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Posted: 6/12/2001 9:26:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2002 10:57:10 PM EDT by mattja]
Here is the response I received from the Feinstein camp concerning my letter about the proposed .50 BMG "sniper rifle" ban back in March. I specifically addressed the issue with the .50 and why she feels it should be banned. In response, I received a form letter that did not address the .50 BMG at all. Thanks a lot. Here is what I originally wrote:
Dear Senator Feinstein, I am writing you in opposition to your bill, S.505, which would amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to regulate .50 caliber long-range target rifles. As a long-range target shooter and sportsman, I have researched this issue and discovered there has never been a case where rifles of this caliber were used in criminal activities. You assertion that these rifles “…present a serious and substantial threat to the national security” is absurd. With the current proliferation of biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons, I fail to see how small-arms, even of .50 caliber, can threaten our national security. S.505 is a solution in search of a problem. Furthermore, your continual attacks on the Peoples' right to keep and bear arms only serves to alienate members of your own party, many of which are target shooters, hunters, and sportsmen like myself. In a rare moment of unprecedented candor and honesty, President Clinton admitted that Vice President Al Gore lost the White House due to his stance on gun control. My question to you is this: Who are you trying to protect? Are you really interested in making the world a safer place? How can you accomplish this goal if only criminals and the police are armed? I fear all your years in office, from Mayor of San Francisco to the US Senate, have caused you to lose touch with reality. The world is not is safe place. The people are not afforded the luxury of 24-hour armed bodyguards, as are individuals in your position. Why would you deny us our right to self-defense?
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And here is her response: [img]community.webshots.com/storage/1/v1/9/28/62/15592862KyhbNLWfQb_ph.jpg[/img] [img]community.webshots.com/storage/1/v3/9/29/23/15592923PWkqYKoUZw_ph.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:28:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2002 10:57:49 PM EDT by mattja]
This next letter is a response I received from Congressman George Miller who's a co-sponsor of the proposed pre-ban magazine ban, H.R. 1922. I hate to call a man a liar, but this guy... Here is what I originally wrote:
Dear Congressman Miller, Myself, and other law abiding gun owners residing in your district, are troubled by your co-sponsorship of H.R. 1922, which would ban the sale of so-called "pre-ban" high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines. By banning these magazines, you in effect create a sort of de-facto gun ban as once one's existing supply of magazines wear out, the magazines cannot be replaced and the weapon becomes unusable. Clearly, this bill is being used in an indirect way to ban semi-automatic rifles and handguns. One of the factors that led to the passing of the 1994 Crime Bill was the express guarantee that pre-ban magazines would be exempt from the ban. In fact, I believe many Democrat gun owners who were "sitting on the fence" at that time gained a small measure of assurance in knowing that pre-ban magazines would continue to be available. It appears however, that this assurance was temporary. As a long time gun owner and target shooter living in your district, I am troubled that you would go back on your word by supporting this bill. Why do you continue to punish law abiding gun owners? These laws fail, in every test, to affect criminals as by definition these people do not obey the law. I find your support of this most recent violation of our rights highly discouraging.
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And here is his response: [img]community.webshots.com/storage/1/v3/9/29/59/15592959CGeBcjokUt_ph.jpg[/img] Please convince me why I should continue writing these people.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:31:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2001 9:32:13 PM EDT by NYshooter]
That stupid bitch wrote everything but direct answers regarding you letter. Where do this politicians get their facts & numbers from besides out their ass'
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:33:14 PM EDT
Ted Kazynski would continue writing if he could.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:46:33 PM EDT
Funny thing is, I wrote that Bitch three years ago about semi-auto rifles being banned in kommiefornia. Saved the reply, just dug it out. Word for word is the same letter you receved!!!! [puke]
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:48:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gunmonkey: Ted Kazynski would continue writing if he could.
