[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Question about Terminator II (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 4/25/2012 4:10:57 AM EDT
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I just watched this film, and it appears that Skynet's initial progress towards man-killing artificial intelligence was the acquisition of Arnold's motherboard from Terminator I.
If that's the case, how did skynet rise to domination before Terminator 1, when Arnold's chip was not available, as he had not traveled back in time yet? It's as though terminators had to exist and go back in time in order for terminators to exist. WTF |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the plausibility of the story. Those are A+++++++ movies. Arnold's acting in T2 was worthy of an Oscar. "I know now why you cry, but it's something I could never do"..... 
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. He nailed it, OP. |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the plausibility of the story. Those are A+++++++ movies. Arnold's acting in T2 was worthy of an Oscar. "I know now why you cry, but it's something I could never do"..... Yeah, I mean, Terminator 2 is one of my all time favorite movies. It's good story telling, it's just that there are some pretty big holes in the overall story of how Skynet and Terminators come into existence. Word. |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. He nailed it, OP. I agree 100% /thread |
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The Terminators exist in many possible worlds. The world in T2 is not the same as the world in T1. The time travel changed which world you're watching. Grandfather Paradoxes can be resolved only with the creation of a new world. They started to get into this in the TV series, but sadly it was cancelled. |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. He nailed it, OP. I agree 100% /thread That's how I've always looked at it as well. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. See I understand that what they did in the movie prolonged the inevitable. But still, the paradox about John Conner sending his dad back in time to protect his mother, who eventually gives birth to John Conner who couldn't possibly exist without time travel just seems really hard to believe. For John Conner to exist he would have HAD to have a different father from Sarah Conner's time, at some point. So that throws a wrench into the works, IMO. |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. See I understand that what they did in the movie prolonged the inevitable. But still, the paradox about John Conner sending his dad back in time to protect his mother, who eventually gives birth to John Conner who couldn't possibly exist without time travel just seems really hard to believe. For John Conner to exist he would have HAD to have a different father from Sarah Conner's time, at some point. So that throws a wrench into the works, IMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. See I understand that what they did in the movie prolonged the inevitable. But still, the paradox about John Conner sending his dad back in time to protect his mother, who eventually gives birth to John Conner who couldn't possibly exist without time travel just seems really hard to believe. For John Conner to exist he would have HAD to have a different father from Sarah Conner's time, at some point. So that throws a wrench into the works, IMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation The movies don't discuss anything about paradoxes. So we can assume there is no alternate universes in the Terminator movies. |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. See I understand that what they did in the movie prolonged the inevitable. But still, the paradox about John Conner sending his dad back in time to protect his mother, who eventually gives birth to John Conner who couldn't possibly exist without time travel just seems really hard to believe. For John Conner to exist he would have HAD to have a different father from Sarah Conner's time, at some point. So that throws a wrench into the works, IMO. - I can't really explain that...
I think the idea behind time travel is, that due to alternate universes and realities and shit, that everything is always happening all the time. I'm willing to look past it for the entertainment value, though. 
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. See I understand that what they did in the movie prolonged the inevitable. But still, the paradox about John Conner sending his dad back in time to protect his mother, who eventually gives birth to John Conner who couldn't possibly exist without time travel just seems really hard to believe. For John Conner to exist he would have HAD to have a different father from Sarah Conner's time, at some point. So that throws a wrench into the works, IMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation The movies don't discuss anything about paradoxes. So we can assume there is no alternate universes in the Terminator movies. Aren't we discussing plot holes and how to explain them?
