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11/10/2011 8:48:43 AM EDT

Sorry for yet another thread on this and I'm certainly not trying to "pile on",  for there's plenty enough being said about this everywhere else.  But this is something I want to know from you PSU folks.  



I,  like everybody other fan in the sporting world, am broken-hearted about this whole mess.  I can't think of a bigger disappointment ever in the sporting world.  JoePa was a man I loved and respected my whole life and for all his accomplishments and his charity,  it's all irrelevant now.



If it were some kind of cheating scandal or something I think he'd still get his due.  But this case is really, really bad.




My question is:  What are you guys thinking about in picking up the pieces and moving forward?  I've thought about it and tried to imagine if that had happened at my beloved program and I really just don't know.  I've been a Bama fan my whole life and it's all I know.  But I imagine it would be difficult for me to proudly wave a flag in support after such events.




One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans;  all by a few complicit individuals.  This is just devastating and very, very sad.  I feel for you guys and hope the best for all the innocent that are caught up in this.
11/10/2011 8:53:06 AM EDT
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My question is:  What are you guys thinking about in picking up the pieces and moving forward?  I've thought about it and tried to imagine if that had happened at my beloved program and I really just don't know.  I've been a Bama fan my whole life and it's all I know.  But I imagine it would be difficult for me to proudly wave a flag in support after such events.


Fire the coaching staff, amongst others. Bring in new people.

I've been wondering why we haven't fired Spanier since I was there.

I'll continue to wave my flag because neither I, nor my profs, nor anybody I ever knew at PSU did anything wrong. There's about 9k staff and 95k students in the PSU system.
11/10/2011 8:56:20 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.
11/10/2011 9:04:24 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.




Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.



Football is big bidnez.
I can't imagine too many others would have swept this under the rug.  Like I said earlier,  if this was cheating or some other criminal endeavor that didn't involve harming children;  I would be a much different case.  But the vast majority are have mortality that wouldn't even think of the fallout.  I know I'd personally shout from the rooftops if I knew any such info regardless of how it may affect my program.  I just don't think there's many human beings that could let this occur.  I can't comprehend.





 
11/10/2011 9:24:28 AM EDT
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Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.
I can't imagine too many others would have swept this under the rug.  Like I said earlier,  if this was cheating or some other criminal endeavor that didn't involve harming children....

....I just don't think there's many human beings that could let this occur.  I can't comprehend.


You would be wrong.
11/10/2011 9:30:19 AM EDT
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What happened?

11/10/2011 9:31:41 AM EDT
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What happened?



Fans rioted in Happy Valley
11/10/2011 9:32:46 AM EDT
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Considering that he passed the allegations up to University staff, the ire is mis-directed.
11/10/2011 9:36:32 AM EDT
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Considering that he passed the allegations up to University staff, the ire is mis-directed.


So if you found out someone on your staff was fucking little boys in your locker room, you wouldn't call the cops?  You'd just let someone else know and hope they did the right thing?
11/10/2011 9:52:05 AM EDT
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Considering that he passed the allegations up to University staff, the ire is mis-directed.


So if you found out someone on your staff was fucking little boys in your locker room, you wouldn't call the cops?  You'd just let someone else know and hope they did the right thing?


If I walked in on someone fucking any child he would get a bunch of knuckle bumps before I call the police.

11/10/2011 9:56:29 AM EDT
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Considering that he passed the allegations up to University staff, the ire is mis-directed.


Joe did not follow the law, he did the minimum and what he was told to.
11/10/2011 9:58:25 AM EDT
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I can't imagine too many others would have swept this under the rug.  Like I said earlier,  if this was cheating or some other criminal endeavor that didn't involve harming children;  I would be a much different case.  But the vast majority are have mortality that wouldn't even think of the fallout.  I know I'd personally shout from the rooftops if I knew any such info regardless of how it may affect my program.  I just don't think there's many human beings that could let this occur.  I can't comprehend.