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not sure if thats funny or not, But it brings up a good point
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:51:50 PM EDT
Writing those bastards is a waste of time. They don't care about us. They are living their fat cat lives (which would be a good thing if they made an HONEST living) on your dime and f you for what you think. Think about how bad things will be when they have "campaign finance reform" and they only ones controlling the rules for elections will be them. BTW mattja, let's try to set up another shoot soon.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:53:22 PM EDT
Just write a letter stating that you will not vote for either of them and that you will do everything in your power to make them lose to their next opponent. Then tell them the organizations you contacted to help you in you struggle to make her lose her job.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:54:41 PM EDT
I have it just as bad with Klinton & Schumer representing me[B)]
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:56:06 PM EDT
Those are prime examples of idiots at work. To those in kalif. good luck you will need it with queen bitch and her motley crew of socialist around.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 9:57:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 10:02:31 PM EDT
Did you vote for either of these people?
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 10:13:17 PM EDT
Ratters - sounds good. My new wife wouldn't let me out of the house that weekend in late April. I guess I can't blame her considering we had just got married and she wanted to make the rounds to see all the relatives (and get as many gifts as she could in the process). he he Troy - I'm kind of a regular in the opinion section of the Contra Costa Times. I wrote O'Reilly a couple of times as well. In fact, during the "election crisis" I wrote a letter to the CC Times and amazing as it was, they printed it. You should have seen all the hate mail I got. I must have struck a nerve. Here is the letter:
Cry, cry, cry; whine, whine, whine. Come on democrats; quit acting like spoiled little children! There was no coup. The election was not stolen. There is no Constitutional crisis. The US Supreme Court upheld the law of the land. Accept George Bush as your legitimate president and get on with your lives. What they do in Texas is meaningless -- this is a Florida issue, remember? YOU have Bob Beckel “canvassing” GOP electors (clearly an attempted “Filegate”, but it didn’t work), Jesse Jackson and his trained minions staging demonstrations, two failed attempts by the illegitimate Florida Supreme Court to change the election law after the fact, the DNC suing to prevent the counting of absentee military votes, two automated recounts, biased and selective manual recounting, and after all that, during these peaceful and economically vibrant times, your man, the incumbent, loses? What does that tell you?
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Ponyboy - Are you nuts? Hell no! I'm a Republican. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 10:22:35 PM EDT
mattja- No offense, I was just makin sure. Some times you just cant tell though. Lots of people vote Democrat then complain when they decide to start taking away guns that they own. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time on either of them. They don't give a shit what you or anybody else think, they are on a mission and believe they are untouchable. (except for with a .50 cal maybe, hehehehe) I would work more on the fence sitters who can't really decide where they want to stand, those are the ones that your letters may make a difference to. Even if they aren't in your district, or even your state, you are still a member of the voting public and they will pay attention. Ive written to congressmen all over trying to get them on our side. Better for them to vote for my rights while comming from another state/district than to not vote against my rights. Know what I mean Vern? Michael
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 10:31:44 PM EDT
In my district, I can vote for a democrat gun grabber, a republican gun grabber, or none of the above. I don't bother to write them, because my letters would go straight into the round file, just like my vote. My only hope is to save up enough money and move to America.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 10:32:17 PM EDT
Just keep sending her the same letter until she finally reads it and personally responds to you. Or better yet write her a letter as if you were for gun control and inquire about the same issue and state some of the same info from your letter and see if she responds. Im pretty sure they only read letters from their supporters.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 10:48:16 PM EDT
Better yet, why don't you just send her a nice big basket of flowers that have been soaked in some type of deadly neurotoxin and just save us all the trouble? Hell, Ill pitch in $5 bucks. Michael
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 10:58:48 PM EDT
