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4/1/2010 11:36:12 PM EDT
“Did you really think that we want those laws to
be observed? We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s
not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against- then you’ll know that this is not
the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows
were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it.
There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the
power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one
makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes
impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law
abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of
laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted- and
you create a nation of lawbreakers- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s
the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be
much easier to deal with”.




 
4/1/2010 11:40:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Should be required reading.

I've got two brand new hard back copies, still in the wrapper, in a box in the closet.
4/1/2010 11:45:18 PM EDT
[#2]
Whoa.....


What book is this??
4/1/2010 11:46:34 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Whoa.....


What book is this??


Atlas shrugged

If you buy it do your self a favor and do not buy the trade paperback get a bigger one
4/1/2010 11:50:07 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Whoa.....


What book is this??


Atlas shrugged

If you buy it do your self a favor and do not buy the trade paperback get a bigger one




'Atlas Shrugged' ....... ?

Will be looking for a copy shortly. Do I need to order this, or look at B-a-M and the like?
4/1/2010 11:50:32 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm so glad I ordered when I did.  I was going to post the link to where I bought my copies but just now went back to see and they're all sold out of hard back copies...

ETA:  RIF and I'm an idiot.  Atlas Shrugged is the passage above, I was referencing 'Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.
4/2/2010 12:09:59 AM EDT
[#6]
Careful, ARmory.

Atlas Shrugged is one of the longest novels ever written (literally in the top ten), and it's intended as a philosophical treatise.  It is not light reading, and it is in no way perfect, but it does present a very important position.

(B&N will definitely have a few copies.)
4/2/2010 4:39:45 AM EDT
[#7]
I've read it AND I've gotten it on audio book. Whenever I was in my car, traveling or just my daily commute, I would listen. Honestly the audio version is the only way I made it through Galt's speech!
4/2/2010 4:46:22 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Whoa.....


What book is this??


Atlas shrugged

If you buy it do your self a favor and do not buy the trade paperback get a bigger one




'Atlas Shrugged' ....... ?

Will be looking for a copy shortly. Do I need to order this, or look at B-a-M and the like?



Should have it....get it today!  Amazing read that changed my perspective on what is going on now with our country.


Who is John Galt?

4/2/2010 5:01:10 AM EDT
[#9]
My Dad gave me a copy of Atlas Shrugged when I was 13. I've read it 4 times since then.

You guys will love the Atlas Shrugged shirts that are here: Conservative Shirts.

Some stuff from Anthem, too, another great Ayn Rand book. Lots of good pro gun stuff as well.
4/2/2010 12:15:17 PM EDT
[#10]
!!!
4/2/2010 12:21:39 PM EDT
[#11]
Next in my queue.

HH
4/2/2010 12:30:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Read the first sentence and knew what is was.
4/2/2010 12:58:55 PM EDT
[#13]
I checked it out from the library last year and then bought it as a Christmas gift for my brother.
4/2/2010 12:59:07 PM EDT
[#14]


“Mr. Rearden,” said Francisco, his voice solemnly calm, “if
you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that
he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling
but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the
greater his effort the heavier the world bore on his shoulders- what would you
tell him to do?”
















“I… don’t know. What
… could he do? What would
you tell him?”










 
4/2/2010 1:17:05 PM EDT
[#15]
not an easy read...


But when I first read it parts of it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

I can hear things on the boob tube (MSM)that seem lifted directly from that book.

Absolutely worth reading.
4/2/2010 1:25:17 PM EDT
[#16]
Audio book for the win.  
4/2/2010 1:56:08 PM EDT
[#17]
His defense:



One of the judges, acting as prosecutor, had read the charges.

"You
may now offer whatever plea you wish to make in your own defence," he
announced. Facing the platform, his voice inflectionless and peculiarly
clear, Hank Rearden answered:

"I have no defence."

"Do you ––" The judge stumbled; he had not expected it to be that easy. "Do you throw yourself upon the mercy of this court?"

"I do not recognise this court's right to try me."

"What?"

"I do not recognise this court's right to try me."

"But, Mr. Rearden, this is the legally appointed court to try this particular category of crime."

