Posted: 5/18/2010 8:26:03 PM EDT
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How much of your job consists of dealing with those that got what was coming to them?
Like the guy that runs his mouth and calls someone's SO a tramp and gets smacked for it and then demands justice. Or the guy that gets beat up for trying to steal something and then goes blubbering to the police that he got beat up. In this day and age, I'd bet a lot. |
| I have a friend who quit the force for this reason: joined to help people and do good, ended up in the bad part of town responding to bad people doing bad things to other bad people...most of whom would not press charges...and a lot of domestic violence where the entire apartment complex would turn out to heckle and sometimes assault the responding officers. |
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I have a friend who quit the force for this reason: joined to help people and do good, ended up in the bad part of town responding to bad people doing bad things to other bad people...most of whom would not press charges...and a lot of domestic violence where the entire apartment complex would turn out to heckle and sometimes assault the responding officers. its not a job for everyone. |
| Yeah, large part of the job. I seem to be a shit magnet lately for a particular county drunk. This lady is in her 60s and picks up other drunk losers at the soup kitchen in town, invites them back to her trailer, they get bombed out of their minds and then they steal her blind. She calls two, sometimes three times a week, and I usually get the calls. One week I spoke to her twice about the same crime. The second time, she'd completely forgotten she'd spoken to me the previous day and wanted to report her mother's ring was stolen. When I told her she'd spoken to me about this the day before, she replied, "I did?" |
I left a big city midwestern PD to go Federal, because the constant, never-ending stream of shitbags than made-up 99.5% of my encounters. I was bored to tears in FedLE and stunned by the ineptitude of the agency I was with, and still got to deal almost exclusively with complete shitbags, in addition to having almost zero support from said agency in any kind of use of force incident. I went overseas to contract for a couple of years, loved every minute of it, but the wife had a mini-freakout after I was hurt, so I came home. Now I work for a large, southwestern PD and deal with shitbags 99.5% of the time again.
Counting my time for uncle sugar, I'm pushing almost 25 years in one kind of uniform or the other, and it has left me with the express opinion that a majority of people are douches. |
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How much of your job consists of dealing with those that got what was coming to them? Like the guy that runs his mouth and calls someone's SO a tramp and gets smacked for it and then demands justice. Or the guy that gets beat up for trying to steal something and then goes blubbering to the police that he got beat up. In this day and age, I'd bet a lot. Calling someone's significant other a tramp is NOT grounds to use physical force. As for karma..............what goes around usually comes around. |
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Calling someone's significant other a tramp is NOT grounds to use physical force. As for karma..............what goes around usually comes around. Yes, I think that everyone here understands that. HOWEVER, these morons know that calling the SO a name is going to start a fight....and most are too dumb to pick fights appropriately. Therefore they get their asses beat. Then they call us. I think that's the point he was trying to make....they aren't truly victims in the purest sense of the word. Some might even call them instigators. |
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We all get what's coming to us eventually. Cops just get to witness it on an hourly basis. When it happens, it's just so full of win. Then there are days that just suck and you know full well that some poor soul didn't deserve what life handed them. Ever seen a kid beaten to death? Or a pillar of the community torn to bits in a traffic accident? You have to be a little hard some times. The real trick for a Cop is not being the one who decides what's fair or who deserves what. |
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How much of your job consists of dealing with those that got what was coming to them? Like the guy that runs his mouth and calls someone's SO a tramp and gets smacked for it and then demands justice. Or the guy that gets beat up for trying to steal something and then goes blubbering to the police that he got beat up. In this day and age, I'd bet a lot. Calling someone's significant other a tramp is NOT grounds to use physical force. As for karma..............what goes around usually comes around. I beg to differ..That is one of the faults of our country these days. no consequences to stupid actions. I dont believe in karma, so call my wife a inappropriate name, and expect to get an ass beating.. |
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How much of your job consists of dealing with those that got what was coming to them? Like the guy that runs his mouth and calls someone's SO a tramp and gets smacked for it and then demands justice. Or the guy that gets beat up for trying to steal something and then goes blubbering to the police that he got beat up. In this day and age, I'd bet a lot. From reading your blog I would say this is about the guy who got "assualted" with the hamburger? 
