[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Serialized Magazines: the Future? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/14/2013 7:20:30 AM EDT
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If the new law in Colorado passes, any new Hi-cap magazines made in state will need to be have serial numbers and dates on them. This will affect Magpul if they decide to stay here.
Would you still buy P-mags is they were numbered and dated? I would if I could. |
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Quoted: If the new law in Colorado passes, any new Hi-cap magazines made in state will need to be have serial numbers and dates on them. This will affect Magpul if they decide to stay here. Would you still buy P-mags is they were numbered and dated? I would if I could. Sure. Numbers aren't that hard to remove from a magazine if I happen to not like them. |
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Shit happens all the time when I'm using them to slow down my belt sander.
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Aren't pmags already dated ? I think so. I'm not sure it is against the law if you cannot read the date stamp. You know, aggressive use may just wear it off. It will be put on the feed lips. 
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If the new law in Colorado passes, any new Hi-cap magazines made in state will need to be have serial numbers and dates on them. This will affect Magpul if they decide to stay here. Would you still buy P-mags is they were numbered and dated? I would if I could. Yes, but being that I'm no in CO I'd scratch them straight off. |
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Firearms manufacturers disagree.
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Magpul testified that printing serial numbers on magazines is not practical and would place an undue burden on them. A revolving serial number would be a pain in the ass for injection molded products. They already have to add the metal s/n plate. This involves additional cost/complexity to either add a s/n plate or find some other way of serializing Magpul's products. |
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Firearms manufacturers disagree.
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Magpul testified that printing serial numbers on magazines is not practical and would place an undue burden on them. A revolving serial number would be a pain in the ass for injection molded products. They already have to add the metal s/n plate. This involves additional cost/complexity to either add a s/n plate or find some other way of serializing Magpul's products. For all the "knowledgeable" people i am surprised at the lack of it. CO state Law ยง 18-5-305. Identification number - altering - possession (1) A person commits the crime of altering identification number if, with intent that identification of an article be hindered or prevented, he obscures an identification number or in the course of business he sells, offers for sale, leases, or otherwise disposes of an article knowing that an identification number thereon is obscured. (2) "Identification number" means a serial or motor number placed by the manufacturer upon an article as a permanent individual identifying mark. (3) "Obscure" means to destroy, remove, alter, conceal, or deface so as to render illegible by ordinary means of inspection. (4) Possession of an article on which an identification number is obscured is prima facie evidence that the person possessing it obscured the number with intent to hinder or prevent identification of the article, and that he knows that the identification number is obscured, unless, prior to his arrest or the issuance of a warrant for a search of the premises where the article is kept, whichever is earlier, he reports possession of the article to the police or other appropriate law enforcement agency. (5) Altering identification number is a class 3 misdemeanor. . Magpul Cage Lot # equals a rough time of mfg as seen on the NIW Pmag info. 
Pictures of magazines with ID marks 
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Honestly, if Magpul decides to stay there I'll be purchasing a different brand. I'll give them a bit, they can't just pickup and move the day the law passes. That would be unrealistic, but if they are still there a year later...I find it morally objectionable to do business with any company that would support the government of a state that violates the 2nd by doing business in that state (giving them tax dollars). This is a new realization for me, I wish it had happened sooner, but I feel better taking this personal viewpoint.
I'm proud of Magpul getting out and doing their part to fight it, the same goes for the citizens of that state. It's apparent that the politicians are ignoring the voices of the people. Which is simply tyranny. They are elected to represent the people, not rule over the people. |
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Honestly, if Magpul decides to stay there I'll be purchasing a different brand. I'll give them a bit, they can't just pickup and move the day the law passes. That would be unrealistic, but if they are still there a year later...I find it morally objectionable to do business with any company that would support the government of a state that violates the 2nd by doing business in that state (giving them tax dollars). This is a new realization for me, I wish it had happened sooner, but I feel better taking this personal viewpoint. I'm proud of Magpul getting out and doing their part to fight it, the same goes for the citizens of that state. It's apparent that the politicians are ignoring the voices of the people. Which is simply tyranny. They are elected to represent the people, not rule over the people. This, not even a 100% move is needed. However, they need to talk with their money, and bring some of it out of state. |
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Magpul should either follow the law or GTFO of Colorado.