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the story. the 4th one screamed B movie. Especially with the high command on the submarine retardation. OP - the guys working at cyberdyne (sp?) would have eventually figured out the technology for themselves, but when Arnold the first was sent back it significantly sped up their R&D. In the end of the third movie john conner narrates and says something to the effect of "we never stopped judgement day, we only prolonged it" he's referring to them destroying Arnold's chip that was in cyberdyne's possession. Judgement day was supposed to happen in 1997 and then it got pushed back to 2003 after they destroyed the chip in the second movie. Disclaimer: I'm not a terminator nerd, but I had to put all this together a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me either, at first. See I understand that what they did in the movie prolonged the inevitable. But still, the paradox about John Conner sending his dad back in time to protect his mother, who eventually gives birth to John Conner who couldn't possibly exist without time travel just seems really hard to believe. For John Conner to exist he would have HAD to have a different father from Sarah Conner's time, at some point. So that throws a wrench into the works, IMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation The movies don't discuss anything about paradoxes. So we can assume there is no alternate universes in the Terminator movies. Aren't we discussing plot holes and how to explain them? Doc Brown taught me all that I need to know about alternate timelines. 
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the plausibility of the story. The sequels are high budget B-movies. 
IIRC, the budget of the first one was around $6million. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Fun to watch either way. http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa342/Steven83815/sarahconnor45.jpg Back in the day, I always thought she was pretty hot. vmax84 |
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The Terminator movies are high budget B movies. They are fun to watch but they didn't put a whole lot of thought into the plausibility of the story. Those are A+++++++ movies. Arnold's acting in T2 was worthy of an Oscar. "I know now why you cry, but it's something I could never do"..... Yeah, I mean, Terminator 2 is one of my all time favorite movies. It's good story telling, it's just that there are some pretty big holes in the overall story of how Skynet and Terminators come into existence. Yeah, well, I thought about that for a second.......OOOOOOOHHHHHH LOOKKK A F**CKING MINIGUN!!!!!!! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Fun to watch either way. http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa342/Steven83815/sarahconnor45.jpg Back in the day, I always thought she was pretty hot. vmax84 She was, but she did not age well. |
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I just watched this film, and it appears that Skynet's initial progress towards man-killing artificial intelligence was the acquisition of Arnold's motherboard from Terminator I. If that's the case, how did skynet rise to domination before Terminator 1, when Arnold's chip was not available, as he had not traveled back in time yet? It's as though terminators had to exist and go back in time in order for terminators to exist. WTF Circular argument. It's a movie..............not reality. Another way of looking at it is this: they didn't understand what was going on, so they figured that destruction of said chip would end the problem. In the end, skynet was developed slowly............just so happened that it would have been developed either way........ I think it was a way of letting the destiny people and the make your own destiny people coexist in the same theater than it was trying to be good science. |
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Fun to watch either way. http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa342/Steven83815/sarahconnor45.jpg Back in the day, I always thought she was pretty hot. vmax84 She was, but she did not age well. Excellent example of what smoking does to a woman. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fun to watch either way. http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa342/Steven83815/sarahconnor45.jpg Back in the day, I always thought she was pretty hot. vmax84 She was, but she did not age well. Excellent example of what smoking does to a woman. Graphic warning  Well fudge it's not letting me put it in a spoiler. |
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Fun to watch either way. http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa342/Steven83815/sarahconnor45.jpg Back in the day, I always thought she was pretty hot. vmax84 She was, but she did not age well. Excellent example of what smoking does to a woman.
Graphic warning Well fudge it's not letting me put it in a spoiler. Linda Hamilton Has Bipolar Disorder - Actress Star of Terminator bipolar.about.com/cs/celebs/a/lindahamilton.htm Jun 18, 2006 · Linda Hamilton - star of 'Terminator' and 'Beauty and the Beast' - has acknowledged that she suffers from bipolar disorder and is now on medication to … Just saying.. |
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I would watch this if it was real
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At first I thought the film series was setting up to argue the Novikov self-consistency principle (i.e., what has happened has happened––ala Bill and Ted), but then they blow that concept up at the end of the film.
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The third movie answers this. It is found that the machines taking over was not a chance tidbit of technology, it was simply inevitable. Finding the chip just spead the process up a few months. I thought this was interesting since the first two movies gave hope and the third one was more realistic.
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James Cameron when confronted with T2 timeline paradox........... Inside Cameron's mind: POSSIBLE RESPONSE, - YES/NO - OR WHAT? - GO AWAY - F*CK YOU, ASSHOLE - F*CK YOU Cameraon's response, "F*ck you asshole." Nice  Does he see his thoughts in primitive computer screens?
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