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Posted: 1/11/2020 3:09:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.7x28 SS197 40gr V-Max from Five Seven: https://i.ibb.co/FgS3Hq2/Screen-Shot-2020-01-06-at-6-41-42-PM.png 9mm 124gr FMJ NATO, G19: https://i.ibb.co/7rL3Jhp/Screen-Shot-2020-01-06-at-6-46-59-PM.png So the 5.7 is comfortably a 200yd Pistol; 21" drop, and at 1175fps, hitting like a 40gr CCI Mini Mag from a 10/22 at the muzzle. Its not setting the world on fire, but nothing to sneeze at, especially when we factor in the much higher hit probability due to the flatter trajectory. Also, for the old .22 Mag comparison, 40gr 5.7 at 150yd 1287fps = 40gr .22 Mag at the muzzle from the PMR 30: https://gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30-2.htm Those rounds and the guns that shoot them are well known and well understood by the overwhelming majority of shooters. They are standard reference points for tens or hundreds of millions of people. With 40gr bullets being the common denominator across the board, The performance of the average .22 LR rifle closely equates to a .22 Mag pistol. The performance of the average .22 Mag rifle closely equates to a 5.7 pistol The performance of the average 5.7 rifle closely equates to a .22 TCM pistol. The performance of the average 22TCM rifle equates to the average .22 Hornet rifle. A friend EDCs a PMR-30. He explained it to someone "It's about like a .22 magnum rifle only smaller and lighter and it's on my hip and it holds 30 rounds." That someone instantly understood the reference point and got the concept at the same time. And the LGS sold another PMR. There are three prime things to consider about about 5.7 ammo currently on the market. Federals American Eagle line is known and easily recognized. AE .40gr is more likely to be on a shelf in more locations than any other 5.7x28 round. And it costs less. YMMV. Bump for the night crew. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 3:19:17 AM EDT
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Thats why I used it as the basis of comparison. SS197 is underloaded, yet even this most common of 5.7 ammo performs very well out to 200yds. That said, here is the data for the Elite Protector / typical 40gr V-Max handload @1950fps: https://i.ibb.co/gW5cM5p/Screen-Shot-2020-01-09-at-5-27-25-PM.png Sadly, I am not aware of any accurate G1/G7 info on the 27gr SS198/24m projectile, so I can't do a chart for those. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FN SS197 (Blue Tip) is crap, it’s one of the lightest loaded rounds available in 5.7x28mm. The only weaker load available is Federal American Eagle. BOTH aforementioned loads are loaded by Fiocchi in Ozark, MO. That said, here is the data for the Elite Protector / typical 40gr V-Max handload @1950fps: https://i.ibb.co/gW5cM5p/Screen-Shot-2020-01-09-at-5-27-25-PM.png Sadly, I am not aware of any accurate G1/G7 info on the 27gr SS198/24m projectile, so I can't do a chart for those. If they are not identical then that ballistic chart only applies to the V-Max and not the EA Protector or vice versa. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 5:14:33 AM EDT
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@21Brutus
Could you do me a favor with your Ruger 57? Empty chamber, action closed. Drop a cleaning round/dowel/whatever down the muzzle & mark it at the muzzle. Measure from the end that was inside the barrel to the mark. This is how the WI DNR measures barrel length and for a pistol to be legal for deer hunting it needs to be .22cal+ and 5.5" long. Ruger lists the barrel as 4.94" and I'm assuming they likely measure in a similar fashion but I'd like to verify it. I don't personally plan to deer hunt with one, but I'd like to know if it would be legal. Thanks man! |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 6:03:44 AM EDT
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Are you certain the BC and SD of the EA Protector are identical to the 40gr V-Max ? If they are not identical then that ballistic chart only applies to the V-Max and not the EA Protector or vice versa. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FN SS197 (Blue Tip) is crap, it’s one of the lightest loaded rounds available in 5.7x28mm. The only weaker load available is Federal American Eagle. BOTH aforementioned loads are loaded by Fiocchi in Ozark, MO. That said, here is the data for the Elite Protector / typical 40gr V-Max handload @1950fps: https://i.ibb.co/gW5cM5p/Screen-Shot-2020-01-09-at-5-27-25-PM.png Sadly, I am not aware of any accurate G1/G7 info on the 27gr SS198/24m projectile, so I can't do a chart for those. If they are not identical then that ballistic chart only applies to the V-Max and not the EA Protector or vice versa. I was more thinking it a chart for 40gr Handloads (I figure more are likely to be handloading 5.7 then buying any quantity of the Protector.) And most are handloading with the VMAX then the Nosler. That said, Nosler claims a higher BC for their 40gr; 0.221 G1 vs the 0.20 G1 for the 40gr Nosler. https://shop.nosler.com/ballistic-tip-varmint-22-caliber-40-grain-bullet-250ct.html So the original chart I posted actually slightly underestimates the Elite Protector. 40gr Nosler Elite Protector: 
