Posted: 5/4/2007 12:30:29 PM EDT
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I keep seeing story after story, thread after thread, and complaint after complaint about the republicrats failure to secure our borders. I have however never seen a plausible answer as to how this would be accomplished. We have thousands of miles of both northern and southern border. Some land, some water, some desert and some forrest. I have seen suggestions to deploy the army, national gaurd, air force, coast gaurd, beef up the border patrol, sensors, fences, land mines, and various and sundry other things but never in all the grousing, one realistic comprehensive suggestion. I therefore posit this question to all those who fired the republicans and decry the democrats. How do you propose that we secure our borders? What steps would you take and how much money are you willing to spend to ensure their security? |
Thank you. I was noticing that for all the talk and bluster, no one had yet come up with an answer. They were willing to lose their gun rights forever because the Republicans wouldn't secure the border, but not one has a viable suggestion as to how to actually accomplish the task. |
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To me the solution is many faceted: #1 End all welfare to illegal aliens. This will be a huge cost savings - freeing up money to implement other soultions. #2 All illegals caught durring traffic stops are put on a bus ASAP - like same day. #3 The USA needs a guest worker program. There are simply too many low skilled jobs to be done. This should be highly regulated, Any employer who wants a foreign worker will be held responsible for their costs ( medical and legal - get sick employer pays, get arrested employer pays ( followed by deportation )) #4 All foreign workers that want a guest worker card need to apply at the US Embasy in their native country. Any person caught illegally in the USA will NEVER be allowed a guest worker card. #5 Heavy sanctions for employing illegals. And actually enforce this law. #6 End anchor baby NOW. #7 Build walls as needed. Shoot people trying to cross that wall #8 All illegals caught in the USA are to be sentenced to 1 year in a forced labor camp. They get to pick fruit for 12 hours per day and the prison keeps their wages. Second offence is 5 years. #9 Tell mexico to fuck off. They are encourageing this invasion. #10 Tax all money sent to mexico by 25%. |
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A friend of mine came up with a solution but since he's not a member I'll post it: (1) Get 5 Mexican Generals and give them each a bank account with $50 million dollars in it (2) For each 'border jumper' that gets through you deduct $20k (3) At the end of the year the Generals get to do what they wish with the remainder END of illegal immigrants. Cold hearted but no one else is saying shit. They may be thinking it but they don't have the balls (figuratively speaking, no pics --- please) to say anything. <flame retardant suit on> |
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First off, I think you'll get few replies not because folks here won't put up. If ARFCOM is one thing, it's opinionated. Instead, I think they see through your post. What is the purpose of asking for solutions here? So you can sit back and armchair flack ideas? What is the utility in that? Where are your solutions, if you are so desiring to be critical of others? I notice your posts were empty of useful information, other than sarscasm dripping with challenge. But in the spirit of the discussion, I think the borders would be better secured internally. Dry up the motivation, dry up the flow. Follow the money, right? Fine business owners and companies $100,000 for every illegal they find employed, and have agencies to enforce it... I believe hiring of illegals would disappear quickly. If necessary, increase legal status opportunities in specific industries. There's a start. ETA: This is obviously regarding our illegal situation, not creepy-crawlies sneaking in. |
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I fail to understand how the worlds most heavily armed nation couldn't defend a border. The mere suggestion that it can't be done is ridiculous. You spend more money on defense than any other country, yet you can't draw a line in sand and defend it? If the people in power wanted to do it, it would be done. Quite easily, I dare say. Building a wall out of brick and posting guards shouldn't be beyond the most armed nation on the planet. And there is always Claymore 
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| Partisan; you have some good ideas there but they rely on political cooperation - not going to happen. It's real simple to correct this problem; a state insta-check service like the one in place for gun purchases in many states. Landlords and employers are required to call-in before hiring and before renting to anyone - just to be fair to everyone. If the ID and social security number is good - rent or hire them without fear. If it's bad - press #2 for the INS pick-up service and delay them. If the landlord or employer turns in illegals - he gets $100. per head. If he hires or rents to illegals without verifying their status - 1st offense 1 year in jail, no plea bargains, no deals. Second offense 5 years. No work, no housing, no reason to stay in the US. This is a simple plan to put into motion, no big bucks needed to get it in place. Won't ever get done however - because it would actually work. |
Sounds great in theory, there are just too many bleeding hearts in control that don't want to see anyone suffer (aside from Americans, they don't give a flying fuck about us !!) I was going to make a bash against the extreme leftist dems, but the truth of the matter is there are so many 'media brainwashed' sheeple around you can't generalize (sp?) them by political orientation. I still say shut the borders down!! Totally!! No importation or exportation at all. America can be (and should be) totally self-sufficient. That would increase our moral as citizens, increase our economy, and decrease unemployment. I know that America is founded on immigrants, but we can NOT allow ourselfs to be strangled out of existence by allowing this shit to continue. <rant off> |
