[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Reconsidering Perry? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/30/2011 7:29:10 AM EDT
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We have a primary coming up soon and I still don't know who I'm voting for. I know who I'm not voting for, which narrows it down, but there is still a lot of thinking to do.
My problem with Perry is that I've heard he's been soft/accomodating on illegal immigration. That's the single issue I had previously written him off over. While I am still adamantly against people coming here in violation of our laws, I don't think it's the Biggest Problem we are facing. The number one thing is to defeat Zero and replace him with a reasonably conservative President. That got me thinking (yes, sometimes that happens), maybe a Perry nomination will draw Hispanic votes away from the dem candidate and give the republican candidate (Perry) a boost in the general election. The biggest problem we face is the national debt, which is bringing our economy to the brink of collapse. If Perry got in, would he be able to do something about that? |
I just saw a news report where he was speaking to a group and indicated that when the students(?) were 21 they should vote. He also quoted incorrect date for the election. 
It's almost like the guy is trying to look like a dumbass? I don't get why these guys are having strokes and shitting their beds so often all of the sudden. |
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Perry's biggest problem is his advisors are not worth a shit. he keeps stumbling. He had the most potential of any of the candidates. I am not saying he is out but he needs to quite making stupid remarks and get better advisors.
Believe it or not Reagon would say some stupid shit every so often also. But it was not consistent and he had good advisors around him to help. |
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I liked Perry but had some doubts about him being able to survive the primaries when he had his gaffs on national media. If he can surge again, he's a better choice than Romney. Romney is definitely out. I can't understand what Coulter sees in him. She's gone deranged, like those people who were enamored with Zero and ignored his past (which was available for all). |
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My problem with Perry is we are in the midst of battle of the minds if the public. We need someone that can verbalize our position to the public.
Perry can't put together a coherent fucking thought, much less convince the 18-35 year old voting block of the virtues if conservatism. |
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Never left him and yes, he will draw a massive Hispanic vote away from the Obama. And just why would he be able to do that? The answer is why I will never support him. This may come as a surprise, but Hispanics are very family oriented and generally conservative. Esp older Hispanics. Who do you think supported him for ALL his election bids in Texas? |
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It's going to be Newt since mittens won;t get any of the Tea-Party vote. I liked Perry too but he doesn't have anyone else to blame but himself and his staff. Edit: Newt will make the current occupier of the WH look like a dumbass in a debate. I like Perry but he is getting some bad handling and I have thought so from the get go. How strong would a Gingrich/Perry ticket be? I think it would give Perry some seasoning as VP to run after Gingrich's time is up. Fundamentally, I think he is good but has had little exposure to all of the ways of Washington. Who better to show him the ropes for the future than Gingrich? Just a thought |
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It's going to be Newt since mittens won;t get any of the Tea-Party vote. I liked Perry too but he doesn't have anyone else to blame but himself and his staff. Edit: Newt will make the current occupier of the WH look like a dumbass in a debate. I agree completely with all that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I just saw a news report where he was speaking to a group and indicated that when the students(?) were 21 they should vote. He also quoted incorrect date for the election.
It's almost like the guy is trying to look like a dumbass? I don't get why these guys are having strokes and shitting their beds so often all of the sudden. Had Perry visited all 57 states, he never would have made those mistakes. |
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I just saw a news report where he was speaking to a group and indicated that when the students(?) were 21 they should vote. He also quoted incorrect date for the election.