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Posted: 1/11/2020 11:19:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve seen that before too, but much more often with non-FN knock-off P90 magazines. In my limited experience, seems like on the non-OEM “cheap” mags, the feed lips wear fast, and then don’t hold the cartridge firmly enough. Thus, the “looser” cartridge can go nose high as it’s being stripped from the mag, hits high on the chamber rim, resulting in a push in or bullet-bender as shown in the pic above. Usually takes hundreds of rounds, so while they work well initially, they quickly get sloppy and the problems start. Do you happen to know if yours occurred with an OEM mag, or an aftermarket mag? |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 12:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are millions of .22 rifles and pistols in existence. There are millions of .22 magnum rifles and pistols in existence. 40 grain bullets are the de facto standard for those rounds. Those rounds and the guns that shoot them are well known and well understood by the overwhelming majority of shooters. They are standard reference points for tens or hundreds of millions of people. With 40gr bullets being the common denominator across the board, The performance of the average .22 LR rifle closely equates to a .22 Mag pistol. The performance of the average .22 Mag rifle closely equates to a 5.7 pistol The performance of the average 5.7 rifle closely equates to a .22 TCM pistol. The performance of the average 22TCM rifle equates to the average .22 Hornet rifle. A friend EDCs a PMR-30. He explained it to someone "It's about like a .22 magnum rifle only smaller and lighter and it's on my hip and it holds 30 rounds." That someone instantly understood the reference point and got the concept at the same time. And the LGS sold another PMR. There are three prime things to consider about about 5.7 ammo currently on the market. Federals American Eagle line is known and easily recognized. AE .40gr is more likely to be on a shelf in more locations than any other 5.7x28 round. And it costs less. YMMV. Bump for the night crew. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 12:51:36 PM EDT
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This thread has convinced me I do really want a 22 TCM in an RIA Tac Ultra. Still trying to decide whether I want the high capacity one or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There are millions of .22 rifles and pistols in existence. There are millions of .22 magnum rifles and pistols in existence. 40 grain bullets are the de facto standard for those rounds. Those rounds and the guns that shoot them are well known and well understood by the overwhelming majority of shooters. They are standard reference points for tens or hundreds of millions of people. With 40gr bullets being the common denominator across the board, The performance of the average .22 LR rifle closely equates to a .22 Mag pistol. The performance of the average .22 Mag rifle closely equates to a 5.7 pistol The performance of the average 5.7 rifle closely equates to a .22 TCM pistol. The performance of the average 22TCM rifle equates to the average .22 Hornet rifle. A friend EDCs a PMR-30. He explained it to someone "It's about like a .22 magnum rifle only smaller and lighter and it's on my hip and it holds 30 rounds." That someone instantly understood the reference point and got the concept at the same time. And the LGS sold another PMR. There are three prime things to consider about about 5.7 ammo currently on the market. Federals American Eagle line is known and easily recognized. AE .40gr is more likely to be on a shelf in more locations than any other 5.7x28 round. And it costs less. YMMV. Bump for the night crew. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 2:05:24 PM EDT
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@Maverick52
I measured an even 5”....as you directed. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 2:07:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why wouldn't you? |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 2:19:56 PM EDT
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I have smallish hands. The Sar K2-45 is a bit too large, Beretta 92 is fine. I haven't held one of the wide body Rock Islands yet to see how it fits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/11/2020 2:21:29 PM EDT
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@Maverick52 I measured an even 5”....as you directed. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 2:52:09 PM EDT
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Thank you very much! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@Maverick52 I measured an even 5”....as you directed. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 2:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Give it some time, and either Ruger or the aftermarket will offer a threaded barrel that will be longer. The aftermarket may eventually offer 6" barrels for those who want to get as much velocity as they can. I half just wanted to know how Ruger specs are measured and half just wanted to know what the DNR would consider it. I could see a warden trying to argue some BS about it... |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 3:33:13 PM EDT
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Well I got a hold one at our gun show here today. It is longer than I thought it was gonna be. I was surprised how very slender it was.
