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4/27/2015 12:18:07 PM EDT
I have 60 acres of woods and rolling hills and hollers. Thinking about putting in multiple shooting scenarios for handguns and shootguns. Sorta of like a walk thru course. Any advice on design, scenarios, or insurance?
4/27/2015 12:19:52 PM EDT
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I have 60 acres of woods and rolling hills and hollers. Thinking about putting in multiple shooting scenarios for handguns and shootguns. Sorta of like a walk thru course. Any advice on design, scenarios, or insurance?
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*shotguns

For public use?
Sounds expensive...

If you don't have Larue poppers, you suck
4/27/2015 12:23:57 PM EDT
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Public shooting range? On 60 acres sounds too small. Have neighbors?
4/27/2015 12:48:35 PM EDT
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Invite the local police department to use your range. With them on your side, it would be an uphill fight for anyone to shut you down.
4/27/2015 1:36:27 PM EDT
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and the OP is gone
4/27/2015 1:50:25 PM EDT
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Not sure what that's about but I do have a job.
4/27/2015 1:53:57 PM EDT
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WOW! yal do a lot of speculating. Must be Yankees.
I don't believe I ever said anything about public use (until now).
Not worried at all about getting shut down...Why all the negativity?
Expensive? Who said anything about Cost?

Geez...maybe I am on the wrong forum
4/27/2015 1:55:22 PM EDT
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4/27/2015 1:55:58 PM EDT
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I am familiar with that range
4/27/2015 1:56:46 PM EDT
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This.  Checkout Hickock45's setup on youtube.
4/27/2015 1:57:05 PM EDT
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Lack of details on your end equate to lack of quality answers on our end.

Your mention of insurance makes us think you'll be doing this for profit. If not, your HO policy should extend.

You've been around arfcom for 14 years - not sure how long you've been around GD 'cause this isn't negativity...

Do you want to shoot steel or paper or other reactive targets?
No rifle fire?
Natural features or will it be barricade type features?
Tactical "scenario"?
Will you be clearing any trees/bush?

We want to be helpful; some of us are jealous
4/27/2015 1:59:00 PM EDT
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Tell me more about "Shootguns".

Just jerking your chain.  Use Google earth to make sure you're not shooting at a dwelling on a neighbors property.  If you had a membership I would link to the archives and why I think this.

You can use the "labs" feature and see the roll of the terrain, at least on a smart phone, not sure how that works on a desktop.
4/27/2015 1:59:30 PM EDT
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I would like to get creative and not set boundaries. Target audience is CCW holders.


GOOD LORD! I have been in the safety business for 28 years...Please leave the neighbors out of it. They don't exist. It's a pistol range.
4/27/2015 2:01:08 PM EDT
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It'd be sweet to build a dark alley or get a dozen junkyard cars and build a "parking lot".

Sounds exciting.
4/27/2015 2:01:39 PM EDT
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Lack of details on your end equate to lack of quality answers on our end.

Upir mention of insurance makes us think you'll be doing this for profit. If not, your HO policy should extend.

You've been around arfcom for 14 years - not sure how long you've been around GD 'cause this isn't negativity...

Do you want to shoot steel or paper or other reactive targets?
No rifle fire?
Natural features or will it be barricade type features?
Tactical "scenario"?
Will you be clearing any trees/bush?

We want to be helpful; some of us are jealous
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yes, more details so my jealousy can grow exponentially....i only have 10 acres
4/27/2015 2:06:03 PM EDT
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I would like to get creative and not set boundaries. Target audience is CCW holders.


GOOD LORD! I have been in the safety business for 28 years...Please leave the neighbors out of it. They don't exist. It's a pistol range.
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So...you're saying you DON'T want advice?
4/27/2015 2:07:21 PM EDT
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So...you're saying you DON'T want advice?
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I would like to get creative and not set boundaries. Target audience is CCW holders.


GOOD LORD! I have been in the safety business for 28 years...Please leave the neighbors out of it. They don't exist. It's a pistol range.


So...you're saying you DON'T want advice?