It's almost like the guy is trying to look like a dumbass? I don't get why these guys are having strokes and shitting their beds so often all of the sudden. Had Perry visited all 57 states, he never would have made those mistakes. It's appalling how the MSM gives Zero and Joe "Gaffemeister" Biden continual passes on the dumb things they say. |
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We have a primary coming up soon and I still don't know who I'm voting for. I know who I'm not voting for, which narrows it down, but there is still a lot of thinking to do. My problem with Perry is that I've heard he's been soft/accomodating on illegal immigration. That's the single issue I had previously written him off over. While I am still adamantly against people coming here in violation of our laws, I don't think it's the Biggest Problem we are facing. The number one thing is to defeat Zero and replace him with a reasonably conservative President. That got me thinking (yes, sometimes that happens), maybe a Perry nomination will draw Hispanic votes away from the dem candidate and give the republican candidate (Perry) a boost in the general election. The biggest problem we face is the national debt, which is bringing our economy to the brink of collapse. If Perry got in, would he be able to do something about that? His record with immigration is weak, and that's one of the reasons why I won't vote for him. His record with education is weak, and that's one of the reasons why I won't vote for him. His donor kickback policy is corruption, and that's one of the reasons why I won't vote for him. He associates with radical evangelicals, and that's one of the reasons why I won't vote for him. He's kicked up spending here in Texas while preaching "Small Government," and that's one of the reasons why I won't vote for him. Don't forget that he used the Federal Government to balance our budget here either. Texas has a high unemployment rate, and high poverty rate, and those are two reasons why I won't vote for him. His Gardasil executive order pissed me off, and he keeps touting that it was optional. It should have been opt-in, and that's one of the reasons why I won't vote for him. His ability to shoot .556moa groups is questionable, and that's one of the reasons why I won't for him. |
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Quoted: My problem with Perry is we are in the midst of battle of the minds if the public. We need someone that can verbalize our position to the public. Perry can't put together a coherent fucking thought, much less convince the 18-35 year old voting block of the virtues if conservatism. Perry's also not articulate enough to challenge Obama in any debates. He's going to stumble and gaff himself out of any consideration. Too bad, as I was wanting / hoping for more.  |
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It's going to be Newt since mittens won;t get any of the Tea-Party vote. I liked Perry too but he doesn't have anyone else to blame but himself and his staff. Edit: Newt will make the current occupier of the WH look like a dumbass in a debate. I like Perry but he is getting some bad handling and I have thought so from the get go. How strong would a Gingrich/Perry ticket be? I think it would give Perry some seasoning as VP to run after Gingrich's time is up. Fundamentally, I think he is good but has had little exposure to all of the ways of Washington. Who better to show him the ropes for the future than Gingrich? Just a thought Im not sure about that ticket because I don;t see a net plus for Newt after all the gaffes Perry has made. Newt needs to get someone with a strong private sector financial background or get Marco Rubio or Susana Martinez Gov of New mexico. She is a strong conservative woman, and has been revoking drivers licensses that Bill Richardson gave to illegals. Plus they can;t call her a racist for doing so. |
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I am disappointed with Perry. I voted for him when I lived in TX. He has not done well and I think he's cooked.
I don't like many things about the candidates. Nobody is a clear leader and honestly I hope for anyone but Romney. One thing that bothers me is Newt supports an individual mandate to buy insurance. I agree people should be responsible for buying health insurance. I don't think the government should require it. I think if you don't buy insurance you get whatever charity care is available. If no charity care is available you get nothing and you live or die with the consequences of your decisions. That's not politically popular but that's how it should be. Enough of the nanny state. You want to be free. Pull up your big boy pants. Requiring hospitals to provide services for people that can't pay means they just shift the costs to people who can pay. It is essentially another income tax on me. I'm taxed way over 50% and I don't like it. I also think non-profit health systems should be required to provide indigent care sufficient to justify their tax break. That's not happening so again this is another income tax on me. |
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Never left him and yes, he will draw a massive Hispanic vote away from the Obama. And just why would he be able to do that? The answer is why I will never support him. This may come as a surprise, but Hispanics are very family oriented and generally conservative. Esp older Hispanics. Who do you think supported him for ALL his election bids in Texas? What areas in the map below have the largest population of hispanics? 