To the response you received from Sen Feinstein. The Senator say she is working to control the illegitimate use of these powerful weapons. Apparently by banning all of them, of course that won't work, because then we'll have "pre-ban" .50 BMG rifles. Why doesn't she just support criminal control? PLEASE, send her a response asking that. The 2nd Amendment shouldn't be fiddled with, I must've missed the addendum to it "except reasonable gun-contol measures of semi-auto rifles that will be invented sometime in the future". Must have been pencilled in on the back of the Constitution. As to Congressman Miller, He says that AW's are used to kill cops?? OK little secret I am a LEO, Imbro I know you knew that. I often disagree about what some of you say, whether it is 2nd Amendment, UN, conspiracy theories, or police use of force. Saying that I think I am not ever gonna be called a "yes man", and I may know something about police line of duty deaths. Congressman Miller is just wrong, most police officers are shot by cheap weapons, or "hunting weapons" I can only think of 1 full auto shooting of an officer that resulted in death, It was in Puerto Rico 5 or so years ago. Plus a good number of the people who shoot police officers have no business possessing a firearm, legally, anyway. I think you should PLEASE respond to him ask him to have the FBI provide the assault weapon v. police deaths statistics. Ask him to support criminal control. Plus the whole "big magazine" theory is just wrong, most people cops included, will go from careful aim, make every shot count, to spray and pray when transitioning from a low capacity weapon to a "high" capacity weapon. The People have a Right To Keep and Bear Arms. I generaly believe in that right, no I don't think you should have M-203's or a Ma-Duece neccesarily. But to limit your ability to buy a new weapon -Cali- I think it's wrong. You should continue to write them, ask them neutral pertinent questions, make them think, make them accountable.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 11:08:33 PM EDT
Name me 1 high profile shooting involving an AR-15!! I posted this before and was told I missed the mark: Isn't ans AK-47 a military weapon, by that I mean select fire? Isn't an SKS the civilianized version, meaning semi-auto? Haven't they been used in a few high profile incidents? Maybe we should just tax small arms coming in from other countries, esp communist countries. Norinco is part of the Chinese military, they make money of arms sales. Do we really want to give the Chinese military money? Supposedly the "state run" importer of Norinco was also running a spy ring out of import HQ. Sorry I'm being verbose.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 11:24:19 PM EDT
Ponyboy -- No offense taken. I was smiling the entire time I responded to your question, as I am now. :) NO-AR-:( -- I'm sure Miller knows he's wrong. He's just spouting the VPC/HCI line as he was told to do. Okay, I'll write him and try to get a dialogue going. AFAICT, he didn't sent a form letter like Frakenstein did. And he did write an editorial in our local paper urging people in our district to accept Bush as the Pres., so I guess he's not all bad. Actually, when I was working at the gas station in Martinez, CA while in college, Miller came in from time to time to fill his old Bronco. Always self-serve, never was a PITA. Most of the guys at work liked him. Joe DiMaggio came in as well, and he was a jerk. :)
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 11:33:42 PM EDT
...there is nothing in the Second Amendment that prohibits the prudent, common sense regulation of firearms.
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It's all a matter of perception, isn't it? Sheesh!
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 11:35:58 PM EDT
Miller actually helped us out where I lived, we had some tower lights that were flashing into our bedroom, as well as many others and he took care of it for us. But, that is the least he could do for assisting in making the world a crappier place. Plus he is always on those lobbiest paid junkets and such. He is your typical lifetime politician. He does not give a rats ass about our freedom.
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 11:40:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WhoMe?:
...there is nothing in the Second Amendment that prohibits the prudent, common sense regulation of firearms.
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It's all a matter of perception, isn't it? Sheesh!
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Yes, if it's called common sense, why is it so rare?
Link Posted: 6/12/2001 11:55:54 PM EDT
You know what bothers me most about this deal? Here were two intelligently written letters of inquiry.......and they recieved two piece of crap form letters in response! [puke]
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 12:49:34 AM EDT
Sometimes, you wish you could.... [chainsawkill] Seriously, this makes me [pissed] but I'm not suprised. What do you expect from a liberal. They got it in their heads that they are right, and now it's like some kind of damn Crusade. They won't give up, and neither should you. Work like hell to get a conservative pro-gunner in her place.
