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Posted: 8/29/2004 6:38:59 AM EST
What is "standard policy" for drawing your weapon on some one? Surely policys differ from dept. to dept., but the question is not asked idly. This happened to me a couple weeks ago after I failed to stop for a couple bike cops. Unbeknownst to me, I had a headlight out on my vehicle. So when I get home, these guys are waiting for me with guns drawn.
Is this typical? Is it just me, or does this seem a little extreme? Yes, they had a legitimate beef with me, paid my ticket et al, but having a pistol pointed at me in front of my own house, when I have made no overt (or covert) threat, kinda rubs me the wrong way.


Discuss.

The next thread might be for our resident attorneys.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:46:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 6:51:20 AM EST by shotar]
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:49:14 AM EST
Why did you fail to stop? Maybe i'm missing something. They flipped the blues on you and you didn't pull over? They terminated it and just went to your house later? I think there are some details missing.

J
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:50:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
I failed to stop for a couple bike cops.



There's your problem right there.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:00:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
I failed to stop for a couple bike cops.



There's your problem right there.




Yes, and apparently this pisses them off mightily. Hoowever, even in the Peoples Republic of Illinois,
Random stops without cause are not allowed, unless an annouced "safety inspection" is being conducted. Had I known my vehicle was not up to spec, I would have stopped. The reaction just seems a little extreme, but then again, I have never been on the other side of the badge.

FWIW Shotar, the Glock was pointed at my head.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:04:12 AM EST
Well, first off, it was not a random stop. Next, here are no written guidelines for drawing your weapon, it's really left up to the officer on the spot. Something is missing from your story. Did you run from the police and they came to your house thru the info on your license plate?

By "bike cops" do you mean motorcycle or regular bicycle?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:04:14 AM EST

Yes, and apparently this pisses them off mightily. Hoowever, even in the Peoples Republic of Illinois,
Random stops without cause are not allowed, unless an annouced "safety inspection" is being conducted. Had I known my vehicle was not up to spec, I would have stopped. The reaction just seems a little extreme, but then again, I have never been on the other side of the badge.



Am I correct in understanding that youknew the police were attempting to stop you, but you believed that you had committed no violation, ergo you did not have to stop?

The quote above makes it seem this is the case, please provide more details.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:08:13 AM EST
If I could find it, I'd post a link to that video of a cop accidentally firing a round next to the head of a guy who's on the ground being cuffed.

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:09:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
I failed to stop for a couple bike cops.



This is what is known as a "Clue".

Jay

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:22:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
I failed to stop for a couple bike cops.



There's your problem right there.




Yes, and apparently this pisses them off mightily. Hoowever, even in the Peoples Republic of Illinois,
Random stops without cause are not allowed, unless an annouced "safety inspection" is being conducted. Had I known my vehicle was not up to spec, I would have stopped. The reaction just seems a little extreme, but then again, I have never been on the other side of the badge.

FWIW Shotar, the Glock was pointed at my head.



Your reasoning is about as stupid as sierra hombre. You didn't stop because you didn't know anything was wrong therefore you felt like there was no reason to stop? Is your name Darwin by chance?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:24:24 AM EST
Did they follow you home, or just were waiting?


WTF wouldn't you stop? Hello, not the best way to handle things.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:29:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:34:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 8:37:15 AM EST by TENN]
Respectfully, you are stupid. If you run from the police or even fail to stop when they stop you, then you DESERVE to get a gun shoved very firmly to your head because you are dumber than a box of hair. It's just one of those things that you just don't do. You're lucky they didn't beat you into a retarded lump of goo. Which you would have deserved. Sounds like you got what you asked for.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:22:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By TENN:
Respectfully, you are stupid. If you run from the police or even fail to stop when they stop you, then you DESERVE to get a gun shoved very firmly to your head because you are dumber than a box of hair. It's just one of those things that you just don't do. You're lucky they didn't beat you into a retarded lump of goo. Which you would have deserved. Sounds like you got what you asked for.



Dido
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:34:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:42:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
I failed to stop for a couple bike cops.



There's your problem right there.