Not an LEO so can't answer your question, but I do enjoy reading your blog. |
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[I beg to differ..That is one of the faults of our country these days. no consequences to stupid actions. I dont believe in karma, so call my wife a inappropriate name, and expect to get an ass beating.. Calling names isn't worth beating each other up over. |
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[I beg to differ..That is one of the faults of our country these days. no consequences to stupid actions. I dont believe in karma, so call my wife a inappropriate name, and expect to get an ass beating.. Calling names isn't worth beating each other up over. Call me a bad name, i'll laugh at ya and walk away..Dont disrespect my family tho. If some of yall think its fine that i call your wife a dirty cunt, and you want to walk away. Good for you. Do it to my wife and catch a boot to the nuts. |
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[I beg to differ..That is one of the faults of our country these days. no consequences to stupid actions. I dont believe in karma, so call my wife a inappropriate name, and expect to get an ass beating.. Calling names isn't worth beating each other up over. Call me a bad name, i'll laugh at ya and walk away..Dont disrespect my family tho. If some of yall think its fine that i call your wife a dirty cunt, and you want to walk away. Good for you. Do it to my wife and catch a boot to the nuts. I guess that you wont be bothered with being arrested, then, unless NCs use of force laws are radically different than NYs |
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How many incidents include the use of drugs or alcohol? Almost all. Thats why there is a push on in some circles to use treatment rather than punishment/ incarceration for criminal activity. This is sad. Treatment has a very low success rate. Yes, and very expensive, but we have some liberal politicians who ignore the high cost of treatment and will spend any amount of money to keep people out of jail and prison. A 30 day program in some rehab somewhere runs 30K, and we see people walking away from those or graduating but not learning anything, or going through multiple programs many times. The local ATI program has been running for years and they are just now getting around to trying to define what "success" is for participants. Last I heard, their definition of a successful graduate was someone who wasn't reincarcerated for a year. Given the costs, I think sucess should be defined as a lifelong non-criminal lifestyle. |
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[I beg to differ..That is one of the faults of our country these days. no consequences to stupid actions. I dont believe in karma, so call my wife a inappropriate name, and expect to get an ass beating.. Calling names isn't worth beating each other up over. Call me a bad name, i'll laugh at ya and walk away..Dont disrespect my family tho. If some of yall think its fine that i call your wife a dirty cunt, and you want to walk away. Good for you. Do it to my wife and catch a boot to the nuts. I guess that you wont be bothered with being arrested, then, unless NCs use of force laws are radically different than NYs Happened before...Charged but never convicted. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How many incidents include the use of drugs or alcohol? Almost all. Thats why there is a push on in some circles to use treatment rather than punishment/ incarceration for criminal activity. This is sad. Treatment has a very low success rate. Yes, and very expensive, but we have some liberal politicians who ignore the high cost of treatment and will spend any amount of money to keep people out of jail and prison. A 30 day program in some rehab somewhere runs 30K, and we see people walking away from those or graduating but not learning anything, or going through multiple programs many times. The local ATI program has been running for years and they are just now getting around to trying to define what "success" is for participants. Last I heard, their definition of a successful graduate was someone who wasn't reincarcerated for a year. Given the costs, I think sucess should be defined as a lifelong non-criminal lifestyle. It's not expensive to them, they aren't paying for it. On the flip side of that, I know people who have paid for it (upwards of $20K) and it still didn't help. |
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How many incidents include the use of drugs or alcohol? Almost all. Thats why there is a push on in some circles to use treatment rather than punishment/ incarceration for criminal activity. This is sad. Treatment has a very low success rate. Yes, and very expensive, but we have some liberal politicians who ignore the high cost of treatment and will spend any amount of money to keep people out of jail and prison. A 30 day program in some rehab somewhere runs 30K, and we see people walking away from those or graduating but not learning anything, or going through multiple programs many times. The local ATI program has been running for years and they are just now getting around to trying to define what "success" is for participants. Last I heard, their definition of a successful graduate was someone who wasn't reincarcerated for a year. Given the costs, I think sucess