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4/28/2007 9:23:19 AM EDT
Sooo... I was looking for some x-rays of a hand today to compare some things here at work and I ran across this image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28129213@N00/127293920/

Here is a little more about the guy and his "chip":

http://www.amal.net/rfid.html

http://www.rfidtoys.net

I guess he did it for reasons like opening locks at home and in your car and doing quick "inventories" of things in your house.  If you notice one of the chapters in his book is about tracking employees.  Well ... I'm not getting "chipped" I'll tell ya that.  Mark of the Beast, Government cover-up ... call it what you want but I see no good coming from this.  

4/28/2007 9:28:19 AM EDT
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Sooo... I was looking for some x-rays of a hand today to compare some things here at work and I ran across this image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28129213@N00/127293920/

Here is a little more about the guy and his "chip":

http://www.amal.net/rfid.html

http://www.rfidtoys.net

I guess he did it for reasons like opening locks at home and in your car and doing quick "inventories" of things in your house.  If you notice one of the chapters in his book is about tracking employees.  Well ... I'm not getting "chipped" I'll tell ya that.  Mark of the Beast, Government cover-up ... call it what you want but I see no good coming from this.  



Ther is likely one in your D.L., inspection sticker, license plate tag, CCW, and In a few othe places.  Whether you are chipped or not is barely relevent, I believe they are supposed to chip money soon too.  Wait till they start chipping kids in public school for "Safety".  All this ends with virtual money and total government control.
4/28/2007 9:28:25 AM EDT
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call it what you want but I see no good coming from this.


  Best quote of the day so far.  RFID will be used to track us.
Its amazing how many folks will post in here that its tinfoil.
Will the folks who call tinfoil protect you when the gov mandates
implantable RFID tags....not likely.  Glad you're awake.
4/28/2007 9:40:30 AM EDT
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call it what you want but I see no good coming from this.


  Best quote of the day so far.  RFID will be used to track us.
Its amazing how many folks will post in here that its tinfoil.
Will the folks who call tinfoil protect you when the gov mandates
implantable RFID tags.
...not likely.  Glad you're awake.



Yep this thread will be ignored or those who post in it will be ridiculed all the while the only one who will not be chipped are illegals.
4/28/2007 9:44:21 AM EDT
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REVELATION 13:16
"And he causeth all ... to receive a mark in their right hand or foreheads, that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.....
it is the number of a man and his number is 666.




4/28/2007 9:46:26 AM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:

call it what you want but I see no good coming from this.


  Best quote of the day so far.  RFID will be used to track us.
Its amazing how many folks will post in here that its tinfoil.
Will the folks who call tinfoil protect you when the gov mandates
implantable RFID tags.
...not likely.  Glad you're awake.



Yep this thread will be ignored or those who post in it will be ridiculed all the while the only one who will not be chipped are illegals.


Not me!!
I'm aware of

The coming North American Union
America's turn to Fascism  "Police State"
Micro chipped population
The destruction of the constitution
Global corporate control "Global Fascism"
The future disarmament of America
The killing off of the middle class
Total awareness society

We're Fucked!!!!!!!
4/28/2007 9:47:00 AM EDT
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What most people ignore when they start ranting and raving about the government tracking them via RFID is that the range of passive RFID chips, the only ones suitable for implantation over the course of a human life, is roughly between 3 and 15 feet. Unless the government plans on installing RFID gates in every doorframe, street sign, mailbox, et cetera, et cetera, they're relatively useless for tracking people.

If the government is going to institute any widespread tracking program, they'll do it through already established communication media with far greater range, i.e. cell phones or wireless internet.

EDIT: You'll notice that he talks about tracking employee time through active RFID... these have a longer range, but also have their own power source, rather than using on-chip inductors. These would be cards or other items that the employee carries, not an implant.
4/28/2007 9:49:47 AM EDT
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Chipping really isn't that big of a deal.

The technology is so open-source that if any government or private agency WERE abusing it, the common folk would spot it so rapidly that there'd be a shitstorm descending on that particular group of abusers.

And, it isn't like it's all that hard to block RFID signals. They make wallets now that do it; as chipping tech becomes more widespread, smartass ways to block/scramble it will spread as well.


In reality, your credit card and SSN are more of a threat to you than being chipped is.
4/28/2007 9:50:12 AM EDT
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Clearly this technology is inherently evil. By existing, it will be foisted on all, by force. Maybe we could ban it.
4/28/2007 9:51:56 AM EDT
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What most people ignore when they start ranting and raving about the government tracking them via RFID is that the range of passive RFID chips, the only ones suitable for implantation over the course of a human life, is roughly between 3 and 15 feet. Unless the government plans on installing RFID gates in every doorframe, street sign, mailbox, et cetera, et cetera, they're relatively useless for tracking people.

If the government is going to institute any widespread tracking program, they'll do it through already established communication media with far greater range, i.e. cell phones or wireless internet.