Unless 'Dear Old State' is very lucky, I fear that this is the tip of the iceberg, sadly.
11/10/2011 10:06:19 AM EDT
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My question is:  What are you guys thinking about in picking up the pieces and moving forward?  I've thought about it and tried to imagine if that had happened at my beloved program and I really just don't know.  I've been a Bama fan my whole life and it's all I know.  But I imagine it would be difficult for me to proudly wave a flag in support after such events.


Fire the coaching staff, amongst others. Bring in new people.

I've been wondering why we haven't fired Spanier since I was there.

I'll continue to wave my flag because neither I, nor my profs, nor anybody I ever knew at PSU did anything wrong. There's about 9k staff and 95k students in the PSU system.


Yep. It's pretty easy to clear out the people with culpability in this.
Once that's done, the rest of PSU can get back to normal.
11/10/2011 10:08:32 AM EDT
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Considering that he passed the allegations up to University staff, the ire is mis-directed.


So if you found out someone on your staff was fucking little boys in your locker room, you wouldn't call the cops?  You'd just let someone else know and hope they did the right thing?


I'd probably be arrested for what i'd do in that situation, because it would likely far exceed the legal expectations of the protecting the child's welfare.
11/10/2011 10:20:15 AM EDT
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I went to Pitt for undergrad, and Pitt traditionally hates Penn State.

That being said, Pitt has (or had) the most criminals as 'student athletes' according to SI

In a span between mid-July and late September, four players were arrested for four separate, violent crimes.

First, senior defensive end Jabaal Sheard was charged with aggravated assault and resisting arrest after allegedly throwing a man through the glass door of an art gallery. Authorities told SI that even after an officer arrived on the scene, Sheard continued to punch the victim in the face as he lay on his back, bleeding. Sheard was suspended from the team. But after pleading guilty to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct on Aug. 4, 2010, he was reinstated for the 2010 season.

In an interview last month, former Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt, who resigned after his team finished a disappointing 8-5, defended Sheard, saying he was just trying to come to the aid of another player and break up a fight.

On Sept. 12, redshirt freshman running back Jason Douglas was charged with aggravated assault by vehicle while driving under the influence. According to court records, Douglas hit a male pedestrian, whom police found lying in the street, bleeding from open wounds to his head and throat. As Douglas was handcuffed he said: "Hey I play for Pitt football ... please don't arrest me." He was suspended from the team and has pleaded not guilty.

On Sept. 18, sophomore offensive lineman Keith Coleman was charged with aggravated assault and harassment. Police records indicate that in an incident on the street near the Pitt campus he beat up one man and body slammed another who attempted to intervene. One of the victims was treated for a broken shoulder. Coleman was suspended indefinitely. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and is awaiting trial.

Finally on Sept. 22, police responded to a 911 call reporting that a man was choking a woman at Chatham University in Pittsburgh. Officers found Donna Turner bent over on a porch, crying and vomiting. She identified her attacker as Jeffrey Knox, a freshman defensive back at Pitt.

"Knox ... open handed slapped Turner in the head with such force that she was thrown to the ground," the police report states. "Knox then jumped on her, grabbed her by the throat, picked her up by her throat and slammed her head into the wall. He held her against the wall, continuing to choke her."

When two female witnesses tried pulling Knox off Turner, he allegedly threw punches at them and knocked them down. He then left the scene before authorities arrived. A day later, Knox was dismissed from the team after being charged with assault and reckless endangerment.


Penn State was also on that list, along with Oklahome, Ohio State, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Alabama, USC, Georgia Tech, Texas and others (they only listed the Top 25) but Pitt was in its own universe.

Why do they tolerate this? In Pitt's case, the Golden Panthers (alumni) pay zillions to their alma mater, and TV continues to pay for televising rights.

ANYTHING TO WIN.

It's the fundamental moral failing of the school that permits this crap to go on.

To make it worse, these schools usually get state funding.


