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Posted: 9/3/2015 3:01:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2015 3:05:05 PM EDT by switchtanks]
I was just wondering if you guys have any kind of protocol for shutting down threads before they reach critical mass.
I get that most of the time you guys just want us to all play together and not get out of CoC. I also believe, within my limited time here that the core concept behind GD is to promote dialogue on things important to our community.
The fun part is when tempers run high and Coc is violated.
To be perfectly frank I think 99.0% of ladies and gents here intend to obey these rule and speak our minds. I know I do. On the other hand, the entirety of what can be considered "General Discussion" is pretty broad and people on the web inflate their opinions accordingly, predictably. Its just human nature. I think there might be room for that consideration in the CoC.

So I was wondering if, and when a discussion is rapidly deteriorating into a member fucking up permanently, would the possibility of a pause button on that discussion be possible.
No bans, locks, warnings just a mention of the fact that certain people are entering the danger zone and pausing the discussion for a period of time.

I know you guys are way more experienced with wrangling in angry, drunk, pontificating and occasionally just mean gun nutz than I ever will be.
But I don't think the concept could hurt.

Any thoughts?
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Link Posted: 9/3/2015 3:05:39 PM EDT
They just lock then unlock the thread.


Happens all the time.

Link Posted: 9/3/2015 3:07:18 PM EDT
Mods do warn people to calm down before threads get locked.  Also editing picture threads multiple times so they didn't get locked.  Rarely threads get unlocked, so therefore paused.

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Link Posted: 9/3/2015 3:09:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bloatingfloater:
They just lock then unlock the thread.


Happens all the time.

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Is the criteria for doing so discretionary?
I just thought there might be room for an established practice to prevent members for booting themselves out.

It just seemed like a reasonable idea to me.
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Originally Posted By Tango7:
One of the biggest reasons threads get locked?



When it would be safer for the thread to post

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Originally Posted By Tango7:
One of the biggest reasons threads get locked?

Originally Posted By COC Violator
COC Violation

COC Violation

COC Violation


When it would be safer for the thread to post

Originally Posted By COC Violator

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Thanks for the feed back, but is that the end all?
I know this is Ed's site and someone who owns something is entitled to do what he wants with it. As Arfcom and its members has helped me evolve over the years and better myself I though I could reciprocate.

Do you find this my proposal to be not worth it or unnecessary?
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Originally Posted By switchtanks:
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I think what he's saying is that he'd rather leave the policing of the site to be member, not mod, driven.  Having a pause button the mods could use would require then to either be logged in continuously, or be responsible for logging in as soon as a "request for pause" hit his/her email. As mods aren't paid, I can't see many of them agreeing to that.

If it was vote based, the potential for misuse far out weighs the convenience.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


We already have the report button. When someone clicks that, it generates a mod Bat Signal that shows up in our face every time we access the site. We look at the reports, take whatever action is appropriate, and move on.

Most of the time the stuff that gets reported isn't breaking any rules so doing nothing is all that is required.

Sometimes it's something we can calm down with a public post or two.

Sometimes the thread is FUBAR and we have to lock it.

Sometimes it's just one person being a dick and we issue a warning...or if they have a demonstrated history of this behavior that's been documented, a staffer locks 'em.

Sometimes it's dick pics and I get to use my ban button and say funny things in the blue text.

Requesting a thread "pause" wouldn't really be any different than the current report system. It would be asking for a temporary lock on the thread because people are misbehaving...and I don't see that being workable.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By JohnnyCarcinogen:
Originally Posted By switchtanks:
Do you find this my proposal to be not worth it or unnecessary?

I think what he's saying is that he'd rather leave the policing of the site to be member, not mod, driven.  Having a pause button the mods could use would require then to either be logged in continuously, or be responsible for logging in as soon as a "request for pause" hit his/her email. As mods aren't paid, I can't see many of them agreeing to that.

If it was vote based, the potential for misuse far out weighs the convenience.


We already have the report button. When someone clicks that, it generates a mod Bat Signal that shows up in our face every time we access the site. We look at the reports, take whatever action is appropriate, and move on.

Most of the time the stuff that gets reported isn't breaking any rules so doing nothing is all that is required.