I've got to somewhat disagree. Our govt has become so pussified by the left that they are afraid / unwilling to do anything. Maybe we should tie de-illegalizing ( removing illegal aliens from the USA ) to the pension and/or earnings of govt employees. Make the govt employees pay more of the economic burden for their FAILURE to enforce immigration laws. The feds should also withhold $ from 'sanctuary cities' until they comply with federal law. BTW I like your instacheck for illegals. |
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IMO, set up a DMZ 1/4 of a mile wide, north to south. Chain link fences 12 feet hight, with razor wire on the top, nothing too aggressive. Post signs every 100 feet on the south side of the fence in both English, and Spanish. Along with pictures for the illiterate people, that shows if the DMZ is crossed, that means you will be shot. Post National Guard soldiers from each state, to protect their states border, CA, AZ, NM, and TX. Place each solder 1000 meters apart on the north side of the DMZ, in full gear with rifles and ammo. Make the positions comfortable with shelter from the sun. Every 6000-10,000 meters, place a small substation for the soldiers to get water, AC to get away from the heat, and a small rest area to relax on breaks. Im sure you can figure out the rest. |
What would your suggested ROE be when encountering someone trying to sneak in? |
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Motivation is everything. We would have put men on Mars by now if we had wanted to. Anyone who suggests that we couldn't stem the flow and secure our border is either being disingenuous or is a defeatist idiot of the highest order. The simple truth is that the majority of those in power do not WANT to do anything about our border problems. They have a vested, myopic, interest in maintaining the status quo. Go after employers, end sanctuary cities, end all benefits, and for God's sake end anchor babies and they'll all deport themselves. Not going to happen though because the whores and inmates are running the asylum. |
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You don't need a wall. You just need a means to verify a SSAN pre-employment, jail time for those who break the law and the will to enforce the law. The first requirement is being addressed partially with the Basic Pilot Employment Verification Program. It is an extension of the original Basic Pilot Program begun in 1996 to allow employers in certain pilot states (California, Florida, Illinois, New York, Texas, and later Nebraska) to verify the worker status of ALL new employees. This allows employers to hire legal immigrants with confidence and reduces the number of jobs available to illegal immigrants. The Basic Pilot program is now available to all employers nation-wide. The Basic Pilot Program works by requiring employers to enter all new employee’s I-9 form information (i.e. name and Social Security Number) into the Basic Pilot software and the information is then checked against Social Security Administration’s (SSA) and the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) databases. If the information is correct, the employer has immediate confirmation. If the information is not correct, the employer receives a tentative non-confirmation. It is then the employee’s responsibility to straighten out their records with SSA and DHS. The second two elements are what's missing. |
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Shoot a few and they will stop coming. If not, shoot a few more until they do stop. They kill an average of 14-15 Americans every day so killing a few of them would actually be protecting our citizens. Second, impeach any politician and put them in jail if they refuse to enforce the law against them. Thirdly, automatically fine any person who hires one $500,000, put them in jail for 10 years without parole, and forfeit their business. No work, no illegals. |
I would support this 110%. Hell, i'd volunteer to do it. |
OR, maybe we've been over this topic, multiple times. Most people support the wall/fence/actual enforcement/etc., and then Dave_A and the usual suspects show up with "You fools, you can't stop It's not like this is the first thread about this topic. Some just grow tired of the mexican's apologists. 
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A HUGE FENCE!!!! And armed guard towers every 500 yards!! Give Americans the opportunity to protect their country! Would YOU volunteer time to sit in a guard tower with a scoped rifle? I SURE WOULD!!! This is my country!!  |
What you're meaning to say is:
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Wow, you waited a whole 8 minutes to declare your question so tough that no one wants to answer it! I've given an outline here before with costs of building and manning it. I'd do it again, but it seems that you're not looking for an actual informed debate, you're just wanting to get someone to put forward position so you can call it "unreasonable" or throw out the "what are you going to do, kill women and children?" argument - which you've already done. From the looks of it, what you're trying to do is akin to every anti-gunner that starts up a gun control debate with pro-gun people and is only looking to shoot down any ideas and act superior while offering no solutions of your own. |
You got that right. It's just another bait thread, brought to you by the people whose 'solution' is to do nothing or give away the store to people who broke the law to get here illegally. Just another attempt to stir up shit. |
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1. Eliminate all social benefits to illegal aliens. 2. Deport those without proper papers. 3. Jail people and companies that employ illegal aliens. 4. Demand action from the govenment. 5. Quit blaming liberals since there has been a Republican Congress and President for the last six years and nothing has been done. 6. Put troops on our border with orders to shoot to kill. We are about to be overrun with illegals. I would rather see the money wasted in Iraq be spent securing our country. |