Super light, sure it will feel “normal” with a full mag. Asking price was $899 
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Posted: 1/11/2020 3:34:50 PM EDT
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I sold a few of the first run of RIA 9mm/.22TCM pistols when they first came out, and at the time I EDC'd a Beretta M9A1. I have tiny girly hands (the Beretta grip was a tad bigger than I preferred but I liked it for other reasons). I found the RIA double-stack grip to be excellent in size. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/11/2020 3:36:22 PM EDT
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Yeah I figured a threaded version may meet the required length. I half just wanted to know how Ruger specs are measured and half just wanted to know what the DNR would consider it. I could see a warden trying to argue some BS about it... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Give it some time, and either Ruger or the aftermarket will offer a threaded barrel that will be longer. The aftermarket may eventually offer 6" barrels for those who want to get as much velocity as they can. I half just wanted to know how Ruger specs are measured and half just wanted to know what the DNR would consider it. I could see a warden trying to argue some BS about it... |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 3:45:46 PM EDT
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In Ohio the 5" does NOT include the chamber; just a data point. The ATF measures the way you did. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 4:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably something left over from the days when people thought that handgun hunting meant buying a large revolver in a magnum caliber, since that's how revolver barrel length is commonly measured. That sort of thinking kept Tennessee hunters from using handguns chambered in calibers like .30-30 and .308Win for many years (had to be larger bore than that, for handgun hunting), until the regulations eventually caught up with reality. So I got a 10.5" 450 Bushmaster. Haven't used it yet. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 4:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Ohio the 5" does NOT include the chamber; just a data point. The ATF measures the way you did. Quote HistoryQuoted: In Ohio the 5" does NOT include the chamber; just a data point. The ATF measures the way you did. Handguns must use center-fire cartridges of .22 caliber or larger and have a 5½ inch minimum barrel length measured from the firing pin to the muzzle with the action closed. Quoted: Probably something left over from the days when people thought that handgun hunting meant buying a large revolver in a magnum caliber, since that's how revolver barrel length is commonly measured. That sort of thinking kept Tennessee hunters from using handguns chambered in calibers like .30-30 and .308Win for many years (had to be larger bore than that, for handgun hunting), until the regulations eventually caught up with reality. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 5:19:25 PM EDT
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I always thought the 5.7 was over looked and under rated for use as a competition gun. I shot a few informal comps with it and did ok considering it wasn't a gun I practiced with a lot. The lack of recoil and easy follow up shots made me quicker. But ammo cost and lack aftermarket support kept me from choosing it as anything other than range toy. With new entrants into the market hopefully both of those issues will resolve as well as the access to ammo that takes full advantage of the 5.7's capabilities. For those discussing the RIA 22tcm/9mm guns. I have this one https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/tcm-series/tcm-tac-ultra-fs-hc-combo-22tcm-9mm/ I've only put 200 rounds of tcm through it as a novelty and I had zero malfunctions but honestly I put the 9mm barrel back in and never looked back. Neat round and big fireball.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thing would be awesome for Cola Warrior with RDS and the 20 round mags. My Optimus micro would work great on it too For those discussing the RIA 22tcm/9mm guns. I have this one https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/tcm-series/tcm-tac-ultra-fs-hc-combo-22tcm-9mm/ I've only put 200 rounds of tcm through it as a novelty and I had zero malfunctions but honestly I put the 9mm barrel back in and never looked back. Neat round and big fireball. 40 grain × 1,700 fps÷ 1000= 68 power factor |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 5:52:33 PM EDT
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Well I got a hold one at our gun show here today. It is longer than I thought it was gonna be. I was surprised how very slender it was. Super light, sure it will feel “normal” with a full mag. Asking price was $899 He said orders for the 57 have far outstripped production, so I would expect prices to be like that for a while. Jay |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 5:57:11 PM EDT