I like CO as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't move there if this passes. For a company that lives and dies off this business, it makes sense to vote with their feet. There are hundreds of municipalities that assist with relocation expenses by way of tax abatements. |
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Glock and S&W are examples of how mags should be produced- with NO date codes or lot numbers at all.
Magpul and others need to do the same. |
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Magpul should either follow the law or GTFO of Colorado. I like CO as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't move there if this passes. For a company that lives and dies off this business, it makes sense to vote with their feet. There are hundreds of municipalities that assist with relocation expenses by way of tax abatements. |
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For all the "knowledgeable" people i am surprised at the lack of it. CO state Law ยง 18-5-305. Identification number - altering - possession (1) A person commits the crime of altering identification number if, with intent that identification of an article be hindered or prevented, he obscures an identification number or in the course of business he sells, offers for sale, leases, or otherwise disposes of an article knowing that an identification number thereon is obscured. (2) "Identification number" means a serial or motor number placed by the manufacturer upon an article as a permanent individual identifying mark. (3) "Obscure" means to destroy, remove, alter, conceal, or deface so as to render illegible by ordinary means of inspection. (4) Possession of an article on which an identification number is obscured is prima facie evidence that the person possessing it obscured the number with intent to hinder or prevent identification of the article, and that he knows that the identification number is obscured, unless, prior to his arrest or the issuance of a warrant for a search of the premises where the article is kept, whichever is earlier, he reports possession of the article to the police or other appropriate law enforcement agency. (5) Altering identification number is a class 3 misdemeanor. . Magpul Cage Lot # equals a rough time of mfg as seen on the NIW Pmag info. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_1070_zpsf266c033.jpg http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_1069_zpsb5456609.jpg Pictures of magazines with ID marks http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_1065_zpsd9955445.jpg No it doesn't the CAGE code is a unique code assigned by DOD to each contractor, and has nothing to do with the date, and doesn't usually change for the life of the compnay. There is a date code in the molding marks on PMAGS though |
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I love PMAGs, and Magpul seems like good people. If this passes, and they stick around, offering magazines compliant with a ban or registration scheme... well... then I suppose I've already got enough PMAGs. BIG if, considering they have already spoken about their ability to pick up and move out of state.
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. Magpul Cage Lot # equals a rough time of mfg as seen on the NIW Pmag info. No it doesn't the CAGE code is a unique code assigned by DOD to each contractor, and has nothing to do with the date, and doesn't usually change for the life of the compnay. There is a date code in the molding marks on PMAGS though this. Cage number isnt a LOT number. Its an Identifier from DLA. Any gov agency punches in that code and up comes the MANUFACTURERS INFO. Yes there can be more than 1 cage code for a company. |
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Honestly, if Magpul decides to stay there I'll be purchasing a different brand. I'll give them a bit, they can't just pickup and move the day the law passes. That would be unrealistic, but if they are still there a year later...I find it morally objectionable to do business with any company that would support the government of a state that violates the 2nd by doing business in that state (giving them tax dollars). This is a new realization for me, I wish it had happened sooner, but I feel better taking this personal viewpoint. I'm proud of Magpul getting out and doing their part to fight it, the same goes for the citizens of that state. It's apparent that the politicians are ignoring the voices of the people. Which is simply tyranny. They are elected to represent the people, not rule over the people. This, not even a 100% move is needed. However, they need to talk with their money, and bring some of it out of state. Kalifornia Kops use pmags 
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PMAG date stamp. It's already there. No S/N though. Fuck liberals...... http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t367/Dudleyandhenry/0030e9f05ad0fa314c7316fa094a36ff_zpsa27b3d12.jpg Not a date stamp. Those are expiration dates. 
