

The .40S&W looks like it spanks them. Yep, even 10mm, with 9mm recoil.
What?

It sits between 9mm and 10mm in energy, but is only as close as it is because it's compared to the 'low recoil' version of 10mm - the very thing 40SW was designed to replace

Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:03:02 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By AS556:
.40 is a good round..always has been. Just like all the service calibers they do the job they're intended to.

I use a beat up M&P 40 full size with 180gr HST for HD. Don't feel bad about leaving it out and TSUSA had LE overrun HST for $15/50 a couple years ago.
View Quote





Hell YES!!!!   Bought a LOT of the HST back when it cost less than a Kidney!

M&P .40 beater that I won't weep over if I get it dirty, muddy, dusty, wet, frozen or whatever.

& I have a 9mm Threaded Conversion barrel with some 9mm mags for those times if 9mm is all there is...

BIGGER_HAMMER
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:24:11 PM EST
I wouldn't want to be shot by any of those, but the .40 haters would say they'd take one in the face to prove a point.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:26:38 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By ackspac:
I wouldn't want to be shot by any of those, but the .40 haters would say they'd take one in the face to prove a point.
View Quote

None of them say that.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:27:43 PM EST
In on this shit show.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:28:44 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:



https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/41094713.jpg

Hell YES!!!!   Bought a LOT of the HST back when it cost less than a Kidney!

M&P .40 beater that I won't weep over if I get it dirty, muddy, dusty, wet, frozen or whatever.

& I have a 9mm Threaded Conversion barrel with some 9mm mags for those times if 9mm is all there is...

BIGGER_HAMMER
View Quote


Yup, I got a case of the HST for $300. Wish I'd bought a few. Between my S&W and Glock 22 I have a lifetime supply of defensive ammo as it is. No 9mm conversion for me...I have a shitload of 9mms as it is.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:34:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By jough43:
Latest edition of Guns & Ammo Handguns magazine:
              Muzzle Energy.      Recoil Factor
9mm       332 (115 grain)           0.65
.40SW.    506 (165 grain)           0.74
10mm.    523 (175 grain)           0.96
.45ACP.   411 (185 grain)           0.93

The .40S&W looks like it spanks them.  Yep, even 10mm, with 9mm recoil.
View Quote


Wtf
Where you getting 175 grain 10mm?
Who shoots 165 grain 40?

I shoot 180grain 40s and 200 grain 10mm
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:36:57 PM EST

I carry this just to upset the ARFCOM GD lemmings



Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:37:28 PM EST
45acp for the WIN!
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:37:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 10:40:19 PM EST by Layer60]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By jollyg83:
I like them all.  .45 has always been the smoothest for me, more of a straight backward thump than a snappy flip.  

With that said, I carry a G19.
View Quote

Yep. I am a fan of all four, with 10mm being my least favorite. I happen to prefer .40 or 9mm but it's basically a tie for me.

Liberty .40 ammo at 2000fps is a mean little round.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:42:55 PM EST
Who even reads those rags anymore?

Next issue: 270 vs 30-06 !
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 11:21:35 PM EST
One thing that the .40 Smith & Wesson has in its favor: it's a high pressure round.

It does much better than the others a shorter barrel lengths.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 11:30:58 PM EST
Try loading a .40 with 220gr flat nose hard cast.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 11:37:04 PM EST
Everyone talking smack about how much more effective 9mm is while cops and federal agents are laying out scumbags with .40 all day.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 11:38:41 PM EST
Still carrying my G22.

All the cops had them when I bought it, never had a reason to switch.

Its a good gun in a good caliber.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 11:39:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 11:40:03 PM EST by AS556]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By msnblows666:
One thing that the .40 Smith & Wesson has in its favor: it's a high pressure round.

It does much better than the others a shorter barrel lengths.
View Quote



It's practically exactly the same pressure as 9mm.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:09:00 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By AhoogahLoop:


A weak loading, but a standard loading today.

Anything a 357 magnum can do, a 10mm can do, and there are 10mm loadings that go up past 700 FPE.
View Quote


Underwood has some loadings over 700fpe
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:10:06 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By repoman_54r:
Everyone talking smack about how much more effective 9mm is while cops and federal agents are laying out scumbags with .40 all day.
View Quote

I agree. But I think the 9mm does shine for ccw type guns for civilians such as a Glock 43 or sig 365 and that is why certain people love the 9mm. Not everyone is going to carry a full-size pistol always. But if we are comparing a Glock 17 to a Glock 22, it’s the same damn thing really. A little more power with the .40 at the cost of two rounds. We all know shot placement is way more important than 9mm vs .40 bullets. If you can shoot a 9 better, go for it. But the .40 gets it done as well. Plenty of cops used it to get home safe. I don’t get caught up in what the fbi decides, how much faster my splits are with one vs the other, loss of two rounds in capacity, or any of the other stuff that at the end of the day is not as important as getting hits on target. Practice with what you have to work with and enjoy your choice of pistol caliber.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:12:36 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By repoman_54r:
Everyone talking smack about how much more effective 9mm is while cops and federal agents are laying out scumbags with .40 all day.
View Quote

FBI switched to 9mm and cops across the nation, including every agency local to me are switching to 9mm. .40 is a decent round, but there is no plus side over 9mm with current offerings
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:16:42 AM EST
In full sized guns I shoot 9mm slightly better than .40, and slightly worse than .45 out of a 1911.