"I do not recognise my action as a crime."

"But you have admitted that you have broken our regulations controlling the sale of your Metal."

"I do not recognise your right to control the sale of my Metal."

"Is it necessary for me to point out that your recognition was not required?"

"No. I am fully aware of it and I am acting accordingly."



He
noted the stillness of the room. By the rules of the complicated
pretence which all those people played for one another's benefit, they
should have considered his stand as incomprehensible folly; there
should have been rustles of astonishment and derision; there were none;
they sat still; they understood.

"Do you mean that you are refusing to obey the law?" asked the judge.

"No.
I am complying with the law - to the letter. Your law holds that my
life, my work and my property may be disposed of without my consent.
Very well, you may now dispose of me without my participation in the
matter. I will not play the part of defending myself, where no defence
is possible, and I will not simulate the illusion of dealing with a
tribunal of justice."

"But, Mr. Rearden, the law provides
specifically that you are to be given an opportunity to present your
side of the case and to defend yourself."

"A prisoner brought to
trial can defend himself only if there is an objective principle of
justice recognised by his judges, a principle upholding his rights,
which they may not violate and which he can invoke. The law, by which
you are trying me, holds that there are no principles, that I have no
rights and that you may do with me whatever you please. Very well. Do
it." "Mr. Rearden, the law which you are denouncing is based on the
highest principle - the principle of the public good."

"Who is the
public? What does it hold as its good? There was a time when men
believed that 'the good' was a concept to be defined by a code of moral
values and that no man had the right to seek his good through the
violation of the rights of another. If it is now believed that my
fellow men may sacrifice me in any manner they please for the sake of
whatever they deem to e their own good, if they believe that they may
seize my property simply because they need it - well, so does any
burglar. There is only this difference: the burglar does not ask me to
sanction his act."



A group of seats at the side of the courtroom
was reserved for the prominent visitors who had come from New York to
witness the trial. Dagny sat motionless and her face showed nothing but
a solemn attention, the attention of listening with the knowledge that
the flow of his words would determine the course of her life. Eddie
Willers sat beside her. James Taggart had not come. Paul Larkin sat
hunched forward, his face thrust out, pointed like an animal's muzzle,
sharpened by a look of fear now turning into malicious hatred. Mr.
Mowen, who sat beside him, was a man of greater innocence and smaller
understanding; his fear was of a simpler nature; he listened in
bewildered indignation and he whispered to Larkin, "Good God, now he's
done it! Now he'll convince the whole country that all businessmen are
enemies of the public good!"



"Are we to understand," asked the judge, "that you hold your own interests above the interests of the public?"

"I hold that such a question can never arise except in a society of cannibals."

"What ... do you mean?"

"I hold that there is no clash of interests among men who do not demand the unearned and do not practice human sacrifices."

"Are we to understand that if the public deems it necessary to curtail your profits, you do not recognise its right to do so?"

"Why, yes, I do. The public may curtail my profits any time it wishes - by refusing to buy my product."

"We are speaking of ... other methods."

"Any other method of curtailing profits is the method of looters - and I recognise it as such."

"Mr. Rearden, this is hardly the way to defend yourself."

"I said that I would not defend myself."

"But this is unheard of! Do you realise the gravity of the charge against you?"

"I do not care to consider it."

"Do you realise the possible consequences of your stand?"

"Fully."

"It
is the opinion of this court that the facts presented by the
prosecution seem to warrant no leniency. The penalty which this court
has the power to impose on you is extremely severe."

"Go ahead."

"I beg your pardon?"

"Impose it."

The three judges looked at one another. Then their spokesman turned back to Rearden. "This is unprecedented," he said.

"It
is completely irregular," said the second judge. "The law requires you
submit to a plea in your own defence. Your only alternative is to state
for the record that you throw yourself upon the mercy of the court."

"I do not."

"But you have to."

"Do you mean that what you expect from me is some sort of voluntary action?"

"Yes."

"I volunteer nothing."

"But the law demands that the defendant's side be represented on the record."

"Do you mean that you need my help to make this procedure legal?"