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The 5.7 ammo isn't even close to minimum power factor (125) for the popular competitions. 40 grain × 1,700 fps÷ 1000= 68 power factor Quote HistoryQuoted:
The 5.7 ammo isn't even close to minimum power factor (125) for the popular competitions. 40 grain × 1,700 fps÷ 1000= 68 power factor Quoting myself from a couple of pages ago.... Quoted: It’s SPECIFICALLY allowed in NRA Police Pistol Competition (PPC) Distinguished Semi-Automatic Pistol: Factory manufactured (catalog item) center-fire semi- automatic pistol capable of chambering and firing .35 caliber or larger ammunition, or FN 5.7 x 28 caliber ammunition. Trigger pull must not be less than 3.5 pounds single or double action. All double action semi-automatic pistols must fire the first shot of every stage double action except at the 50 yard line. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 6:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on the competition.... Quoting myself from a couple of pages ago.... 
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Posted: 1/11/2020 6:49:28 PM EDT
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The one thing that sticks with me on PPC allowing 5.7x28mm is it indicates that it’s common enough in Law Enforcement use that it’s specifically allowed in PPC Competitions.
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Posted: 1/11/2020 8:04:53 PM EDT
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Give it some time, and either Ruger or the aftermarket will offer a threaded barrel that will be longer. The aftermarket may eventually offer 6" barrels for those who want to get as much velocity as they can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@Maverick52 I measured an even 5”....as you directed. A 6" longslide in 5.7x28 would be awesome. Similar to the Glock 40 10mm or 17L, for squeezing out every last FPS. Even cooler would be a 6" longslide with a full length railed dustcover, but that's being greedy. 
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Posted: 1/11/2020 8:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was something I was thinking about the other day. A 6" longslide in 5.7x28 would be awesome. Similar to the Glock 40 10mm or 17L, for squeezing out every last FPS. Even cooler would be a 6" longslide with a full length railed dustcover, but that's being greedy. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 10:01:49 PM EDT
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ahh competitions. Things I never understand. Ohh your pistol has to fit in this box. Ohh your round has to make this much energy. Ohh you can only put 10 rounds inside your 20 rd magazine.. Quoted: That was something I was thinking about the other day. A 6" longslide in 5.7x28 would be awesome. Similar to the Glock 40 10mm or 17L, for squeezing out every last FPS. Even cooler would be a 6" longslide with a full length railed dustcover, but that's being greedy.
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Posted: 1/11/2020 10:03:02 PM EDT
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Will they make an American rifle for it as well?
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Posted: 1/11/2020 11:44:04 PM EDT
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ahh competitions. Things I never understand. Ohh your pistol has to fit in this box. Ohh your round has to make this much energy. Ohh you can only put 10 rounds inside your 20 rd magazine.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Depending on the competition.... Quoting myself from a couple of pages ago.... In actuality, competition is great for any number of reasons: gun handling, speed and accuracy, moving while shooting, shooting under stress, forcing fundamentals, shooting around cover, etc. After I started shooting USPSA, IDPA, and bowling pin competitions I became a much better shooter. You sound like some of the police officers that would show up, get smoked by any number of civilians, and then complain that it's not realistic. It's not realistic, it's a game. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 11:47:19 PM EDT
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Depending on the competition.... Quoting myself from a couple of pages ago.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 5.7 ammo isn't even close to minimum power factor (125) for the popular competitions. 40 grain × 1,700 fps÷ 1000= 68 power factor Quoting myself from a couple of pages ago.... Quoted: It’s SPECIFICALLY allowed in NRA Police Pistol Competition (PPC) Distinguished Semi-Automatic Pistol: Factory manufactured (catalog item) center-fire semi- automatic pistol capable of chambering and firing .35 caliber or larger ammunition, or FN 5.7 x 28 caliber ammunition. Trigger pull must not be less than 3.5 pounds single or double action. All double action semi-automatic pistols must fire the first shot of every stage double action except at the 50 yard line. 
