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Posted: 8/20/2017 7:43:46 PM EST
It looks like it would be a great AR-15 trainer after my kids have had 10/22s for a few years but before they're ready for AR-15s.  Has anyone had any problems with the whole thing being plastic and breaking?  Are the mags reliable?
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:46:23 PM EST
When it comes to AR's I see little need for a 22 version. I had a older one. It was flawless, but made no sense when an AR has little recoil anyway. I sold mine.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:46:26 PM EST
Love mine. It's primarily used by my wife. Fun.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:48:57 PM EST
The overwhelming answer is yes. Haven't heard of many breaking. Extremely reliable and some if the best mags for a .22 AR. My boys loved it. It sat in the safe for a few years so I got a new cheapo 15" rail for it and conversion nut and now I can't wait to shoot it again.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:49:22 PM EST
I don't get the .22 AR thing. Train the kids on unloaded AR's and spend the money on something else? They have 10/22's already..
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:50:21 PM EST
This is what you seek...
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Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:53:42 PM EST
I have two. One is SBR'ed @4.5" and has a sparrow on it.

Had them for about 5 years. Flawless!
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:54:13 PM EST
I have the cz 512 tactical and it is pretty sweet. Bipod, scope and suppressor
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:56:09 PM EST
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I remember about 5 years ago they really pushed those conversion kits, and more recently I looked into them again to see what happened any why you don't see them very often anymore and why you especially don't see all of the options you used to.  It turns out they never really got them working that well.  They had a bunch of work arounds for forward assist, and LRBHO, and other things, and the kits just never performed that well.  When I went searching for information I found a lot of complaints on other forums about them, and it seems that only the most basic kit is even sold anymore, without any of the options people were hoping for.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:56:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2017 7:58:58 PM EST by daddytallguy]
Don't ask me:
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:57:23 PM EST
My grandkids love them.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:58:05 PM EST
does it take all the ar15 furniture that's out there?
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:58:11 PM EST
Btw I don't hate s&w and have a m&p 15 moe or whatever. Just liked the cz better
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:01:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathHates:


I don't get the .22 AR thing. Train the kids on unloaded AR's and spend the money on something else? They have 10/22's already..
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I'm thinking there's value to teaching them the battery of arms and handling of an AR-15 for 5 cents per round instead of 20-30 cents per round.  Ammo is always more expensive than the gun you shoot it through in the long run.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:01:42 PM EST
I have a basic one with a aim point, my kids love to shoot it. Runs flawless and even put up grade trigger springs from jp.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:02:08 PM EST
I have 4k rounds through mine and other than .22 ammo issues its been awesome. I have new shooters at the range shooting it constantly, cant load the mags fast enough
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:02:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By felrom:
I remember about 5 years ago they really pushed those conversion kits, and more recently I looked into them again to see what happened any why you don't see them very often anymore and why you especially don't see all of the options you used to.  It turns out they never really got them working that well.  They had a bunch of work arounds for forward assist, and LRBHO, and other things, and the kits just never performed that well.  When I went searching for information I found a lot of complaints on other forums about them, and it seems that only the most basic kit is even sold anymore, without any of the options people were hoping for.
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I've got one with a couple mags. It's a good plinker for basic fundamentals but definitely isn't a tight grouping at 100 yd. Have you thought about Archangel stock conversions? If you have a Ruger 10/22 already, changing the furniture to tactical styling by using one of their kits would get you in almost the same place as the MP-22.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:03:35 PM EST
Funnest gun to shoot. Get 2 if you can op
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:04:23 PM EST
Plus it is not blasty, loud, heavy, has an adjustable stock, cheaper to shoot, suppresses better, teaches them the battery of arms and the wife loves it.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:07:44 PM EST
I say yes. They are lightweight and cheaper to shoot. Nice rifles IMO...
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:08:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2017 9:16:42 PM EST by birdbarian]
Do you like to have fun on the cheap? If yes, buy one. Mine never ever stays home when I go to the range. Everybody who shoots it, loves it.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:12:48 PM EST
My wife has one of the original models and she loves it. I'd like to get a Sport model and suppress it. 
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:18:26 PM EST
Fun gun. I've been training my kids on it for a few years. My son shot 40/40 IWQ in basic this summer. I don't doubt it helped him.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:18:59 PM EST
I got one, it goes to the range every time, especially with the reemergence of reasonable .22 LR, it eats anything and shoots accurate enough for drills.

I say FO.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:21:26 PM EST
One of the most fun guns I own. Squirrel hunting, steel challenge matches, etc.

Get a 15-22. I tried the conv kit and hated it. The 15-22 will be much more accurate.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:22:53 PM EST
One of my funnest guns 
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:26:22 PM EST
Now that .22LR is becoming much more plentiful and the price is dropping I'd say buy one.

Cheap practice and overall a great gun. Get a loader for the mags. You will burn through the rounds quick.

Plenty accurate, my wife uses hers to keep the rabbit population down on our property.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:36:08 PM EST
I own two. My son, wife and everyone else who shoots it loves it. They are good, cheap to shoot, accurate and fun.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:42:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2017 8:45:15 PM EST by discworld717]
I love mine. My kid runs it pretty good from age ten up. Both SW factory mags and the Plinker tactical mags work. But the Plinker mags are harder to load. You can get mags Here. If your state allows it, get a factory threaded one and put a can on it. Mine is exceptionally quiet with Remington subsonics and a suppressor. It isn't movie quiet, but good enough.

