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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:14:44 AM EDT
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I can believe that, The fal is an excellent weapon.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:17:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:17:28 AM EDT
[#3]
Sounds like someone who's into FAL's decided to make up a story to make their favorite weapon sound relevent in the current scheme of things.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:17:54 AM EDT
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tagged for more info
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:19:34 AM EDT
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Thats often the case. Most grunts will have no clue who made them let alone what rifle it is. This sounds like a guy who is already into guns making up stuff. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:19:56 AM EDT
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right, the FAL was such a POS it was only used by 60+ countries 
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:20:18 AM EDT
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i've been around the .mil for years and years and have never seen more non-issue stuff floating around than now. we seem to be on some kinda testing/spending binge for the combat arms mos, which is a good thing in my book and about damn time!
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:20:47 AM EDT
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Most of the FAL stories I heard from Iraq, have been about rigs being purchased there. Real FN and Styer stuff.
But, DSA did submit FALs for evaluation for the SASS program. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:26:52 AM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:27:14 AM EDT
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FALs (real ones from FN and Steyr) are all over the Kurdish-populated northern regions of Iraq, and have been for decades.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:31:37 AM EDT
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Wasn't it Turkey's standard rifle? |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:35:21 AM EDT
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IIRC
DSA had such a long wait time for their USA made para stock system was because they had a mil order for rifles, and they wanted to get those done first. They stated pretty much that over on Jen's board |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:36:20 AM EDT
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No one's arguing that, the question is are they being used/evaluated NOW. That's what would have been made up. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:37:42 AM EDT
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It was the standard rifle of the entire western world except us of course. We didn't want to know about anything but that updated garand. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:40:57 AM EDT
[#15]
Yea, stupid us... we insist on the M-14 which also happens to be a better rifle |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:42:07 AM EDT
[#16]
Except it's not. The FAL is a much better weapon. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:45:09 AM EDT
[#17]
I am a fan of both. Given the choice, if my life depended upon it, I'd choose the FAL. As I said above, I am a big fan of both rifles. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:45:30 AM EDT
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Less than a page to devolve into another M-14/FAL debate. Now where did I put that popcorn...
ETA: It's like ringing a bell for Pavlov's dog. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:46:18 AM EDT
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You are well armed with either. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:48:29 AM EDT
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+1 Had both, sold my M1a and now have three fals |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:50:42 AM EDT
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No one is saying otherwise. I think. Some of us are simply saying that the FAL's engineering and design features make it...better. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:50:49 AM EDT
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When I was in Turkey all I saw were G3's |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:51:52 AM EDT
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Except it's not. The FAL is a much better weapon. +1 Our T48 FAL was superior in almost every way...NIH syndrome killed it more than anything else. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:53:07 AM EDT
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I'm a big fan of the AR15 philosophy on the M1A vs. FAL debate.
I got both. I like 'em both, too. 
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:53:19 AM EDT
[#25]
 Neither has anything on the Automat Kalashnikov |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:54:24 AM EDT
[#26]
Well not under 50 yds that is. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:54:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:59:21 AM EDT
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Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:01:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:02:09 AM EDT
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After 50 yds the .308 rules over the 7.62x39. It rules over it at under 50 yds also, but the ak can put down more rds. You might be able to hit a man size target with an ak at 250yds ( I can so I know many can) but, not with the precision or effectivness of the .308. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:02:21 AM EDT
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Think your laughing now? Wait until Rem700PSS comes in. 
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:02:35 AM EDT
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I have a hard time believing that.
Why would EOD want a larger weapon like that? EOD, by doctrine, does not go out and engage the enemy and most definitly does not at long ranges. Most would be more than happy with pistols or M4's. A large weapon just makes it harder for them to do thier job. There is not tactical need for EOD to have a .308. And definitly not need for them to go out and buy a non-standard arm with no logistical support. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:15:22 AM EDT
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It is to be said that our supply sergeant and XO were going through the 'catalogue' trying to find weird things to order that we could try out under the Army's 'combat evaluation programme'. Never got to the extent of new rifles though. We didn't need them, however, we had more weapons than we knew what to do with.
Locally acquired weapons are not unusual, I don't know about getting FALs through the system, but I don't see it as impossible. NTM |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:16:38 AM EDT
[#34]
Except range, penetration, better sights, and in the FAL's case superior ergonomics. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:24:58 AM EDT
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Yeah, it worked so well as a general service weapon that they began trying to fix it, gave up, and finally replaced it within 20 years. Meanwhile the Fal served and is still serving many countries for a long time. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:26:45 AM EDT
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sure, if your target is a village, or a heard of camels. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:27:20 AM EDT
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What with its great sights and peerless accuracy, how could you go wrong?  |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:30:50 AM EDT
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Finally some one who knows what they're talking about. +1 Bomber |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:13:15 PM EDT
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The guy behind the counter at the gun shop said when he was at SEAL summer camp, they were issuing Hesse FAL's to the troops heading to Iraq, and I better buy one before they all dry up!
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:17:52 PM EDT
[#40]
Actually it was a lot more than 60. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:18:49 PM EDT
[#41]
There that's better. More gas for the fire I sold my M1a and I will fight to keep my FAL |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:28:40 PM EDT
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In .308, I'll take my AR10s and my Savage 10FP. Not knocking the others, just my preferences.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:29:21 PM EDT
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AR15?
FAL? AK-47? PffffT!! Samozaryadnyi Karabin Sistemi Simonova Obrazets 1945 BABY!! |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:30:08 PM EDT
[#44]
oooh, is that the gun al pachino used in heat? |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:32:38 PM EDT
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Damn, that SKS rules over every other rifle in the history of mankind! 
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:34:47 PM EDT
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Got 3 of those, one Norinco, 2 Yugos, no Russian. Absolutely cannot beat them insofar as bang for the buck goes. Absolutely reliable and I love the 10 round stripper clips. Beats the hell out of messing with a mag on it. Been there, done that, no thanks. |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:37:08 PM EDT
[#47]
+1. I had a G3 pointed at me when I got too close to the fence.....oops |
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:41:17 PM EDT
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I would extremely doubt that Army EOD especially 52nd Ord Grp would go out and buy FAL's as they are cheap fuckers. You are correct Garand_Shooter, EOD personnel prefer M4 sized weapons as they are much easier to handle on the job. For example EOD personal squat down alot to look at ordnance, with an M-16 or larger weapon, you have to be aware of your muzzle or butt if you have it slung across your back, you don't want to be hitting any UXO's inadvertantly. EOD is also very dependant on other units for security, a typical Army EOD team is about 3 EOD techs, hell a EOD Company if its lucky is only about 21 personnel. (What a joke, a Company that is only the size of a Platoon) EOD could use a 7.62 Sniper rifle to be used to shoot and disrupt small ordnance items, the Barrett is overkill and its better suited for larger ordnance. As far as engaging enemy at long range, one of my EOD buddy's was quite well known for shooting Skinny's with a Barrett and a M-14 in Somalia. He also killed the Egyptian Army's goat that was to be used for some ROP ceremony. 
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:42:08 PM EDT
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As if whatever rifle a grunt is using in BFE, Asscrackistan has anything to do with me sitting here finger-fucking some pristine rifles and putting them back in the safe.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:59:07 PM EDT
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Sounds like alot of gear is bought by the GIs themselves, or their families, also. Great opportunity to try things out though. |
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