Yes, and apparently this pisses them off mightily. Hoowever, even in the Peoples Republic of Illinois,
Random stops without cause are not allowed, unless an annouced "safety inspection" is being conducted. Had I known my vehicle was not up to spec, I would have stopped. The reaction just seems a little extreme, but then again, I have never been on the other side of the badge.

FWIW Shotar, the Glock was pointed at my head.


you win the "Dumb arfcommer of the week award!" Congrats!
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:55:11 PM EST
Did you give them the classic line, "Officer, is there a problem?"

Here in NJ, knowingly failing to stop for a LE officer is called "ELUDING" which is a second degree crime (mucho jail time). LE officers are allowed to point a firearm at someone as an element of "CONSTRUCTIVE AUTHORITY" even if it's not a deadly force situation. I'm surprised you didn't get to wear bracelets for this....
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:04:53 PM EST
Funny part is if you had stopped for bike offiicers more then likely you would have found they were simply going to point out your inoperative headlight for YOUR safety and others. Why can't people understand that officers are out there to HELP!

Hunter out...
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:24:43 PM EST

I failed to stop for a couple bike cops. Unbeknownst to me, I had a headlight out on my vehicle. So when I get home, these guys are waiting for me with guns drawn.



Whatta maroon.... next time, do the cops a favor, leave your wallet under the seat and grab for it as you are failing to stop... then jump out of the car and quickly hand it to the closest cop who has his gun drawn..... they like it when you do that.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:58:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By gt6plus:

I failed to stop for a couple bike cops. Unbeknownst to me, I had a headlight out on my vehicle. So when I get home, these guys are waiting for me with guns drawn.



Whatta maroon.... next time, do the cops a favor, leave your wallet under the seat and grab for it as you are failing to stop... then jump out of the car and quickly hand it to the closest cop who has his gun drawn..... they like it when you do that.




Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:59:50 PM EST
I once knew a cop that had his gun out at every traffic stop. I guess getting shot durring one would do that to ya.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:02:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
I failed to stop for a couple bike cops.



There's your problem right there.




Yes, and apparently this pisses them off mightily. Hoowever, even in the Peoples Republic of Illinois,
Random stops without cause are not allowed, unless an annouced "safety inspection" is being conducted. Had I known my vehicle was not up to spec, I would have stopped. The reaction just seems a little extreme, but then again, I have never been on the other side of the badge.

FWIW Shotar, the Glock was pointed at my head.




you are kidding right please tell me you are
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:03:06 PM EST
Good Lord...
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 11:11:36 AM EST
I'm still unclear on the exact circumstances of this incident. Please elaborate.

If you did not stop, please explain why you think the police were not justified in ratcheting up their response to your actions, i.e. introducing you to Mr. Glock's creation.

I fail to see where you have a legal course of action, but I've been sued for less and with less merit before; so do what you gotts to do! There's always some down on his luck ambulance chaser willing to take such cases.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:37:36 PM EST
Yea Im also tagging this for a response because if it you did , what it seems like you did, you would not only have a gun on you , but you would be put on the ground, cuffed, and taken to jail.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 1:09:31 PM EST
So, did this occur at one of those "safety inspection" stops or not? I don't like them at all and they are blatently unconstitutional, though some courts have suprisingly still allowed them as long as they are publicly announced. Their main mission was originally to get drunk drivers off the road, but they have become more than that if they ask you to display id and don't just chat it up with you for a minute. If the police wanted to get a lot of drunk drivers off the road, they would sit outside the bars, but then that wouldn't go over too good in much of the community.

You made a mistake by not stopping though, unless you had reason to run

BTW, just which police force in IL was this?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 1:22:37 PM EST
I've seen that video of the female cop that had the ND right nest to the guy's head. I'll bet his ears rang for months.

I have a hard time believing she's been paying attention to firearms handling because she had a Beretta and in DA mode it isn't REAL easy to fire the gun (mine came from the factory with an 11# DA pull) so she must have had the hammer cocked-then it's only 5#.

I've had TWO instances of LEOs approaching my vehicle with guns drawn. Both times I was wearing camoflage-on my way to hunt-and both times were after LEOs had been shot by "militia types" wearing camo.

SO, I guess they had cause to be a little twitchy. I hade DAMN SURE I didn't give them any reasons to get twitchier.
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