"Well, no ... yes ... that is, to complete the form."

"I will not help you."

The
third and youngest judge, who had acted as prosecutor snapped
impatiently, "This is ridiculous and unfair! Do you want to let it look
as if a man of your prominence had been railroaded without a ––" He cut
himself off short. Somebody at the back of the courtroom emitted a long
whistle.

"I want," said Rearden gravely, "to let the nature of this
procedure appear exactly for what it is. If you need my help to
disguise it - I will not help you."

"But we are giving you a chance to defend yourself - and it is you who are rejecting it."

"I
will not help you to pretend that I have a chance. I will not help you
to preserve an appearance of righteousness where rights are not
recognised. I will not help you to preserve an appearance of
rationality by entering a debate in which a gun is the final argument.
I will not help you to pretend that you are administering justice."

"But the law compels you to volunteer a defence!"

There was laughter at the back of the courtroom.

"That
is the flaw in your theory, gentlemen," said Rearden gravely, "and I
will not help you out of it. If you choose to deal with men by means of
compulsion, do so. But you will discover that you need the voluntary
co-operation of your victims, in many more ways than you can see at
present. And your victims should discover that it is their own volition
- which you cannot force - that makes you possible. I choose to be
consistent and I will obey you in the manner you demand. Whatever you
wish me to do, I will do it at the point of a gun. If you sentence me
to jail, you will have to send armed men to carry me there - I will not
volunteer to move. If you fine me, you will have to seize my property
to collect the fine - I will not volunteer to pay it. If you believe
that you have the right to force me - use your guns openly. I will not
help you to disguise the nature of your action."

The eldest judge
leaned forward across the table and his voice became suavely derisive:
"You speak as if you were fighting for some sort of principle, Mr.
Rearden, but what you're actually fighting for is only your property,
isn't it?"

"Yes, of course. I am fighting for my property. Do you know the kind of principle that represents?"

"You pose as a champion of freedom, but it's only the freedom to make money that you're after."

"Yes, of course. All I want is the freedom to make money. Do you know what that freedom implies?"

"Surely,
Mr. Rearden, you wouldn't want your attitude to be misunderstood. You
wouldn't want to give support to the widespread impression that you are
a man devoid of social conscience, who feels no concern for the welfare
of his fellows and works for nothing but his own profit."

"I work for nothing but my own profit. I earn it."

There
was a gasp, not of indignation, but of astonishment, in the crowd
behind him and silence from the judges he faced. He went on calmly:

"No,
I do not want my attitude to be misunderstood. I shall be glad to state
it for the record. I am in full agreement with the facts of everything
said about me in the newspapers - with the facts, but not with the
evaluation. I work for nothing but my own profit - which I make by
selling a product they need to men who are willing and able to buy it.
I do not produce it for their benefit at the expense of mine, and they
do not buy it for my benefit at the expense of theirs; I do not
sacrifice my interests to them nor do they sacrifice theirs to me; we
deal as equals by mutual consent to mutual advantage - and I am proud
of every penny that I have earned in this manner. I am rich and I am
proud of every penny I own. I made my money by my own effort, in free
exchange and through the voluntary consent of every man I dealt with -
voluntary consent of those who employed me when I started, the
voluntary consent of those who work for me now, the voluntary consent
of those who buy my product. I shall answer all the questions you are
afraid to ask me openly. Do I wish to pay my workers more than their
services are worth to me? I do not. Do I wish to sell my product for
less than my customers are willing to pay me? I do not. Do I wish to
sell it at a loss or give it away? I do not. If this is evil, do
whatever you please about me, according to whatever standards you hold.
These are mine. I am earning my own living, as every honest man must. I
refuse to accept as guilt the fact of my own existence and the fact
that I must work in order to support it. I refuse to accept as guilt
the fact that I am able to do it better than most people - the fact
that my work is of greater value than the work of my neighbours and
that more men are willing to pay me. I refuse to apologise for my
ability - I refuse to apologise for my success - I refuse to apologise
for my money. If this is evil, make the most of it. If this is what the
public finds harmful to its interests, let the public destroy me. This
is my code - and I will accept no other. I could say to you that I have
done more good for my fellow men than you can ever hope to accomplish -
but I will not say it, because I do not seek the good of others as a
sanction for my right to exist, nor do I seek the good of others as a
sanction for my right to exist, nor do I recognise the good of others
as a justification for their seizure of my property or their
destruction of my life. I will not say that the good of others was the
purpose of my work - my own good was my purpose, and I despise the man
who surrenders his. I could say to you that you do not serve the public
good - that nobody's good can be achieved at the price of human
sacrifices - that when you violate the rights of one man, you have
violated the right of all, and a public of rightless creatures is
doomed to destruction. I could say to you that you will and can achieve
nothing but universal devastation - as any looter must, when he runs
out of victims. I could say it, but I won't. It is not your particular
policy that I challenge, but your moral premise. If it were true that
men could achieve their good by means of turning some men into
sacrificial animals, and I were asked to immolate myself for the sake
of creatures who wanted to survive at the price of my blood, if I were
asked to serve the interests of society apart from, above and against
my own - I would refuse. I would reject it as the most contemptible
evil, I would fight it with every power I possess, I would fight the
whole of mankind, if one minute were all I could last before I were
murdered, I would fight in the full confidence of the justice of my
battle and of a living being's right to exist. Let there be no
misunderstanding about me. If it is now the belief of my fellow men,
who call themselves the public, that their good requires victims, then
I say: The public good be damned, I will have no part of it!"