Sometimes it's something we can calm down with a public post or two.

Sometimes the thread is FUBAR and we have to lock it.

Sometimes it's just one person being a dick and we issue a warning...or if they have a demonstrated history of this behavior that's been documented, a staffer locks 'em.

Sometimes it's dick pics and I get to use my ban button and say funny things in the blue text.

Requesting a thread "pause" wouldn't really be any different than the current report system. It would be asking for a temporary lock on the thread because people are misbehaving...and I don't see that being workable.


if it just can't work, it just can't work... I just though i'd ask
I'm not a computer programmer and don't know any of the specifics of how one could implement my proposal or how outside the possibility circumference this was.
I did feel like it might have bee useful, if it could be arranged.
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Originally Posted By switchtanks:


Is the criteria for doing so discretionary?
I just thought there might be room for an established practice to prevent members for booting themselves out.

It just seemed like a reasonable idea to me.
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Originally Posted By switchtanks:
Originally Posted By bloatingfloater:
They just lock then unlock the thread.


Happens all the time.



Is the criteria for doing so discretionary?
I just thought there might be room for an established practice to prevent members for booting themselves out.

It just seemed like a reasonable idea to me.


I think the very simple key is for everyone to  - just be reasonable.

Guessing.

A.W.D.
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Sigh

was trying to Pre-empt any fallout from the Boston thread
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Originally Posted By basp2005:
Mods do warn people to calm down before threads get locked.  Also editing picture threads multiple times so they didn't get locked.  Rarely threads get unlocked, so therefore paused.

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That would be mine, I think.

What a shit show that was.

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DK-Prof definitely needs a raise.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:48:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


We already have the report button. When someone clicks that, it generates a mod Bat Signal that shows up in our face every time we access the site. We look at the reports, take whatever action is appropriate, and move on.

Most of the time the stuff that gets reported isn't breaking any rules so doing nothing is all that is required.

Sometimes it's something we can calm down with a public post or two.

Sometimes the thread is FUBAR and we have to lock it.

Sometimes it's just one person being a dick and we issue a warning...or if they have a demonstrated history of this behavior that's been documented, a staffer locks 'em.

Sometimes it's dick pics and I get to use my ban button and say funny things in the blue text.

Requesting a thread "pause" wouldn't really be any different than the current report system. It would be asking for a temporary lock on the thread because people are misbehaving...and I don't see that being workable.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By JohnnyCarcinogen:
Originally Posted By switchtanks:
Do you find this my proposal to be not worth it or unnecessary?

I think what he's saying is that he'd rather leave the policing of the site to be member, not mod, driven.  Having a pause button the mods could use would require then to either be logged in continuously, or be responsible for logging in as soon as a "request for pause" hit his/her email. As mods aren't paid, I can't see many of them agreeing to that.

If it was vote based, the potential for misuse far out weighs the convenience.


We already have the report button. When someone clicks that, it generates a mod Bat Signal that shows up in our face every time we access the site. We look at the reports, take whatever action is appropriate, and move on.

Most of the time the stuff that gets reported isn't breaking any rules so doing nothing is all that is required.

Sometimes it's something we can calm down with a public post or two.

Sometimes the thread is FUBAR and we have to lock it.

Sometimes it's just one person being a dick and we issue a warning...or if they have a demonstrated history of this behavior that's been documented, a staffer locks 'em.

Sometimes it's dick pics and I get to use my ban button and say funny things in the blue text.

Requesting a thread "pause" wouldn't really be any different than the current report system. It would be asking for a temporary lock on the thread because people are misbehaving...and I don't see that being workable.


That's something I've been curious about, how the reports get entered, handed out, and closed.

I've got this picture in my head of a little popup like the IM warning window that lets you know, you click through, handle business, go back to close it out in the logs with whatever resolution has taken place.

How far off am I?
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:




That would be mine, I think.

What a shit show that was.

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DK-Prof definitely needs a raise.
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:
Originally Posted By basp2005:
Mods do warn people to calm down before threads get locked.  Also editing picture threads multiple times so they didn't get locked.  Rarely threads get unlocked, so therefore paused.

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That would be mine, I think.