Back on topic, I did not go to Penn State, know people who did, and have been to State College for various functions over the years.

It's a nice place with for the large part decent people. They do need wholesale house cleaning, and it will take some time, but they will rebuild.

It might provide a little better balance to life, and get people weaned from the obsession with sports, that is proving to be less than healthy in many ways.


Blame the perp first, then the enablers. Don't hang this on the students.

JMO
11/10/2011 10:27:40 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Agreed.  It doesn't excuse not coming forward sooner but agreed.
11/10/2011 10:28:14 AM EDT
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Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.
I can't imagine too many others would have swept this under the rug.  Like I said earlier,  if this was cheating or some other criminal endeavor that didn't involve harming children....

....I just don't think there's many human beings that could let this occur.  I can't comprehend.


You would be wrong.


Especially in D1 sports.
11/10/2011 10:34:30 AM EDT
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Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.
I can't imagine too many others would have swept this under the rug.  Like I said earlier,  if this was cheating or some other criminal endeavor that didn't involve harming children....

....I just don't think there's many human beings that could let this occur.  I can't comprehend.


You would be wrong.


Especially in D1 sports.


Hell, Baylor coaches once were messing with a murder investigation.
11/10/2011 10:35:47 AM EDT
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Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.
I can't imagine too many others would have swept this under the rug.  Like I said earlier,  if this was cheating or some other criminal endeavor that didn't involve harming children....

....I just don't think there's many human beings that could let this occur.  I can't comprehend.


You would be wrong.


Yep.
11/10/2011 10:38:46 AM EDT
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Considering that he passed the allegations up to University staff, the ire is mis-directed.


So if you found out someone on your staff was fucking little boys in your locker room, you wouldn't call the cops?  You'd just let someone else know and hope they did the right thing?


or he could have fired his defensive coordinator.



He traded a child's innocence for football. Fuck him. I hope he suffers.
11/10/2011 10:45:54 AM EDT
[#20]
I've been a PSU fan all my life.  Check my new (temporary) avatar for my feeling on the matter.



I would not be surprised if PSU forfeited the remainder of the season and the NCAA issued a death penalty before next season starts.



I would not be surprised if it were cheaper to demolish Beaver Stadium than to maintain it for as long as it would take to have another game played there.



Convert the other football facilities to other purposes.



Tear down the Joe Pa statue.



Rename the library.



If PSU football is going to continue to exist, the ENTIRE coaching staff needs to be replaced ASAP.
11/10/2011 10:50:49 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Possibly correct but a lesson needs to be taught here.


 I'd be perfectly fine with giving PSU the death penalty and by that I mean making them unwelcome to ever play NCAA sports again.

 
11/10/2011 10:51:40 AM EDT
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My question is:  What are you guys thinking about in picking up the pieces and moving forward?




i know that penn state will never be the same and that's a tough realization to deal with even though football and moving forward matters little right now



the only positive i can see out of this sickening scandal is that it's not okay to do nothing and maybe some kids will be saved from a lifetime of pain





 
11/10/2011 10:54:44 AM EDT
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Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.
I can't imagine too many others would have swept this under the rug.  Like I said earlier,  if this was cheating or some other criminal endeavor that didn't involve harming children....

....I just don't think there's many human beings that could let this occur.  I can't comprehend.


You would be wrong.


Especially in D1 sports.


Hell, Baylor coaches once were messing with a murder investigation.


They will protect their own, especially if someone high-ranking in the organization......but goddamn you JoePa....damn you.
11/10/2011 10:55:44 AM EDT
[#24]
What happened?
11/10/2011 10:57:31 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Possibly correct but a lesson needs to be taught here.


 I'd be perfectly fine with giving PSU the death penalty and by that I mean making them unwelcome to ever play NCAA sports again.


Yeah, fuck those kids on the tennis team!