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 1:10:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2001 1:29:56 AM EDT by Ulysse_Nardin_1846]
More proof that writing letters to these creatures is futile. Politicians with a proven track record against guns will never, ever change their minds. They are all running the same program in their shrunken head and there's only a couple of ways to purge the program. But Fear not. Can there be a glimmer of hope? She-man will keep your [i]views[/i] in mind as the gun control debate continues.[whacko] The letter was very amusing. I liked this part the best:
However, there is nothing in the Second Amendment that prohibits prudent, common-sense regulation of firearms.
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Damm those framers! They forgot to make the Second Amendment tamperproof. I always thought "shall not be infringed" was good enough. Silly me. Here's my revised version. [b]Amendment II[/b] A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed nor shall ever be subject to common-sense regulation or any other regulation for that matter; Congress shall make no law infringing on this Right, written or eXpressed; this applies to all 50 states and territories under US jurisdiction.
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 2:13:41 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/13/2001 4:26:58 AM EDT
Please do not refer to any firearm as a "weapon" when writing to any of these "idiots." It also helps to refer to "Gun-owner rights" instead of "gun control." Where do they get that 32,000 firearm related deaths a year, and when was the last time a police officer was killed with an "assault weapon?" I really don't like that term either, because if I murdered someone by stabbing them in the back with a Bic pen, isn't that an "assault weapon?" ?!?!?!?
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 8:18:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 8:35:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/13/2001 8:34:23 AM EDT by USNA91]
So DIFI thinks we need to ageree to disagree. What bullshit! The difference is that even though I disagree with HER, SHE can take away MY rights while I can't even help vote HER out of office! Agree to disagree? Fine. When she and the rest of her ilk ban everything, I guess we'll have to agree to my "disagreement" (and non-compliance) with the law. [-!-!-] And as for Miller, he's a fu**ing idiot, just like the rest of those on the Left. "Disproportionately high". BARF! [puke] Edited because I can't spell.....
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 11:29:35 AM EDT
DVD Tracker, Leach is cool. I wrote a letter to the CC Times praising her position and got flamed by the liberals. Torlakson is hopeless. I wrote him once and received what appeared to be a form letter criticizing the NRA. And the letter I wrote him had nothing to do with the NRA.
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 12:04:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 12:23:17 PM EDT
[b]"Assualt weapons are used in a disproportionately lage number of fatal shootings, especially agianst the police."[/b] Huh? Strange that according to FBI statistics "assault weapons" are used in less than 1% of [b]ALL[/b] crimes. As to your question about the letters - No, with these types of politicians letters, phone calls, etc do absolutely no good. ** You are far better off spending your time educating other fellow citizens about government, their rights and recruiting them into the shooting community. CMOS
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 12:43:36 PM EDT
She's wrong, sort of. I was just reading an article written by a Senate Subcommitte on the Constitution. and while it's lengthy, i do specifically remember a section that mentions gun laws being thrown out with the garbage based on [b]violating the 2nd amendment[/b]. unfortunatley, i don't think that it got to the U.S. Supreme Court, but i think it did get to the State Supreme Court. here's the link: [url]www.2ndlawlib.org/other/other/senrpt/senrpt.html[/url] it's very good reading. lots of historical basis for the 2nd amendment.
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 2:37:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By timeport: [b]Amendment II[/b] A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed nor shall ever be subject to common-sense regulation or any other regulation for that matter; Congress shall make no law infringing on this Right, written or eXpressed; this applies to all 50 states and territories under US jurisdiction.
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Good rewrite. Send this to Sen. Feinstein. [spank]
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 3:34:16 PM EDT
Saying that Feinstein supports common sense gun control is like saying that Hitler supported common sense population control.
Link Posted: 6/13/2001 3:39:36 PM EDT
If you send her another letter ask her to lead by example.. TURN IN YOUR CHL... or whatever permit she has.
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