The crowd burst into applause.
4/2/2010 2:19:06 PM EDT
[#18]
^^ A phenomenal part in the book. Was hard to stay in my seat when I read it.
4/2/2010 2:19:44 PM EDT
[#19]
Guys,

After Obongo-care passed, I posted the following text from Atlas Shrugged..............

"I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago," said Dr. Hendricks. "Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward.

I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything-except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the 'welfare' of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only 'to serve.' That a man who's willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards-never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy.

I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind-yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands? Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims.

Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents it-and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn't."
4/2/2010 3:52:30 PM EDT
[#20]
Nice.  New sig.
4/2/2010 4:02:46 PM EDT
[#21]

"People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I've
learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one
surrenders one's reality to the person to whom one lies, making that
person one's master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort
of reality that person's view requires to be faked. And if one gains the
immediate purpose of the lie-the price one pays is the destruction of
that which the gain was intended to serve. The man who lies to the
world, is the world's slave from then on."



~ Hank Rearden, Atlas
Shrugged






4/2/2010 4:03:46 PM EDT
[#22]


"I quit when medicine....










 
4/2/2010 4:04:21 PM EDT
[#23]
"I am merely giving you a warning.  Those who wish to deal with me, must
do so on my terms or not at all.  I do not make terms with
incompetence."
4/2/2010 4:06:59 PM EDT
[#24]
This comes just before the trail
The newspapers had snarled that the cause of the country's troubles, as
this case demonstrated, was the selfish greed of rich industrialists;
that it was men like Hank Rearden who were to blame for the shrinking
diet, the falling temperature and the cracking roofs in the homes of the
nation; that if it had not been for men who broke regulations and
hampered the government's plans, prosperity would have been achieved
long ago; and that a man like Hank Rearden was prompted by nothing but
the profit motive. This last was stated without explanation or
elaboration, as if the words "profit motive" were the self-evident brand
of ultimate evil.

The crowd remembered that these same newspapers, less than two years
ago, had screamed that the production of Rearden Metal should be
forbidden, because its producer was endangering people's lives for the
sake of his greed
; they remembered that the man in gray had ridden in
the cab of the first engine to run over a track of his own Metal; and
that he was now on trial for the greedy crime of withholding from the
public a load of the Metal which it had been his greedy crime to offer
in the public market.  

~Atlas Shrugged

Quoted:



His defense:
The crowd burst into applause.

 
 
4/2/2010 4:09:37 PM EDT
[#25]
If only we were better men.  
4/2/2010 4:11:54 PM EDT
[#26]
no reason to read Atlas Shrugged. There is no value.

Rand needed an editor to prune her down by about 75%.

