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Posted: 9/14/2005 11:13:21 AM EDT
coming....
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:14:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
coming....



Going...

Are they asking about it right now? Can I catch it on CSPAN?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:15:01 AM EDT
tag.

Not sure which thread dupe.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:15:45 AM EDT
feingold is a supporter of the individual interpretation????

roberts:

conflict among circuits...

won't answer

seems to be very familiar with Miller

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:16:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
coming....



Going...

Are they asking about it right now? Can I catch it on CSPAN?



On C-Span split screen. Interviewed by Feingold, a GUN GRABBER.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:16:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:17:27 AM EDT by ASNixon]
Sweet... Feingold is a believer in the individual right... I never would have believed it if I didn't hear it straight from his mouth.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:18:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Roberts on 2nd



If he gets a big enough lead, he can probably steal third.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:19:56 AM EDT
He fucking dodged the question. He (I think it was him, I have audio only) also said that sawed off shotguns didn't fit the militia aspect of the second. It seems that he agrees with the Miller decision.

So if I remove 1" from my rifle, it no longer serves any usefull purpose as a militia weapon? This is kind of pissing me off.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:20:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
coming....



Going...

Are they asking about it right now? Can I catch it on CSPAN?



On C-Span split screen. Interviewed by Feingold, a GUN GRABBER.



It's amazing that the people of Wisconsin, with such a HUGE hunting tradition can vote for this guy.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:21:08 AM EDT
So what did he say? Collectivists or individualist??????????????? Supporter or not?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:22:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:
He fucking dodged the question. He (I think it was him, I have audio only) also said that sawed off shotguns didn't fit the militia aspect of the second. It seems that he agrees with the Miller decision.

So if I remove 1" from my rifle, it no longer serves any usefull purpose as a militia weapon? This is kind of pissing me off.



No, he said that Miller didn't opine on a collective/individual interpretation.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:23:35 AM EDT



i don't have a problem with him not saying much on the issue. if he does, the democrats will jump all over him.

i want to SEE what he does.


Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:24:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dukota:

It's amazing that the people of Wisconsin, with such a HUGE hunting tradition can vote for this guy.



Uh uh, look at Pennsylvania and who we have for a Governer.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:26:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
So what did he say? Collectivists or individualist??????????????? Supporter or not?



couldn't comment.

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:26:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dukota:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
coming....



Going...

Are they asking about it right now? Can I catch it on CSPAN?



On C-Span split screen. Interviewed by Feingold, a GUN GRABBER.



It's amazing that the people of Wisconsin, with such a HUGE hunting tradition can vote for this guy.



Tell me about it!!! It's so infuriating. The guy is practically the pope here in WI. Just about everybody loves him, even a lot of the Republicans and other conservatives.

I voted against him personally last fall, but that was an absolutely futile effort. He won by a landslide.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:26:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SINCE_1829:

Originally Posted By Dukota:

It's amazing that the people of Wisconsin, with such a HUGE hunting tradition can vote for this guy.



Uh uh, look at Pennsylvania and who we have for a Governer.



HUNTERS not gun owners
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:27:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:
He fucking dodged the question. He (I think it was him, I have audio only) also said that sawed off shotguns didn't fit the militia aspect of the second. It seems that he agrees with the Miller decision.

So if I remove 1" from my rifle, it no longer serves any usefull purpose as a militia weapon? This is kind of pissing me off.



No, he said that Miller didn't opine on a collective/individual interpretation.



OK. I think I came into it a tad too late. I wonder if I can get a transcript?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:27:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:


i don't have a problem with him not saying much on the issue. if he does, the democrats will jump all over him.

i want to SEE what he does.



Hopefully, It's in our favour
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:30:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
feingold is a supporter of the individual interpretation????

roberts:

conflict among circuits...

won't answer

seems to be very familiar with Miller




Fiengold changed some parts of his stance on the 2nd over the last couple years. We pounded on him constantly in the last year run up to the AWB sunset.

His replies usually contained this or something along those lines.
"I voted against the amendment because I believe that prohibiting certain types of weapons is problamatic. " though that exact quote came from a letter in regards to all the amendments that the dems were trying to add to the lawsuit pre-emption bill at the time. And why he voted agains tthe AWB amendment to that bill.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:32:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
coming....



Going...

Are they asking about it right now? Can I catch it on CSPAN?



On C-Span split screen. Interviewed by Feingold, a GUN GRABBER.



what the hell are you talking about? He sided with gun owners on the AWB, he voted against an amendment to the protection of lawful commerce in arms act that would have reinstated the AWB. see my above post. And he is against any other AWBs.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:33:46 AM EDT
to sum up, Roberts knew the opinions of 5th and 9th circuits, and was pretty familiar with Miller.

interpret that however you want.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:34:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By photoman:
what the hell are you talking about? He sided with gun owners on the AWB, he voted against an amendment to the protection of lawful commerce in arms act that would have reinstated the AWB. see my above post. And he is against any other AWBs.



I din't think there were Dems like him.

I wish all of the Repubs were more like him
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:36:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ASNixon:
Sweet... Feingold is a believer in the individual right... I never would have believed it if I didn't hear it straight from his mouth.



