Posted: 12/23/2006 6:46:01 AM EDT
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Does anyone know why this Socialist/Communist cocksucker has such a wild hair up his ass about the draft? Anytime there's talk of a draft, Rangel's name isn't far away from it. (I know about the scam in 04 where he proposed a draft and then the Dumocrats said the Republicans were behind it) |
Simply put Wrangle believes a draft will cripple the ability to use the Military. |
His sole reasoning behind bringing back the draft is that there would be no wars if everyone's children stood a good change at getting called up. He believes the public opposition to any war would be overwhelming if it was to be fought by anyone other than volunteers. In other words, Rangel is just being Rangel. This is a ploy by him that he envisions as something to tie our hands and prevent us from waging a war in the future. Since there are enough people willing to volunteer and go to war however, it is his hands (and those of assholes like him) who have THEIR hands tied. However, I believe this sort of thinking is pretty FUCT UP and a draft would not greatly alter US policy. If our leaders consider there to be a need to go to war, then we'll go to war, draft or no draft. That's the way it always has been and the way it always will be. Rangel just wants to add something that would create more BS for our military, thinking a draft would do to our forces what no enemy can. What a piece of shit he is.  |
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BTW, why is there all of this "return of the draft" hysteria every time the SS mentions testing the system? What a bunch of BS! If your town tests a tornado siren periodically, does that mean a tornado is going to hit? Of course not. It's just a freaking test to make sure the procedures work as planned. That's why it's called a "test". Same for the SS. How will they know if their draft procedures are ready for action unless they periodically test their system? People need to drop the draft BS. Unless the Soviet Empire re-unites and launches a war with us or unless we have to fight China is a major land battle somewhere, there isn't going to be a draft nor a need for one. This fearmongering shit is getting old. |
The only thing that concerns me with a draft is I don't want to get shot in the back of the head by the retard who's never seen a gun, thinks they're scary, and is now forced into a war. Oh, and I'm 22, in good health. If there is a draft, I'd be going. I had filled out my selective service papers just a month or so before 9/11. I remember almost all of the guys in my grade were all thinking that we were going to be drafted and sent to war. I knew I had picked good friends when all of them had the attitude of "Well, that'll throw a wrench in my plans, but if I have to, I will do my best to serve my country." |
| There has to be reinstitution of the draft to boulster the numbers in the Military. This is the only way GW and his bunch can increase troop deployment. It my not be like what it was in the 60's and 70's. If I were 18 again (I am a far way from it) I would not consider the military as a possible career path - because you know that you will be sent to Iraq or Afgnistan or who knows where else in the future. I don't think it is a scare tactic or anything at this point, they just want to be ready. |
We have enough (former and current) problem children in the service as VOLUNTEERS... We do NOT need anyone who doesn't want to be there FROM THE START fucking it up for the real professionals... What concerns me is that (A) it WILL make it easier for the media to torpedo military operations when people who DIDN'T VOLINTEER choose to go, and (B) the damage that the draftees will do to the force - especially to the 'New' force... The 'new' military is a major improvement over the 'old' one - more professional, with less bullshit and hazing-disguised-as-training, mainly because we're a volunteer force... If you go back to the draft, you have to go back to the break-down-and-rebuild method of training, which was horrendously inefficient and produced a less adaptive & survivable soldier (no longer being 1910, excessive uniformity/predictability kills)... NOT GOOD... |
Negative. A draft is not needed to bolster the numbers in the military. At the time of the 1991 Gulf War, the United States Army maintained 18 active duty combat divisions. These were all volunteers. We now have 10. We cut the size of our all-volunteer army by nearly 50%. And in the process, we also got rid of some national guard divisions too. If we decided we wanted to add as many as 100,000 troops to the ranks, it could be done without a draft. It could be done by incentives to keep currently enlisted troops active while putting more emphasis on recruiting. We had an active duty army that was nearly twice the size of the current army and we manned it with all volunteers. We could do so again if we wanted.
Wrong again. Read my above response.
So the only way you'd consider military duty a career is if it was a time of peace and you think you wouldn't have to go fight anywhere?  Hello! The military isn't a daycare or a kindergarten. It is a fighting force. NOBODY should join the military, either as a career or for just 4 years unles they are willing to fight. That is the purpose of the military. It's not there simply as a source of college tuition. It's not a summer camp. It's nice that those who serve can get some nice extra benefits (as they should), but the military is there as a fighting force first and foremost.