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Posted: 1/11/2020 11:49:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rules like that just put you on an even playing field for whatever the competition is. In actuality, competition is great for any number of reasons: gun handling, speed and accuracy, moving while shooting, shooting under stress, etc. After I started shooting USPSA, IDPA, and bowling pin competitions I became a much better shooter. You sound like some of the police officers that would show up, get smoked by any number of civilians, and then complain that it's not realistic. It's not realistic, it's a game. |
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Posted: 1/11/2020 11:59:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rules like that just put you on an even playing field for whatever the competition is. In actuality, competition is great for any number of reasons: gun handling, speed and accuracy, moving while shooting, shooting under stress, forcing fundamentals, shooting around cover, etc. After I started shooting USPSA, IDPA, and bowling pin competitions I became a much better shooter. You sound like some of the police officers that would show up, get smoked by any number of civilians, and then complain that it's not realistic. It's not realistic, it's a game. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:07:09 AM EDT
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I have smallish hands. The Sar K2-45 is a bit too large, Beretta 92 is fine. I haven't held one of the wide body Rock Islands yet to see how it fits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:07:14 AM EDT
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Gun games with strict rules are silly. If you’re dumb enough to choose a low cap pistol then you should suffer the penalty that comes with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Rules like that just put you on an even playing field for whatever the competition is. In actuality, competition is great for any number of reasons: gun handling, speed and accuracy, moving while shooting, shooting under stress, forcing fundamentals, shooting around cover, etc. After I started shooting USPSA, IDPA, and bowling pin competitions I became a much better shooter. You sound like some of the police officers that would show up, get smoked by any number of civilians, and then complain that it's not realistic. It's not realistic, it's a game. You can't just show up to an MLB game and use an aluminum bat.....games have rules. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:07:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rules like that just put you on an even playing field for whatever the competition is. In actuality, competition is great for any number of reasons: gun handling, speed and accuracy, moving while shooting, shooting under stress, forcing fundamentals, shooting around cover, etc. After I started shooting USPSA, IDPA, and bowling pin competitions I became a much better shooter. You sound like some of the police officers that would show up, get smoked by any number of civilians, and then complain that it's not realistic. It's not realistic, it's a game. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:13:12 AM EDT
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I carried my FSN for my EDC for quite some time, and was confident in it's ability and performance. But that magic PF says my gun isn't good enough for that sport, so I just chose not to participate. I've done some informal matches where the hosting body allowed you to run what you brung, and I had a blast and learned a lot :) Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Rules like that just put you on an even playing field for whatever the competition is. In actuality, competition is great for any number of reasons: gun handling, speed and accuracy, moving while shooting, shooting under stress, forcing fundamentals, shooting around cover, etc. After I started shooting USPSA, IDPA, and bowling pin competitions I became a much better shooter. You sound like some of the police officers that would show up, get smoked by any number of civilians, and then complain that it's not realistic. It's not realistic, it's a game. Feel free to bring the 5.7 to a bowling pin shoot and see what advantage you have. 