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This is the info you get when you plug in a cage code into DLA's database.
CAGE CODE FOR MAGPUL (1LX50) CAGE InformationCompany Name: MAGPUL INDUSTRIES CORP. Status: Active Record Parent CAGE: Address: 400 YOUNG CT UNIT 1 P.O. Box: City: ERIE Zip: 80516 CAO-ADP: S0602A-HQ0339 State: CO County: BOULDER Voice Phone Number: 303-828-3460 Fax Phone Number: 303-828-3469 Date CAGE Code Established: 7/19/1999 Last Updated: 4/8/2011 Point of Contact: DOUG SMITH Company Web Site: HTTP://WWW.MAGPUL.COM Cage code for other MAG listed in pictures (6P199) CAGE InformationCompany Name: CENTER INDUSTRIES CORPORATION Status: Active Record Parent CAGE: Address: 2505 S CUSTER ST P.O. Box: City: WICHITA Zip: 67217 CAO-ADP: S1701A-HQ0339 State: KS County: Voice Phone Number: 3169428255 Fax Phone Number: 3169427738 Date CAGE Code Established: 3/6/1978 Last Updated: 7/2/2012 Point of Contact: PETER JONAS Company Web Site: HTTP://WWW.CENTERINDUSTRIES.COM |
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adding S/Ns to mags, is a cost increase and trying to track them would be RIDICULOUS. can you imagine trying to handle PMAGS like firearms. with PAPERWORK transactions for EACH one...
fuck that. If I was MAGPUL... Im backing the Mayflower trucks up and rolling out in the middle of the night... |
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Honestly, if Magpul decides to stay there I'll be purchasing a different brand. I'll give them a bit, they can't just pickup and move the day the law passes. That would be unrealistic, but if they are still there a year later...I find it morally objectionable to do business with any company that would support the government of a state that violates the 2nd by doing business in that state (giving them tax dollars). This is a new realization for me, I wish it had happened sooner, but I feel better taking this personal viewpoint. I'm proud of Magpul getting out and doing their part to fight it, the same goes for the citizens of that state. It's apparent that the politicians are ignoring the voices of the people. Which is simply tyranny. They are elected to represent the people, not rule over the people. they've already said that it wouldn't cause a delay in production to move facilities elsewhere, and they seemed quite willing to do so as well. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Firearms manufacturers disagree.Quoted: Magpul testified that printing serial numbers on magazines is not practical and would place an undue burden on them. A revolving serial number would be a pain in the ass for injection molded products. They already have to add the metal s/n plate. This involves additional cost/complexity to either add a s/n plate or find some other way of serializing Magpul's products. For all the "knowledgeable" people i am surprised at the lack of it. CO state Law ยง 18-5-305. Identification number - altering - possession (1) A person commits the crime of altering identification number if, with intent that identification of an article be hindered or prevented, he obscures an identification number or in the course of business he sells, offers for sale, leases, or otherwise disposes of an article knowing that an identification number thereon is obscured. (2) "Identification number" means a serial or motor number placed by the manufacturer upon an article as a permanent individual identifying mark. (3) "Obscure" means to destroy, remove, alter, conceal, or deface so as to render illegible by ordinary means of inspection. (4) Possession of an article on which an identification number is obscured is prima facie evidence that the person possessing it obscured the number with intent to hinder or prevent identification of the article, and that he knows that the identification number is obscured, unless, prior to his arrest or the issuance of a warrant for a search of the premises where the article is kept, whichever is earlier, he reports possession of the article to the police or other appropriate law enforcement agency. (5) Altering identification number is a class 3 misdemeanor. . Magpul Cage Lot # equals a rough time of mfg as seen on the NIW Pmag info. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_1070_zpsf266c033.jpg http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_1069_zpsb5456609.jpg Pictures of magazines with ID marks http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_1065_zpsd9955445.jpg CAGE is an acronym for Commercial And Government Entity. It is a code for a supplier. |