What a shit show that was.

link

DK-Prof definitely needs a raise.


You have some amazing property, and while I could be mistaken, I think you posted the wrong thread

ETA: maybe now I understand the humor in it all
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Originally Posted By switchtanks:


You have some amazing property, and while I could be mistaken, I think you posted the wrong thread

ETA: maybe now I understand the humor in it all
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Originally Posted By switchtanks:
Originally Posted By Zack3g:
Originally Posted By basp2005:
Mods do warn people to calm down before threads get locked.  Also editing picture threads multiple times so they didn't get locked.  Rarely threads get unlocked, so therefore paused.

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That would be mine, I think.

What a shit show that was.

link

DK-Prof definitely needs a raise.


You have some amazing property, and while I could be mistaken, I think you posted the wrong thread

ETA: maybe now I understand the humor in it all


Nope, that was the thread that got edited by DK a million times.

Read through it. A good half of the posts if not more are [Deleted]



That's not exactly my property. Public lake/swamp place about an hour from here.
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:


That's something I've been curious about, how the reports get entered, handed out, and closed.

I've got this picture in my head of a little popup like the IM warning window that lets you know, you click through, handle business, go back to close it out in the logs with whatever resolution has taken place.

How far off am I?
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By JohnnyCarcinogen:
Originally Posted By switchtanks:
Do you find this my proposal to be not worth it or unnecessary?

I think what he's saying is that he'd rather leave the policing of the site to be member, not mod, driven.  Having a pause button the mods could use would require then to either be logged in continuously, or be responsible for logging in as soon as a "request for pause" hit his/her email. As mods aren't paid, I can't see many of them agreeing to that.

If it was vote based, the potential for misuse far out weighs the convenience.


We already have the report button. When someone clicks that, it generates a mod Bat Signal that shows up in our face every time we access the site. We look at the reports, take whatever action is appropriate, and move on.

Most of the time the stuff that gets reported isn't breaking any rules so doing nothing is all that is required.

Sometimes it's something we can calm down with a public post or two.

Sometimes the thread is FUBAR and we have to lock it.

Sometimes it's just one person being a dick and we issue a warning...or if they have a demonstrated history of this behavior that's been documented, a staffer locks 'em.

Sometimes it's dick pics and I get to use my ban button and say funny things in the blue text.

Requesting a thread "pause" wouldn't really be any different than the current report system. It would be asking for a temporary lock on the thread because people are misbehaving...and I don't see that being workable.


That's something I've been curious about, how the reports get entered, handed out, and closed.

I've got this picture in my head of a little popup like the IM warning window that lets you know, you click through, handle business, go back to close it out in the logs with whatever resolution has taken place.

How far off am I?


In my experience:

If you get a warning, you get an im, and perhaps some discussion ensues, with an immediate resolution.

An account lock, you get a pop-up, an explanation of what you've done, and the length of the lock, along with the offer to discuss w/ Sr staff and/ or the mod/staff who locked you if you think you've been wronged.

Trust me, if you get locked, staff and mods will be most helpful in explaining what went wrong.

And pretty much, they will be right.

How records are kept, I don't know.

Most thread locks I've seen are instant and permanent, although pit threads and EE feedback threads get temporary locks at times to allow people to respond or get caught up.


No need for a pause button when they've got on/off.



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Originally Posted By usjet:


In my experience:

If you get a warning, you get an im, and perhaps some discussion ensues, with an immediate resolution.

An account lock, you get a pop-up, an explanation of what you've done, and the length of the lock, along with the offer to discuss w/ Sr staff and/ or the mod/staff who locked you if you think you've been wronged.

Trust me, if you get locked, staff and mods will be most helpful in explaining what went wrong.

And pretty much, they will be right.

How records are kept, I don't know.

Most thread locks I've seen are instant and permanent, although pit threads and EE feedback threads get temporary locks at times to allow people to respond or get caught up.


No need for a pause button when they've got on/off.



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You went completely in another direction with that than I had intended.

I was speaking of the little popup window that blacks out the screen and won't go away until you access and read the instant message that's waiting for you.