Maybe we could just pull everybody's degree back. Maybe chisel "Went to Pedo State" on LT Murphy's grave.
11/10/2011 10:58:02 AM EDT
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Overlooking the hurting of a child for any reason including a football program, tradition, reputation, religion, family ties, money, etc. is horribly wrong.

Whoever had knowledge of what was going on, any knowledge at all, should have been screaming to the heavens and everyone and anyone who would listen until those responsible were dealt with by the law.

I don't care that he is a beloved old man, I don't care that he is a legendary football coach, HE DIDNT DO ENOUGH.  And he even said as much.  Everyone who didn't do enough should be dealt with harshly.

Those who defend him are those that likely would overlook this same thing by coming up with rational excuses.  You either did enough or you didn't do enough.  There is no gray area here.  There is right and wrong.

It's pathetic that people want to defend these people that had full knowledge of what was going on and what was happening.  You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I hope anyone who allows the hurting of child by looking the other way and not doing enough burns in hell just like the person who did the hurting.

Yeah I am venting, but I have deep and warranted feelings on this subject matter.
11/10/2011 11:05:58 AM EDT
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Why are people more angry with Joe Paterno than the guy who actually did the deed? I don't get it, but some people love to let their emotions run wild in situations like this. I'm more angry with the athletic coordinator and the guy who actually did it than I am with Joe Paterno.
11/10/2011 11:10:38 AM EDT
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and yet, were smuggling guns across the border to cartels which have killed a shit ton of people... nothing.





hopefully sandusky and the rest involved burn but i want holder and co to burn more for whaat theyve done.
11/10/2011 11:11:13 AM EDT
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Why are people more angry with Joe Paterno than the guy who actually did the deed? I don't get it, but some people love to let their emotions run wild in situations like this. I'm more angry with the athletic coordinator and the guy who actually did it than I am with Joe Paterno.


Joe is the known face of Penn State



 
11/10/2011 11:12:09 AM EDT
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This police investigation was YEARS in the making... and yet nothing came to light until the week AFTER Paterno got his 409th win!??



Oh just pure coincidence.... yeah, right!



It is OBVIOUS that this was covered-up for a LONG time - just so that "JoePa" could get his place in history, because everyone knows that as soon as this story became public - Paterno would HAVE to go because he ENABLED a kiddie-rapist to keep preying on kids.



And now Penn students are rioting at his firing, even though he ADMITTED he was wrong and he resigned because of his involvement in this sick scandal.



That's not rational, that's just a sick devotion to Paterno as a cult-figure and more evidence that Penn State is a cult, and Paterno is the leader.




11/10/2011 11:14:31 AM EDT
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Why are people more angry with Joe Paterno than the guy who actually did the deed? I don't get it, but some people love to let their emotions run wild in situations like this. I'm more angry with the athletic coordinator and the guy who actually did it than I am with Joe Paterno.


Same reason I blame Obama for all this illegal and unconstiutional things his cronies do, because he is the leader and the face of the government.  He is the one who could make something change if he really wanted to.
11/10/2011 11:15:06 AM EDT
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Why are people more angry with Joe Paterno than the guy who actually did the deed? I don't get it, but some people love to let their emotions run wild in situations like this. I'm more angry with the athletic coordinator and the guy who actually did it than I am with Joe Paterno.



No one is rioting over the arrest of kiddie-rapists.





They're rioting because one of the kiddie-rapists enablers was fired.... who just so happened to be the untouchable guru of the Penn State Cult - Joe Paterno.





What I'm wondering is why they're not rioting over the fact that this was COVERED-UP for so long to save Paterno and his reputation!?
 
11/10/2011 11:15:42 AM EDT
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more evidence that Penn State is a cult, and Paterno is the leader.