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Rangel's twisted logic: You get killed in the service. If you are rich you go to school instead of the service. If you are poor, you have no choice but to go in the service. A greater percentage of minorities are poor than whites. A greater percentage of minorities are killed because they're forced by economics to sign up. Therefor a volunteer military is racist and is designed to kill black people. George Bush hates black people. The only way to fix this is reinstatement of the draft. That, or more after school basketball. |
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| Allthough I wouldnt want to see a draft for all the reasons posted so far, I would like to see some kind of mandatory military training for males after graduating high school. Just send them through basic training and a simplified infantry school. If we ever did need to draft to go fight a large enemy (china), it would be over before any draftees could be trained up. If they allready had a pool of men fresh out of basic to draft from, would maybe speed things up. |
I'd agree with that. Another benefit to society would be a reduction in the number of punks roaming around. A boot across the behind from a DI would take the snot out of them and they would be better people for it. Yes, no more "warm and fuzzy" in basic, back to the boot and KP. |
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Having everyone have some form of military training would accomplish two other things. 1. Everybody was in this program will have handled, carried and fired a weapon. Over 90% of the antis that I have run into have never even held a gun, much less fired one. 2. Everyone will get a taste of what military life is like and hopefully make them appreciate what the people who have volunteered to serve have sacrificed in order to defend our country. |
A big war with a real power might not last long enough for a draft to be of any use. It's the little fire fighting missions where you need the show of force, and a lot of boots to hold a lot of ground that you need the draft for. There isn't as much use for cannon fodder as there was in the olden days. |
And we'd all be better off if they came to that conclusion on their own rather than be forced into it. And the folks who want to be the military shouldn't be saddled with those that don't. |
| Long before this current round of draft non-sense, I'd read a number of memoirs of Vietnam vets who had served in one elite unit or another. A frequent reason for becoming a LRRP, or Marine, or Green Beret was to get out of serving with people who didn't want to be there. I think our current force is a lot better than any draft force we've ever had, and for much the same reason. |
You know you picked good friends when you walk to the recruiter together and enlist. |
Fear not, better men than yourself will continue to step up to the plate. |
You too have a point. Thats why the draft is one of the last options used. |
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Ya think there is more propaganda and scare tactics than real story there. |
Plus, I find it strange they would mention specifically that BUSH may need it, then go on to say that the test likely would not occur until 2009, at which point Bush will no longer even be President! |
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Hell it is the AP they may have just made it up as the went... like they seem to be doing in Iraq. |
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Being one who was drafted in 1968, ( I guess that makes me a "couch commando"), I have mixed emotions on this subject. I understand the concern with the professionals in the voluntary service having soldiers beside them who don't want to be there. On the other hand, this country did pretty damn good with the draft system. WWII was it's best example. One might not have chosen to be there, but they did just fine when it came to actual battles. There will always be an instinct to survive and protect your buddies whether one is drafted and properly trained, or volunteered and properly trained. I have a problem with an all voluntary service because it just let's the rest of the country of the hook for supporting the troops. I know everybody has a "sticker" but most sure wouldn't want their son or daughter to enlist if their was shooting invlolved. Until this country requires a personal involement by all citizens during wars, the guys and gals in the present services are underpaid, patriotic volunteer mercinaries for the idiots who give them orders to go in harms way. I'm all for it as long as they understand it. |
You ought to be ashamed... but I am sure you will not be. |
Let's see here, genius, you're 22.....so six years ago, a month before 9/11 , you were 16.....you don't register for the selective service until you're 18 years of age......NICE TRY BULLSHITTER! |
Really? So everyone should continue to benefit from the sacrifice of the few? Many industrialized nations have mandatory military service....and required reserve status after that... 
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Why should we make service for our children compulsary in order to benefit the Iraqis that wouldn't fight for their own freedom? Their kids sit back, waiting to ally themselves with whoever wins. I don't think that forcing US citizens to fight/die for Iraqi entitlements is reconcilable against governing "of the people, for the people," ... no matter what 'other' industrialized nations do. |
Who said anything about Iraqis?.....Our men fought for the Freedom of the Vietnamese, the South Koreans, freed countless indigenous peoples from Japanese oppression, shit, we even freed the freakin' FRENCH.....TWICE.....all I'm saying is every able bodied American should serve our country. That's my point, not where they get sent, or who they have to fight. |
It seems that alot of the news coming out of Irag tells of volunteers for the armed service and police as the ones being bombed, kidnapped, and threatened by the terrorists. It seems to me that I heard that deaths amongst Iraqis is much, Much higher than that of our service men. 
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Wow, I was thinking of how some of us have volunteered to go to those places, jumping at the chance when it appeared. IMHO, it would wreck the military to change the all volunteer status of the personnel. I don't believe that I would reenlist, and it's just not necessary to conscript folks...unless you have a political agenda which would be supported by a draft. |
Anything coherent to add? Conscription is forced servitude. A draft entails the government telling individuals that they WILL join the military or face the loss of their personal liberty. Do you have a better definition? |
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You served, but you didnt go until forced too? And you have the gall to call volunteers Mercanaries, WTF?? |
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just unreal. There are some seriously fucked-up people in your generation. |
And they KEEP signing up for the work. And the iraqis were bombed in their voting lines and got right back in line to vote. How can folks be so stupid as to spout demonstrable nonsense about what is actually happening in Iraq? |