What happens when you get a warning/lock/etc is something for another thread
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the closest i've seen to a pause.

would be when a mod steps into a thread and tells people to knocked it off.

the lock usually happens a page or two later.

i think a lot of people see that "knock it off" as the yellow speed up light.

kinda get your punches in before the final bell.


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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


We often do tell people who are misbehaving to knock it off.

If someone in a position of responsibility for enforcing the rules telling you "Continuing this behavior is a bad idea" isn't enough to make you stop, then I doubt a temporary thread lock would be of much use either.

Temporary bans are a pretty rarely used measure and in every instance I'm aware of have happened after a bunch of interaction prior to that.

In other words, nobody gets banned for getting hot under the collar once. Bans come as a result of patterns of behavior or posting scat porn and dick pics.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By switchtanks:
So I was wondering if, and when a discussion is rapidly deteriorating into a member fucking up permanently, would the possibility of a pause button on that discussion be possible.
No bans, locks, warnings just a mention of the fact that certain people are entering the danger zone and pausing the discussion for a period of time.


We often do tell people who are misbehaving to knock it off.

If someone in a position of responsibility for enforcing the rules telling you "Continuing this behavior is a bad idea" isn't enough to make you stop, then I doubt a temporary thread lock would be of much use either.

Temporary bans are a pretty rarely used measure and in every instance I'm aware of have happened after a bunch of interaction prior to that.

In other words, nobody gets banned for getting hot under the collar once. Bans come as a result of patterns of behavior or posting scat porn and dick pics.

So we're not allowed to post dick pics in the .mil forum anymore?
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Sort of close. We have extra icons on our control panel up at the top between the log in/log out button on the left and the number of online users on the right.

Some of the controls include:

Nuke it from outer space
More cowbell
Lock user
Order pizza and beer
IM user
Turn on reporting parties web cam and microphone
Automatic cross post to 4chan
Label as Paul-bot
Issue timeout to user

Just to be clear ETA:
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:How far off am I?


Sort of close. We have extra icons on our control panel up at the top between the log in/log out button on the left and the number of online users on the right.

Some of the controls include:

Nuke it from outer space
More cowbell
Lock user
Order pizza and beer
IM user
Turn on reporting parties web cam and microphone
Automatic cross post to 4chan
Label as Paul-bot
Issue timeout to user

Just to be clear ETA:

/k/,/pol/, or /b/?
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Originally Posted By switchtanks:


Thanks for the feed back, but is that the end all?


I know this is Ed's site and someone who owns something is entitled to do what he wants with it. As Arfcom and its members has helped me evolve over the years and better myself I though I could reciprocate.





Do you find this my proposal to be not worth it or unnecessary?
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I don't see where it is the mods job to prevent people from inserting their heads up their third points of contact. Anyone who violates the CoC knows they are doing so.




 
 
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:







We often do tell people who are misbehaving to knock it off.



If someone in a position of responsibility for enforcing the rules telling you "Continuing this behavior is a bad idea" isn't enough to make you stop, then I doubt a temporary thread lock would be of much use either.



Temporary bans are a pretty rarely used measure and in every instance I'm aware of have happened after a bunch of interaction prior to that.



In other words, nobody gets banned for getting hot under the collar once. Bans come as a result of patterns of behavior or posting scat porn and dick pics.

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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:



Originally Posted By switchtanks:

So I was wondering if, and when a discussion is rapidly deteriorating into a member fucking up permanently, would the possibility of a pause button on that discussion be possible.

No bans, locks, warnings just a mention of the fact that certain people are entering the danger zone and pausing the discussion for a period of time.





We often do tell people who are misbehaving to knock it off.



If someone in a position of responsibility for enforcing the rules telling you "Continuing this behavior is a bad idea" isn't enough to make you stop, then I doubt a temporary thread lock would be of much use either.



Temporary bans are a pretty rarely used measure and in every instance I'm aware of have happened after a bunch of interaction prior to that.



In other words, nobody gets banned for getting hot under the collar once. Bans come as a result of patterns of behavior or posting scat porn and dick pics.

I've seen plenty of times where other members (not mods) have tried, usually in vain, to let someone know that they need to chill out before they get locked up.  I tried to warn some members that I liked a few times.  It didn't work.

 
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