should be defined as a lifelong non-criminal lifestyle. It's not expensive to them, they aren't paying for it. On the flip side of that, I know people who have paid for it (upwards of $20K) and it still didn't help. Far too many defendants sentenced to "treatment" programs don't want to be treated. They want to keep out of prison. So they say all the right things & try to get into a program. And when they get out they head right back to the same neighborhood with all their tweeker friends and no job. Guess what happens? They do meth/crack/pot/whatever all over again. Until they get caught. At which point "they have truly learned their lesson and they have a baby on the way and 2 other kids to support and a job waiting for them and they need to get out and family support and pleeeaaassseee don't send me to prison." Lather, rinse and repeat. |
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Quoted: It's not expensive to them, they aren't paying for it. On the flip side of that, I know people who have paid for it (upwards of $20K) and it still didn't help. Far too many defendants sentenced to "treatment" programs don't want to be treated. They want to keep out of prison. So they say all the right things & try to get into a program. And when they get out they head right back to the same neighborhood with all their tweeker friends and no job. Guess what happens? They do meth/crack/pot/whatever all over again. Until they get caught. At which point "they have truly learned their lesson and they have a baby on the way and 2 other kids to support and a job waiting for them and they need to get out and family support and pleeeaaassseee don't send me to prison." Lather, rinse and repeat. 14. |
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I can tell you from my experience, it doesn't matter who STARTED the fight, the LOSER calls 911 and demands the other person get arrested for assault, even if the caller is the one who started the fight...
people also call 911 when their prostitute rips them off and expect us to do something (I tell them I will investigate the call but it will require me arresting them for solicitation lol) |
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I can tell you from my experience, it doesn't matter who STARTED the fight, the LOSER calls 911 and demands the other person get arrested for assault, even if the caller is the one who started the fight... people also call 911 when their prostitute rips them off and expect us to do something (I tell them I will investigate the call but it will require me arresting them for solicitation lol) Callers are sometimes shocked to find out that they aren't automatically the "victim" |
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What I do, I only encounter people who:
Know what they did is against US law. Act like they didn't know. Are shocked at the results. They all had it coming to them. First: "Really, you are going to seize my dad's car? WHY?! OMG!! " "Because you hid 1,000 pils of ecstasy in the door panel and you dismantled the window motor to do so. By law, we must seize the vehicle. Your daddy will be able to petition to get it back." Then: "Who is ICE and why are they coming??" 
Rookie narco runners..... Use that same scenario with people in the trunk, undeclared/ failure to export firearms, massive amounts of booze, any dope amount, money, false documents, etc....everyone acts like they didn't do nuffin'...with the exception of the professionals. The professionals, they don't need explanations. |
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Just out of curiousity, are they pretty buisiness-like and stoic about it?
I knew a guy who was part of BORTAC (The Border Patrol Tactical Unit, kind of like their SWAT) and he told me you could always tell if you were dealing with a professional smuggler or not. The Pro's would just sit down and cooperate, while the newbies or inexperienced would try to run. |
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I can tell you from my experience, it doesn't matter who STARTED the fight, the LOSER calls 911 and demands the other person get arrested for assault, even if the caller is the one who started the fight... people also call 911 when their prostitute rips them off and expect us to do something (I tell them I will investigate the call but it will require me arresting them for solicitation lol) This is what I was interested in knowing. The other day I saw some jerk start something and some kid threw a cheeseburger at the jerk. (It should have been a brick.) I was about 6 feet away from the so-called victim of this deadly assault with a deadly cheeseburger and the offended party looked to me for sympathy, asking me about his rights. I conversationally told him that one of his rights was to remain silent, and if he had envoked that right a minute or two before,, he wouldn't be standing there with an earful of special sauce and pickles and lettuce in his hair. Then I left before the cop got there. I waited outside and when I saw the cop, I told him what really went on, making it clear the caller started the whole thing. He grinned and told me that a lot of his business was dealing with people that brought something on to themselves. I asked, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?" He nodded with a smile. |
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