Liberty good. There, I summed it up for you.
4/2/2010 4:18:26 PM EDT
[#27]



Quoted:


Audio book for the win.  


Yep.  Get it at your local library.  Listen to it during your daily commute.



 
4/2/2010 4:26:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Guys,

After Obongo-care passed, I posted the following text from Atlas Shrugged..............

"I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago," said Dr. Hendricks. "Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward.

I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything-except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the 'welfare' of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only 'to serve.' That a man who's willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards-never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy.

I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind-yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands? Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims.

Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents it-and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn't."



That section & the part with the judges thoughts, were the ones that stood out most to me.
4/2/2010 4:28:32 PM EDT
[#29]



Quoted:



Quoted:


Quoted:

Whoa.....





What book is this??




Atlas shrugged



If you buy it do your self a favor and do not buy the trade paperback get a bigger one

'Atlas Shrugged' ....... ?



Will be looking for a copy shortly. Do I need to order this, or look at B-a-M and the like?


buy it from a BaM and pay cash you don't wanna be on the list.



 
4/2/2010 4:28:40 PM EDT
[#30]
I thought it was a bit arduous but that paragraph definitely sticks in my  mind.
4/2/2010 4:29:02 PM EDT
[#31]
Time to post this again.  

Francisco's Money Speech
an excerpt from Atlas Shrugged

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears not all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honorâ Your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money, is this what you consider evil?

"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made before it can be looted or mooched, made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the Axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss. The recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery, that you must offer them values, not wounds. That the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best that your money can find. And when men live by trade, with reason, not force, as their final arbiter, it is the best product that wins, the best performance, the man of best judgment and highest ability, and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the Law of Causality, the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants: money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth, the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Money is your means of survival. The verdict you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money, and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.

"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

"But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt and of his life, as he deserves.

"Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard, the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money, the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law, men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims, then money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.

"Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion, when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing, when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors, when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you, when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice, you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that is does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'

"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world? You are.

"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood, money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves, slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer, Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers, as industrialists.

"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money, and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being, the self-made man, the American industrialist.

"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose, because it contains all the others, the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money.' No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity, to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted of obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.

"Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide as, I think, he will.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns, or dollars. Take your choice, there is no other, and your time is running out."

4/2/2010 4:31:03 PM EDT
[#32]
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Guys,

After Obongo-care passed, I posted the following text from Atlas Shrugged..............

"I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago," said Dr. Hendricks. "Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward.

I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything-except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the 'welfare' of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only 'to serve.' That a man who's willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards-never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy.

I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind-yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands? Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims.

Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents it-and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn't."


Wow, after I read this I realized just how fucked we are. Better hope nothing major happens to you or your family after 2014.
4/2/2010 6:16:07 PM EDT
[#33]
Anyone got this on CD? I'd like to get it but had a question.

I want the unabridged version, I understand it is 63 CDs.

How long are the tracks?

I looked at getting it on iTunes and one of the complaints was the tracks are long, making it hard to get back to your place when you have to leave off. None of the places online say anything about the track length.

I may just get the book, 1200 pages doesn't scare me. I read Under the Dome, 1066 pages, in just under a week. Most normal length paperbacks take me less than a day to get through. Just thought this would be a good way to do something productive (sort of) since I'm stuck in the truck anyway.
4/2/2010 6:21:03 PM EDT
[#34]
I instantly recognized the passage.



Just about finished with "Fountainhead" and am enjoying it thoroughly. These are two of the very few fiction books I have read in a long time.
4/2/2010 6:22:09 PM EDT
[#35]
We're living Atlas Shrugged right now.  It's fucking crazy.
4/2/2010 7:14:50 PM EDT
[#36]
I've got Atlas Shrugged on my bookshelf. Once I finish grad. school (this August) I'll begin the read.
4/2/2010 7:53:10 PM EDT
[#37]
Where do you guys go for audio book downloads? Will be wanting MP3 or MP4 since I use a Sansa Fuze have no use for Itunes. Never mind I found an audio copy at the local library