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Never left him and yes, he will draw a massive Hispanic vote away from the Obama. And just why would he be able to do that? The answer is why I will never support him. This may come as a surprise, but Hispanics are very family oriented and generally conservative. Esp older Hispanics. Who do you think supported him for ALL his election bids in Texas? What areas in the map below have the largest population of hispanics? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/TX2010Results.jpg You do realize the border counties have an average population under 2500 people, of which only about 1 out of 5 can legally vote, right? The last governor's election, in a 4-way race, Perry landed 31% of the Hispanic vote. MORE than his Democratic opponent. This is typical. George Bush landed %44. |
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Never left him and yes, he will draw a massive Hispanic vote away from the Obama. And just why would he be able to do that? The answer is why I will never support him. This may come as a surprise, but Hispanics are very family oriented and generally conservative. Esp older Hispanics. Who do you think supported him for ALL his election bids in Texas? What areas in the map below have the largest population of hispanics? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/TX2010Results.jpg You do realize the border counties have an average population under 2500 people, of which only about 1 out of 5 can legally vote, right? How about a little polling data then 
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I wanted to like the guy, but he's just not that sharp. Sorry. I'm in the same boat. He's either not that bright or he's just truly a terrible public speaker. This. And he flusters easily. With the stuff the Dems will throw at him, it won't be pretty. |
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We have a primary coming up soon and I still don't know who I'm voting for. I know who I'm not voting for, which narrows it down, but there is still a lot of thinking to do. My problem with Perry is that I've heard he's been soft/accomodating on illegal immigration. That's the single issue I had previously written him off over. While I am still adamantly against people coming here in violation of our laws, I don't think it's the Biggest Problem we are facing. The number one thing is to defeat Zero and replace him with a reasonably conservative President. That got me thinking (yes, sometimes that happens), maybe a Perry nomination will draw Hispanic votes away from the dem candidate and give the republican candidate (Perry) a boost in the general election. The biggest problem we face is the national debt, which is bringing our economy to the brink of collapse. If Perry got in, would he be able to do something about that? No, Perry is still an bumbling Idiot. When did you ever get the notion that you get to Pick the GOP Nominee ? The GOP canidate is chosen by 2 Republican delegates from each state. You have NO say in the matter. You don't even get to vote on the Delegates. |
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The biggest problem we face is the national debt, which is bringing our economy to the brink of collapse. If Perry got in, would he be able to do something about that?
Despite what the nay sayers from other states put fourth. Perry and the Texas Republicans keep the liberals on a very short leash and our economy is by FAR and I mean FAR the best in the nation right now and has been for the past couple years. This is due to a very conservative financial policy that is pissing the socialists off to no end. Note, there are a few other states with lower un-employment but that is due to very low population numbers and/or oil/business booms. Texas has high population numbers and employment rates with very diversified business. Liberalism-its a disease. |
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I liked Perry but had some doubts about him being able to survive the primaries when he had his gaffs on national media. If he can surge again, he's a better choice than Romney. Romney is definitely out. I can't understand what Coulter sees in him. She's gone deranged, like those people who were enamored with Zero and ignored his past (which was available for all). She actually said that his flip-flopping is a good thing....he'll be better than Obama because we at least might be able to convince him to be conservative. She was serious. I enjoy reading her column but damn she's all fucked up on this one. |
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The biggest problem we face is the national debt, which is bringing our economy to the brink of collapse. If Perry got in, would he be able to do something about that?
Despite what the nay sayers from other states put fourth. Perry and the Texas Republicans keep the liberals on a very short leash and our economy is by FAR and I mean FAR the best in the nation right now and has been for the past couple years. This is due to a very conservative financial policy that is pissing the socialists off to no end. Note, there are a few other states with lower un-employment but that is due to very low population numbers and/or oil/business booms. Texas has high population numbers and employment rates with very diversified business. Liberalism-its a disease. I think one of the things that helps keep the liberals on that short leash is the fact that the legislature only meets in a regular session every two years, and is limited to 140 days. Just think only 140 days out of 730 days. He was advocating something like this on the federal level. Can you imagine the likes of Reid and Pelosi being limited like this? |
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I liked Perry but had some doubts about him being able to survive the primaries when he had his gaffs on national media. If he can surge again, he's a better choice than Romney. Romney is definitely out. I can't understand what Coulter sees in him. She's gone deranged, like those people who were enamored with Zero and ignored his past (which was available for all). She actually said that his flip-flopping is a good thing....he'll be better than Obama because we at least might be able to convince him to be conservative. She was serious. I enjoy reading her column but damn she's all fucked up on this one. He must have eaten from her red river 
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As a Texas native I've seen him speak many times in public. He's always done a great job and been very eloquent. However, presidential debates seem to be a struggling area for him. Because of the main-stream media and pundits, he's going to be known to a lot of people as "that guy who can't remember the third agency". I agree with most of his policies and am happy he's such a strong gun-rights supporter. However, debates and the media will make him a hard sell for the American public.
The media is going to rip apart any GOP front-runner, though. This is a very big advantage the Democrats have in supporting President Obama for re-election. It's really quite sickening. |
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I wish he could turn things around, until then I'm leaning towards Newt. Newt's next to get the Democrat's aka news media's hammer.  Most likely. They go after whoever is challenging Mittens the most. If Perry ever gets in the lead in polling, he will get hammered by the media. |