EDIT: You'll notice that he talks about tracking employee time through active RFID... these have a longer range, but also have their own power source, rather than using on-chip inductors. These would be cards or other items that the employee carries, not an implant.


I don't think thy will be RFID tags. Digital Solutions already has implantable chips in subjects in Mexico. I don't know too much about it, or if they are life long. But the fact is technology will take us there within a decade.
4/28/2007 9:53:31 AM EDT
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Clearly this technology is inherently evil. By existing, it will be foisted on all, by force. Maybe we could ban it.


Actually, the real danger with controversial technology is it being readily accepted - or even demanded - by the uneducated masses, who see the (possible) short-term benefits and are ignorant of the (possible) eventual consequences.

Technology is generally not "forced" on anyone. People pay top dollar to get screwed over by science.

Look at Radium Water
4/28/2007 9:53:42 AM EDT
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RFID is not secure either. RFID tags can be cloned and any encryption they have employed is trivial. The RFID readers are supseptible to attacks making the scanner useless or destroying the back end systems. This technology is laughable.

-Foxxz
4/28/2007 9:57:30 AM EDT
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What most people ignore when they start ranting and raving about the government tracking them via RFID is that the range of passive RFID chips, the only ones suitable for implantation over the course of a human life, is roughly between 3 and 15 feet. Unless the government plans on installing RFID gates in every doorframe, street sign, mailbox, et cetera, et cetera, they're relatively useless for tracking people.

If the government is going to institute any widespread tracking program, they'll do it through already established communication media with far greater range, i.e. cell phones or wireless internet.

EDIT: You'll notice that he talks about tracking employee time through active RFID... these have a longer range, but also have their own power source, rather than using on-chip inductors. These would be cards or other items that the employee carries, not an implant.


The tech is in its infancy.  Remember computers the size of houses and 5MB disk drives the size of cars?

With IPv6 and the proliferation of wireless devices and networks, having RFID sensors *everywhere* is plausible and just a matter of time.

All this will be sold as a "convenience" to the sheeple, er, Citizens.  A way to make your life more pleasant, not having to deal with all those pesky credit and ID cards and Heaven forbid, that nasty cash.

And the sheeple will eat it up.  If not this generation, then the next after they've been suitably programmed, er, educated about the "benefits".
4/28/2007 9:58:17 AM EDT
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Actually, the real danger with controversial technology is it being readily accepted - or even demanded - by the uneducated masses, who see the (possible) short-term benefits and are ignorant of the (possible) eventual consequences.

Technology is generally not "forced" on anyone. People pay top dollar to get screwed over by science.

Look at Radium Water

Of course, the masses don't know what's good for them. That's why it must be banned. Letting people carry around personal information in electronic format would be the fast track to a new holocaust, not to mention another AWB.
4/28/2007 10:00:13 AM EDT
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Of course, the masses don't know what's good for them. That's why they must be educated.


Fixed that for you.

4/28/2007 10:02:14 AM EDT
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All this will be sold as a "convenience" to the sheeple, er, Citizens.  A way to make your life more pleasant, not having to deal with all those pesky credit and ID cards and Heaven forbid, that nasty cash.


I'm suddenly imagining a pioneer standing on a rock and preaching to the people about this new-fangled "currency" thing the government is trying to institute to replace the tried-and-true barter method.
4/28/2007 10:14:51 AM EDT
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What most people ignore when they start ranting and raving about the government tracking them via RFID is that the range of passive RFID chips, the only ones suitable for implantation over the course of a human life, is roughly between 3 and 15 feet. Unless the government plans on installing RFID gates in every doorframe, street sign, mailbox, et cetera, et cetera, they're relatively useless for tracking people.

If the government is going to institute any widespread tracking program, they'll do it through already established communication media with far greater range, i.e. cell phones or wireless internet.

EDIT: You'll notice that he talks about tracking employee time through active RFID... these have a longer range, but also have their own power source, rather than using on-chip inductors. These would be cards or other items that the employee carries, not an implant.


There is a very simple solution for making passive RFID implants a trackable form of ID. The government just forces all cell phone providers to put RFID readers in all their cell phones. They force car manufacturers to put RFID readers in all new cars.

Bingo, you can be tracked almost anywhere. And choosing not to carry a cell phone or drive a car is not a valid argument if someone near you happens to have a cell phone in their pocket, unknown to you, and their phone is sending signals to the nearest cell tower giving your location. Or a car you walk by tracks you and uploads your info via satellite.

Yeah, it might be tinfoil to think the government WOULD do that. I'm just saying that there ARE ways to do it with implantable RFID. Saying that it's not possible is like Bill Gates saying that nobody will ever need more than 64k of RAM.

As an engineer, I know there are almost always work arounds to seemingly impossible situations.
4/28/2007 10:25:54 AM EDT
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Were not at the point of implantable chips yet.... give it time.

http://news.com.com/RFID+passports+arrive+for+Americans/2100-1028_3-6105534.html