This is going well
4/27/2015 2:08:59 PM EDT
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I have 60 acres of woods and rolling hills and hollers. Thinking about putting in multiple shooting scenarios for handguns and shootguns. Sorta of like a walk thru course. Any advice on design, scenarios, or insurance?
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I have 10 acres and while i havent set anything formal up yet, heres what i was thinking...

(my land is about 1300 feet deep by 350 feet wide, buildings are going up by the road entrance which runs one of the widths not the depth)

.22LR plink pit closest to the buildings, then a clearing to set up a clay launcher, then a back wall berm mostly for pistol but possibly could get some rifle in (rifle is lowest priority, primary rifle usage would be ARs so nothing long range regardless)

Mostly steel targets but also some paper and polymer thrown in for variety. Thinking natural berms as much as it can be done....move some earth, order some sand, build a few cinderblock retaining walls, etc.

keeping it modular would allow me to set up a "jungle walk" course of fire occasionally as well
4/27/2015 2:11:52 PM EDT
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I would like to get creative and not set boundaries. Target audience is CCW holders.


GOOD LORD! I have been in the safety business for 28 years...Please leave the neighbors out of it. They don't exist. ANYMORE!
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FIFY

4/27/2015 2:14:41 PM EDT
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This thread is full of Debbie downers. The guy has 60 acres and for a handgun/shotgun only course 10 acres would be more than adequate with proper berms..

OP these guys are the ones who read the back of a .22 box that says "will travel a mile"

ETA: you're weaksauce because you don't have 3000 acres, a Ferrari and 4 wives... or so says GD
4/27/2015 2:15:49 PM EDT
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I dunno, since it's wooded, you could use a combination of railroad ties and tires for backstops.

But aside from that, it's really gonna be up to you for your predicted use, cost, and efficient layout.

I'm guessing that you're going to eventually require an earth mover, a chainsaw, and some stump removal.
4/27/2015 2:19:11 PM EDT
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Big back stops, bunch of AR500, add in some pallet barricades;
4/27/2015 2:20:08 PM EDT
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A walking range would be fun.  In the woods with unknown distances as long as possible at several spots.  Set it up with multiple spots to shoot from into the same back stop.

A fixed range with a bench should point North.

4/27/2015 2:30:28 PM EDT
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I was really hoping for some air actuated pop ups ideas. I want some unique ideas not what everyone else has.
4/27/2015 2:34:14 PM EDT
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Hi OP:  I think its a great idea.  

Berms:  a must of course.  They should be designed to 1) allow easy mowing access, 2) Water drainage from rain to prevent creating a swamp instead of a shooting area, and 3) to last; there are determined angles/slopes for this, and also consider the vegitation needed to prevent soil erosion over time.  

Vegitation:  speaking of that, there supposedly are certain types of vegitation that reduce noise better than others.  Some types of thick evergreen comes to mind, but I'm no expert.  But even the best landscaping will allow some noise to travel.

Speaking of experts:  yes - the NRA has "consultants" for ranges but IGNORE THEIR IDIOTIC MODEL RANGE RULES!!!   Ever wonder why so many ranges have stupid rules like

"Only one aimed shot per second!"

"No Holsters!"

"No torso-shaped targets!! "

"NO STEEL TARGETS!!"

"No more than 5 or 10 rounds loaded in any magazine!"

-Yep - the NRA range consultants pass those out and try to pass them off as "liability reduction" - when some of it is simply politically correct BS.   Problem is:  the rules generally allow NRA sports but exclude realistic CCW and other types of practice.

Anyway, keep the Q.s comming - there are folks on this board who can help out I am sure.
4/27/2015 2:36:17 PM EDT
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In similar situation.

Been thinking of sand bags backed by railroad ties.

Berms just seem like jump ramps for bullets .
4/27/2015 2:41:15 PM EDT
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1. Moving dirt is expensive. Do it right the first time.


2. Good drainage is a must, or you will be visiting #1 again.


3. Clean back stop material is a must. Around my AO, it's easy - clay.  But if you got rocky soil, you could have issues.


4. Visit scrap yards to see if they have large plates of old steel.  Talking 3-4 inches thick at a time.



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5. See if any of your local scrap yards sell banded junk tires. I've seen a lot of places use them in front of back stops to keep bullets from coming back.