Next tell us how all black people steal televisions, or everybody in the Army makes naked pyramids.
11/10/2011 11:16:11 AM EDT
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I dont see them forfeiting the rest of the season..........the players didnt do anything wrong, but will suffer just the same. The NCAA is a different matter altogether, but as for the Death Penalty, I dont see that either............sanctions of some sort, possibly. I believe "LOI" was tossed around by some on ESPN. PSU football will take a looooong time to recover from this mess, but they will in time. But I would not doubt a thorough house cleaning takes place at the end of the season

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I've been a PSU fan all my life.  Check my new (temporary) avatar for my feeling on the matter.

I would not be surprised if PSU forfeited the remainder of the season and the NCAA issued a death penalty before next season starts.

I would not be surprised if it were cheaper to demolish Beaver Stadium than to maintain it for as long as it would take to have another game played there.

Convert the other football facilities to other purposes.

Tear down the Joe Pa statue.

Rename the library.

If PSU football is going to continue to exist, the ENTIRE coaching staff needs to be replaced ASAP.


11/10/2011 11:16:16 AM EDT
[#35]





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more evidence that Penn State is a cult, and Paterno is the leader.

















Next tell us how all black people steal televisions, or everybody in the Army makes naked pyramids.



Strawman argument is full of straw, man.
 
11/10/2011 11:17:41 AM EDT
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Why are people more angry with Joe Paterno than the guy who actually did the deed? I don't get it, but some people love to let their emotions run wild in situations like this. I'm more angry with the athletic coordinator and the guy who actually did it than I am with Joe Paterno.


Nobody is more angry at Paterno than at Sandusky.



Order of disdain:



Sandusky

McQueary (eyewitness)

McQueary's father (first person to speak to eyewitness about the rape)

Paterno (second person to hear about the rape)

Curley (third person to hear about the rape)



I'm leaving out McQueary's wife (if he had one) and mother (assuming his dad told his wife about it) and Sue Paterno (if Joe even mentioned it to her).



Sandusky = perpetrator of atrocities

McQueary = eyewitness to atrocities that failed to do anything about them

McQueary's father = person who failed to advise the eyewitness to call the police

Paterno = should have fired McQueary and called the police himself when he realized that McQueary had not done so already

Curley = should have fired both Paterno and McQueary for failing to call the police when he realized that they had not already



Paterno's sin of omission is great enough to justify serious outrage, but nobody thinks he's as bad as the actual child rapist.



 
11/10/2011 11:17:49 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Possibly correct but a lesson needs to be taught here.


 I'd be perfectly fine with giving PSU the death penalty and by that I mean making them unwelcome to ever play NCAA sports again.


Yeah, fuck those kids on the tennis team!

Maybe we could just pull everybody's degree back. Maybe chisel "Went to Pedo State" on LT Murphy's grave.



 Sucks for them that they chose a shitty school. If they want to play tennis,they can go elsewhere.

  Whatever legacy PSU leaves for its alumni is their own problem. Don't like being a haven for pedarests? Be real men and place the wellfare and future wellbeing over that of an assistant coach. The fact that so many decided that one pedarests career is more important than the reputation of an entire university speaks volumes as to how straight their priorities were.

 
11/10/2011 11:20:27 AM EDT
[#38]
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Possibly correct but a lesson needs to be taught here.


 I'd be perfectly fine with giving PSU the death penalty and by that I mean making them unwelcome to ever play NCAA sports again.


Yeah, fuck those kids on the tennis team!

Maybe we could just pull everybody's degree back. Maybe chisel "Went to Pedo State" on LT Murphy's grave.



 Sucks for them that they chose a shitty school.



Yeah, it's a real shitty school. Where the students themselves raise millions every year for cancer research.

How many MOH recipients have come out of your alma mater lately?
11/10/2011 11:25:20 AM EDT
[#39]
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Possibly correct but a lesson needs to be taught here.


 I'd be perfectly fine with giving PSU the death penalty and by that I mean making them unwelcome to ever play NCAA sports again.


Yeah, fuck those kids on the tennis team!

Maybe we could just pull everybody's degree back. Maybe chisel "Went to Pedo State" on LT Murphy's grave.