BTW, I have a couple of 10-22s. They never leave the safe anymore.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 9:12:59 PM EST
I have 1000's of rounds through mine and only choked if I hadn't cleaned it after about 20 mags of federal bulk

Beauty of it over a conversion is the weight. Nothing plastic broke on it for me. It even replaced my 10/22 as primary pest buster due to the ease of mounting a light
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 9:26:08 PM EST
I have the older quad rail model. Picked up the m-lock sport for the wife and now she gets mad when I hit the range without her. No buyers remorse on either one.

I hope the HUSH bill gets moving as I plan on suppressing both.


The flash hiders/thread protectors were a bitch to get off.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 9:39:57 PM EST
I love mine.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 9:58:39 PM EST
I owned one, long gone now...

The mag's are 100% reliable
All in all they are good guns, IMO a little pricy for all that plastic
Aftermarket parts are limited
S&W customer service sucks, if you have a problem you'll have to send the whole rifle back to them, in general they wont sell you parts... FU S&W

The fire control group is plastic, the one I owned the trigger pins would walk.
If you buy one I'd suggest changing FCG, I used a CMC 3 1/2# with KNS trigger pins.


I built a few dedicated AR 22's
Here'a pistol 4 " barrel
Kinda short ya have to watch where you put your fingers
also pictured is my old M&P 1522 with slide-fire, FYI the trigger pins walked before the slide-fire
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Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:13:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By felrom:
I remember about 5 years ago they really pushed those conversion kits, and more recently I looked into them again to see what happened any why you don't see them very often anymore and why you especially don't see all of the options you used to.  It turns out they never really got them working that well.  They had a bunch of work arounds for forward assist, and LRBHO, and other things, and the kits just never performed that well.  When I went searching for information I found a lot of complaints on other forums about them, and it seems that only the most basic kit is even sold anymore, without any of the options people were hoping for.
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Mine works fantastic in a number of different guns. The only downside is dirtying up your 5.56 gun. If SHTF I'd carry an AR and one of these for small game. Seriously, mine is perfect and I have some Chiappa mags that work great with it too. The dedicated Chiappa 22 upper i bought literally went in the trash. It was utter garbage.

I also have an M&P 15-22. It is a blast to shoot and the light weight makes it perfect for taking kids and women out to the range. I highly recommend buying one. It's a really fun and reliable rifle
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:21:47 PM EST
The magazines are so reliable, people buy an adapter to use them in 22lr AR15s. They also have LRBHO.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:24:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:26:45 PM EST
Love mine
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:30:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2017 10:30:42 PM EST by tsg68]
I want one and a Rugged Oculus to go on it.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:39:22 PM EST
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Go dedicated or go home
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:51:17 PM EST
Never had a problem with mine.

Second most fun gun I own.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:53:07 PM EST
Best 22 I ever owned
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:53:16 PM EST
I'm quite fond of mine. Same AR controls, same great AR flavor, less filling.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 11:05:18 PM EST
This is the one you want, haven't posted a pic of it in a looong time. Was going to get the M&P until I won this.
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Sir James...
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 11:16:33 PM EST
They are great. You can add optics of any kind, and I think a dedicated 22 AR makes sense. The rifling is tailored to the cartridge.
I've found them to be accurate and reliable. The mags are cheap, often selling for less than $12. The mags are also easy to load.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 11:27:01 PM EST
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This is the one you want, haven't posted a pic of it in a looong time. Was going to get the M&P until I won this.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/156294/IMG_0707-285936.JPG



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What's the details on this?
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 11:30:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2017 11:31:53 PM EST by PhillyandBCEagles]
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Originally Posted By DeathHates:


I don't get the .22 AR thing. Train the kids on unloaded AR's and spend the money on something else? They have 10/22's already..
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Money is the big one

If you figure:

.22 AR - $400
22lr - 6 cpr
.223 - 25 cpr

Do the math, after 2106 rounds the 22 AR will have paid for itself

ETA you can even go on Amazon and get a cheap $40 Chinese knockoff of whatever optic you use on your primary AR
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 11:40:55 PM EST
I bought one.
Sold all of the 10/22's except the take-down.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:19:15 AM EST
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Was the January '12 Larue UHFO contest prize. The good folks over there at Larue put a feeler out to gauge interest in a dedicated .22 Upper/Rifle. Not sure how many made it into the wild. So they put the Tac Sol conversion into a PredatAR chassis. The prize was everything minus the Lower Damn thing is a hoot to shoot. Eats pretty much anything its fed save for that Remington Golden Bucket stuff. I put a Primary Arms red dot on it. Uses the Tac Sol and Black Dog mags. Think I will get it out on my next rage trip.


Sir James...
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:34:24 AM EST
My cmmg .22 upper has several thousand rounds through it. It goes to the range eveytime. And gets shot around the property at home a lot since its been suppressed. Only bummer is i have to share with the kids.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:39:24 AM EST
I have 6 ARs and one is a 22. I'll probably always have one, too much fun to not have it. 

Cheap ammo, can shoot steel at close range, rimfire competitions, all kinds of stuff. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:04:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/21/2017 2:05:28 AM EST by PredatorWhacker]
Originally Posted By felrom:
It looks like it would be a great AR-15 trainer after my kids have had 10/22s for a few years but before they're ready for AR-15s.  Has anyone had any problems with the whole thing being plastic and breaking?  Are the mags reliable?
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Yes, no and yes.
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