And I shoot 155gr-165gr out a .40.
To me 180gr is. 45 territory.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:25:22 AM EST
rEcOiL fAcToR
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:27:48 AM EST
That seems like a weaker 9mm load to compare to.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:29:10 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By sixnine:
This! I'll bet the comparison didn't use Underwood 10mm ammo.
View Quote


My own loads, Underwoods, or the old factory Norma spec ammo is how God intended for the 10mm to be.

Now if I could only find a 6 inch 1911 that I like in 10mm
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 2:46:13 AM EST
I have multiple pistols in .40. I have an XD-S mod2 in   40. Those are kinda oddball.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 2:51:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 3:03:50 AM EST by 1811guy]
The reason .40 became popular was because the FBI developed it and fielded it.  If they did it it must be awesome.  Everyone bought .40’s.

Then some years ago they put out a report that modern 9mm cartridges are awesome so they settled on one and fielded it.  If they did it it must be awesome.  Everyone dumped their 40’s and bought 9’s.

.40 is a great self defense round
9mm is a great self defense round
45 is a great self defense round
10mm kicks ass and destroys things

Pick your favorite, learn to shoot it well, and stock up on ammo.  Quit listening to the FBI’s justifications for switching caliber and platform.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 2:54:12 AM EST
Still hate it
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 2:57:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 3:02:06 AM EST by 1811guy]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
That's an underpowered 9mm load they used. What velocity are they claiming for it? 950fps?
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Originally Posted By jough43:
Latest edition of Guns & Ammo Handguns magazine:
              Muzzle Energy.      Recoil Factor
9mm       332 (115 grain)           0.65
.40SW.    506 (165 grain)           0.74
10mm.    523 (175 grain)           0.96
.45ACP.   411 (185 grain)           0.93

The .40S&W looks like it spanks them.  Yep, even 10mm, with 9mm recoil.
That's an underpowered 9mm load they used. What velocity are they claiming for it? 950fps?


Nope, with those numbers velocity would have be 1,150 fps.  That’s about right for 9mm.  I know it’s shocking for the haters, but .40 has a considerably more energy than 9mm.  You only get over 400 fpe with 9mm when using +p or +p+ loads.  Standard loads are weak by comparison.  

.40 is a stout cartridge and very capable.  Don’t let all the irrational hate cloud the facts.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 4:21:13 AM EST
In every single gunfight I've been in, the .40 has performed just as well as any other caliber I own.  


Link Posted: 2/23/2021 4:32:18 AM EST
OP has never shot a gun before.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 4:35:34 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By M-60:
In every single gunfight I've been in, the .40 has performed just as well as any other caliber I own.  


View Quote

Can you provide details to these gun fights?
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 4:49:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 4:52:07 AM EST by M-60]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Blacktide:

Can you provide details to these gun fights?
View Quote
Nope.  Classified.  


And I've never been in a gunfight.  So, with that amount of data, they're all exactly the same.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 4:53:10 AM EST
40 b wack yo.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 5:52:44 AM EST
Numbers, wonderful numbers. Don't need a gun, just show them the numbers.




Link Posted: 2/23/2021 5:57:13 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 3BP:
Curious.....


How many of you have actually used a 9mm, .40cal, or .45cal in a real life shooting, and have some actual experience with any of these calibers???? For those that have (which will be almost none) what ammo were you using, against what barriers, and what was the outcome???
View Quote


9mm 124 gn rangers. He was wearing a T shirt and he is dead.

Would not have mattered
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 6:19:06 AM EST
BL M vouches for 40 S&W.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 6:21:45 AM EST
So now we like the FBI. They are liars and crooks. Fuck them with a t post.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 6:34:29 AM EST
Real men shoot 200 gr. 10 mm
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 7:56:39 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Blacktide:
OP has never shot a gun before.
View Quote


You funny.  I have 3 handguns in .40.  Two are S&W M&Ps with Apex triggers.
I don't own a 9.

FBI went with 9 this last go round for a variety of reasons.
1.  Faster follow-up (slightly less recoil)
2.  More mag capacity, usually about 2 rounds (because of misses)
3.  9mm oh so barely passed the FBI protocol (penetration thru glass, plywood, clothing, etc.)
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:12:06 AM EST
Just have a gun.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:14:11 AM EST
Ell-Oh-Mutha-Fuggin-Ell
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:15:30 AM EST
Page / 3
Top Top