 Sucks for them that they chose a shitty school.



Yeah, it's a real shitty school. Where the students themselves raise millions every year for cancer research.

How many MOH recipients have come out of your alma mater lately?


Just when I think I've seen the limit to WTF ? Now you are condemning the entire school, and all the kids who play in all the different sports programs at that university? You have got to be fucking kidding me. What the fuck is your problem?
11/10/2011 11:27:07 AM EDT
[#40]
damn, space time continuum dupe
11/10/2011 11:27:12 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Possibly correct but a lesson needs to be taught here.


 I'd be perfectly fine with giving PSU the death penalty and by that I mean making them unwelcome to ever play NCAA sports again.


Yeah, fuck those kids on the tennis team!

Maybe we could just pull everybody's degree back. Maybe chisel "Went to Pedo State" on LT Murphy's grave.



 Sucks for them that they chose a shitty school.



Yeah, it's a real shitty school. Where the students themselves raise millions every year for cancer research.

How many MOH recipients have come out of your alma mater lately?


Just when I think I've seen the limit to WTF ? Now you are condemning the entire school, and all the kids who play in all the different sports programs at that university? You have got to be fucking kidding me. What the fuck is your problem?


If you're referring to me, I'm making sarcastic comments half the time.
11/10/2011 11:28:28 AM EDT
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One big tragedy outside of the actual victims is the fact that this is hung on PSU, a university with hundreds of thousands of proud grads and millions of fans; all by a few complicit individuals.


Before anyone piles onto Penn State (in its entirety) they should ask themselves, given the identical situation, at how many other institutions would this have played out more or less the same.

Football is big bidnez.


Possibly correct but a lesson needs to be taught here.


 I'd be perfectly fine with giving PSU the death penalty and by that I mean making them unwelcome to ever play NCAA sports again.


Yeah, fuck those kids on the tennis team!

Maybe we could just pull everybody's degree back. Maybe chisel "Went to Pedo State" on LT Murphy's grave.



 Sucks for them that they chose a shitty school.



Yeah, it's a real shitty school. Where the students themselves raise millions every year for cancer research.

How many MOH recipients have come out of your alma mater lately?


Just when I think I've seen the limit to WTF ? Now you are condemning the entire school, and all the kids who play in all the different sports programs at that university? You have got to be fucking kidding me. What the fuck is your problem?


If you're referring to me, I'm making sarcastic comments half the time.


Sorry, that was towards outofbattery, I was having major editing issues
11/10/2011 1:11:44 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
Nobody is more angry at Paterno than at Sandusky.

Order of disdain:

Sandusky
McQueary (eyewitness)
McQueary's father (first person to speak to eyewitness about the rape)
Paterno (second person to hear about the rape)
Curley (third person to hear about the rape)

I'm leaving out McQueary's wife (if he had one) and mother (assuming his dad told his wife about it) and Sue Paterno (if Joe even mentioned it to her).

Sandusky = perpetrator of atrocities
McQueary = eyewitness to atrocities that failed to do anything about them
McQueary's father = person who failed to advise the eyewitness to call the police
Paterno = should have fired McQueary and called the police himself when he realized that McQueary had not done so already
Curley = should have fired both Paterno and McQueary for failing to call the police when he realized that they had not already

Paterno's sin of omission is great enough to justify serious outrage, but nobody thinks he's as bad as the actual child rapist.


You are talking only about the 2002 incident.

If people think that a 50 year old man (Sandusky's age in 1994) suddenly decided to start brutalizing young boys, then they are deranged.

Sandusky was recruited to play for the Lions by JoePa. He lived in SC as a Grad Assistant, driving south down 26 to coach @ Juniata.

JoePa brought him back to help coach the defense and then in the 70's assisted him (along with Sue) in setting up The Second Mile.

Every who was around the PSU football program from 1963 through 1998 saw this man and knew that there was something "different".