Feingold was for the AWB in '94 (I believe he sponsored it) but was against it in '04....
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:37:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:


i don't have a problem with him not saying much on the issue. if he does, the democrats will jump all over him.

i want to SEE what he does.





The problem with seeing what he does means it is too late, as he will already be on the supreme court.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:38:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
to sum up, Roberts knew the opinions of 5th and 9th circuits, and was pretty familiar with Miller.

interpret that however you want.




Educate me here. Miller was the ruling on sawed off shotguns and military hardware in civilian hands right? What was short version of the 2 rulings I assume they conflict.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:38:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By photoman:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
feingold is a supporter of the individual interpretation????

roberts:

conflict among circuits...

won't answer

seems to be very familiar with Miller




Fiengold changed some parts of his stance on the 2nd over the last couple years. We pounded on him constantly in the last year run up to the AWB sunset.

His replies usually contained this or something along those lines.
"I voted against the amendment because I believe that prohibiting certain types of weapons is problamatic. " though that exact quote came from a letter in regards to all the amendments that the dems were trying to add to the lawsuit pre-emption bill at the time. And why he voted agains tthe AWB amendment to that bill.



We'll take Feingold here in Ohio and you can have Dewine...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:39:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By photoman:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
coming....



Going...

Are they asking about it right now? Can I catch it on CSPAN?



On C-Span split screen. Interviewed by Feingold, a GUN GRABBER.



what the hell are you talking about? He sided with gun owners on the AWB, he voted against an amendment to the protection of lawful commerce in arms act that would have reinstated the AWB. see my above post. And he is against any other AWBs.



Yes, but didn't he vote against the gun liability law this year? He voted for it last year, but then against it this year.

I'm still skeptical of what he truly believes, but he is certainly a LOT better than most D senators.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:41:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Roberts on 2nd



If he gets a big enough lead, he can probably steal third.



He can steal home if he wants...the Dems won't but up much of a fight over Roberts. The big fight will be over the next appointment...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:41:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
to sum up, Roberts knew the opinions of 5th and 9th circuits, and was pretty familiar with Miller.

interpret that however you want.




Educate me here. Miller was the ruling on sawed off shotguns and military hardware in civilian hands right? What was short version of the 2 rulings I assume they conflict.



The Miller ruling in 1934 was the beginning of the NFA, IIRC.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:42:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
to sum up, Roberts knew the opinions of 5th and 9th circuits, and was pretty familiar with Miller.

interpret that however you want.




Educate me here. Miller was the ruling on sawed off shotguns and military hardware in civilian hands right? What was short version of the 2 rulings I assume they conflict.



Miller in a nutshell: The court sees no evidence that a sawed-off shotgun is a valid tool for use by the militia to ensure a free state. There was no evidence because Miller's side didn't even bother to show up for the hearing. nevermind that sawed-off shotguns were used to great effect in WW-I.

The 9th ruled that the 2nd was a collective right. The 5th ruled it was an individual right.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:42:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By ASNixon:
Sweet... Feingold is a believer in the individual right... I never would have believed it if I didn't hear it straight from his mouth.



Feingold was for the AWB in '94 (I believe he sponsored it) but was against it in '04....



Yup that is true, and you know why, because Wisconsin gun owners got on his ass about the issue and made him see how increadibly stupid the whole AWB was. When I wrote him a letter regarding the MG ban of 86, after reading his responce to the AWB and amendments he answered in basicly the same way, so with enough pressure, maybe, just maybe we could have a "friend" in the cause of having the 86ban replealed.

Fiengold believe it or not does listen to those of us that he represents, at least on some issues.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:45:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
to sum up, Roberts knew the opinions of 5th and 9th circuits, and was pretty familiar with Miller.

interpret that however you want.




Educate me here. Miller was the ruling on sawed off shotguns and military hardware in civilian hands right? What was short version of the 2 rulings I assume they conflict.



The Miller ruling in 1934 was the beginning of the NFA, IIRC.



So is their a possibility of removal of the NFA, all be it unlikely. Did Roberts hint at anything? What were the 5th and 9th opinions and which needs ot og for our benefit.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:46:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:47:01 AM EDT by photoman]

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:

Originally Posted By photoman:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
coming....



Going...

Are they asking about it right now? Can I catch it on CSPAN?



On C-Span split screen. Interviewed by Feingold, a GUN GRABBER.



what the hell are you talking about? He sided with gun owners on the AWB, he voted against an amendment to the protection of lawful commerce in arms act that would have reinstated the AWB. see my above post. And he is against any other AWBs.



Yes, but didn't he vote against the gun liability law this year? He voted for it last year, but then against it this year.

I'm still skeptical of what he truly believes, but he is certainly a LOT better than most D senators.



No he never voted for it IIRC he has always been against it. But part of that is that his understanding of it wasn't the greatest. He seemed to think it a blanket immunity basicly. I;ve writen him and still continue to do so about the liability law. We just have to keep banging away and letting him know what we think about 2A issues. He does listen. Not to many people that I know of really cared to much about what happened with the protection of lawful commerce in arms act in this state, well beside those of us that clal this site our home on the internet.
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