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:15:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never even heard of that. I said "popular". PPC is where Ron Power made his name as THE go to guy for having a PPC revolver built. Ron Power Charter Member American Pistolsmiths Guild 1986 Pistolsmith of the Year Award Life Memberships: N.R.A 1991 Received the N.R.A Professional Public Service Award Outstanding American Handgunner 1992 Top-10 Outstanding American Handgunner Award 1996 Top-6 Outstanding American Handgunner Award 1998 Top-4 Outstanding American Handgunner Award 1999 Top-3 Outstanding American Handgunner Award Missouri Sport Shooting Association Kansas Rifle & Pistol Association Member: Handgun Hunter International American Trap Association Safari Club American Hangunners Club 100 Police Marksman Association Varmint Hunters Association LINK to NRA PPC Page |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:22:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're looking way too far into it. By requiring a minimum power factor they (the competitions) are not saying fuck all about terminal performance, results on the street, nothing. All they're saying is that you would be at an advantage over other calibers because in theory, your split times COULD be faster given everything else being equal...that's all. It's a game, not a measure of performance on the street. Feel free to bring the 5.7 to a bowling pin shoot and see what advantage you have. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:23:00 AM EDT
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Will they make an American rifle for it as well? A bolt action would also be a great test bed for reloads / allow the use of brass that is beyond its shelf life for semi auto. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:24:19 AM EDT
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Feel free to bring the 5.7 to a bowling pin shoot and see what advantage you have.
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:36:03 AM EDT
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Understood. Not much, as either 5.7 goes through the pins or takes 2-3 shots per pin to knock down :D The Deagle is better for that ! The 5.7 for obvious reasons, and the .44 mag deagle was too slow. Plenty of power obviously, but too slow between pins to compete with .40/.45. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:38:02 AM EDT
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I’ve never been attacked by a bowling pin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Feel free to bring the 5.7 to a bowling pin shoot and see what advantage you have.
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Posted: 1/12/2020 12:48:45 AM EDT
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Well, if I ever get attached by a bowling pin or something made from cardboard cut into silhouette shapes I'll most certainly be safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Feel free to bring the 5.7 to a bowling pin shoot and see what advantage you have.  WJW Fox 8 Cleveland does a ridiculous story on a bear in a lady''s backyard |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 1:51:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You never know. You might walk out into your backyard, and there's a bear silhouette coming out of the woods.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5C2gihnEkE
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Posted: 1/12/2020 1:56:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG! A cardboard bear silhouette! |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 2:06:33 AM EDT
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I had a lizzard on my stove top this evening. 5.7x28mm would be sufficient for lizzard, but would I have hurt my neighbor if I missed the lizzard and shot the duplex wall?
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Posted: 1/12/2020 2:22:37 AM EDT
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I met with one of the Ruger bosses and some of their employees a few days under some sad circumstances. He said orders for the 57 have far outstripped production, so I would expect prices to be like that for a while. Jay Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I got a hold one at our gun show here today. It is longer than I thought it was gonna be. I was surprised how very slender it was. Super light, sure it will feel “normal” with a full mag. Asking price was $899 He said orders for the 57 have far outstripped production, so I would expect prices to be like that for a while. Jay Thats some interesting news. Bad for the short term, but in the long term very promiaing for future guns and ammo production. Thank you for letting us know. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 2:59:25 AM EDT
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While I hate to think that someone close to you died. Thats some interesting news. Bad for the short term, but in the long term very promiaing for future guns and ammo production. Thank you for letting us know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I got a hold one at our gun show here today. It is longer than I thought it was gonna be. I was surprised how very slender it was. Super light, sure it will feel “normal” with a full mag. Asking price was $899 He said orders for the 57 have far outstripped production, so I would expect prices to be like that for a while. Jay Thats some interesting news. Bad for the short term, but in the long term very promiaing for future guns and ammo production. Thank you for letting us know. |
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Posted: 1/12/2020 4:03:48 AM EDT
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You have to wonder whether the Russians are watching this. Maybe they'll tool up to make steelcase 5.7mm ammo and sell it to us for cheap plinking.
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Posted: 1/12/2020 10:11:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You won't want the double stack then. Had one, sold it. Not a big fan of 1911's to begin with but the grip was a bit too big on the double stack. I do still have a SAR K2 like you mentioned. Maybe try a Glock with a 9r conversion? I guess I need to go to a real city and find a gun store with a widebody in stock to try. Preferably as a range rental. |
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