People who bleed PSU Blue better pray that the Commonwealth does not bring out the Long Knives. I do not think it will end at 9 boys.
11/10/2011 1:19:07 PM EDT
[#44]





Quoted:





Quoted:


Nobody is more angry at Paterno than at Sandusky.





Order of disdain:





Sandusky


McQueary (eyewitness)


McQueary's father (first person to speak to eyewitness about the rape)


Paterno (second person to hear about the rape)


Curley (third person to hear about the rape)





I'm leaving out McQueary's wife (if he had one) and mother (assuming his dad told his wife about it) and Sue Paterno (if Joe even mentioned it to her).





Sandusky = perpetrator of atrocities


McQueary = eyewitness to atrocities that failed to do anything about them


McQueary's father = person who failed to advise the eyewitness to call the police


Paterno = should have fired McQueary and called the police himself when he realized that McQueary had not done so already


Curley = should have fired both Paterno and McQueary for failing to call the police when he realized that they had not already





Paterno's sin of omission is great enough to justify serious outrage, but nobody thinks he's as bad as the actual child rapist.






You are talking only about the 2002 incident.





If people think that a 50 year old man (Sandusky's age in 1994) suddenly decided to start brutalizing young boys, then they are deranged.





Sandusky was recruited to play for the Lions by JoePa. He lived in SC as a Grad Assistant, driving south down 26 to coach @ Juniata.





JoePa brought him back to help coach the defense and then in the 70's assisted him (along with Sue) in setting up The Second Mile.





Every who was around the PSU football program from 1963 through 1998 saw this man and knew that there was something "different".





People who bleed PSU Blue better pray that the Commonwealth does not bring out the Long Knives. I do not think it will end at 9 boys.



Even given Sandusky's entire life as a child molester, nobody is more guilty than the perpetrator himself.





Child molesters are often not considered "different".  More often than not, when a child molester is discovered and outed the majority of family members, friends, acquaintances, co-workers and neighbors are shocked by the allegations.





"He was such a nice man, and a great little league coach."





It's very rare that a child molester is discovered and outed that the entire community says "I knew there was something wrong with that weirdo."





These people dedicate their lives to deceiving the world.





Of course, that doesn't mitigate the guilt of anyone that did know, or even suspected, what kind of monster Sandusky really was.





It appears as though there were well documented allegations as early as 1994, and I'd be surprised if there weren't others earlier than that.





Paterno was the person most likely to hear these rumors and allegations, and he failed miserably with his response.





 
11/10/2011 1:28:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
People who bleed PSU Blue better pray that the Commonwealth does not bring out the Long Knives. I do not think it will end at 9 boys.


+1
11/10/2011 1:28:38 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
Paterno was the person most likely to hear these rumors and allegations, and he failed miserably with his response.


QFT
11/10/2011 1:54:18 PM EDT
[#47]

   Burn them all down.

   McQueary is just as guilty as the others. He stayed quiet for a position on the team. Why else would he stay quiet?

   You never throw children under the bus like that.



11/10/2011 2:13:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Anybody who knows of a child being abused and does not personally peruse the facilitation of justice deserves the same as the abuser.  You don't pass the buck on this.  Fuck football, fuck money, fuck your allegiance or fuck you.
11/10/2011 2:24:51 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
Anybody who knows of a child being abused and does not personally peruse the facilitation of justice deserves the same as the abuser.  You don't pass the buck on this.  Fuck football, fuck money, fuck your allegiance or fuck you.


+1

I could give a shit about someones 60+ year career.  I do beleive your legacy is utterly destroyed when it shows you did nothing to stop the rape of little boys.  May your "legacy" reflect that you were an accomplice in the rape of little boys.  Happy retirement.
11/10/2011 2:25:12 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:

   Burn them all down.

   McQueary is just as guilty as the others. He stayed quiet for a position on the team. Why else would he stay quiet?

   You never throw children under the bus like that.





I cannot fathom why he is still there.