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Posted: 4/20/2017 3:15:51 PM EDT
Construction delays, weapon integration failures, issues with the engines, cost over runs, building them with partners, needing to make it an air defense AND ground attack platform, nothing but problems with building this damn thing. Non stop issues with advanced tech fighter
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:20:01 PM EDT
OP user name appropriate with date of article and topic.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:22:46 PM EDT
Nobody will buy that turkey unless it has two engines!
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:23:59 PM EDT
Nicely done OP.  Nicely done.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:25:25 PM EDT
"Additional sales are expected to Iran"

I just got some bad news from the sales department Bob...
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:26:13 PM EDT
Just what we need, an Air Force PAO officer spreading fake news.

Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:27:56 PM EDT
I remember all the hair tearing about what eventually became the most successful fighter plane we ever built. Funny thing but in my 4 years I never even saw one, or the F15, even tho they were coming out to the field. The only American fighter I ever saw was the F4 Phantom, tho I did see foreign fighters.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:36:48 PM EDT
Fabrique National in Belgium will assemble Pratt & Whitney F100 engines for the European fighters.
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Interesting
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They were going to buy about 150 of them to replace their F-5 fleet


Of course they were also going to have twice as many Tomcats.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:49:46 PM EDT
The F-16's Full Scale Development program was pretty well run because the guys in charge at GD had learned what not to do because of the screw-ups made during the F-111 program 15 years earlier.
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The engine is unreliable, the wires chafe, the horizontal stab is too small, and it won't even be enabled to fire BVR missiles for another 12 years. 
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:31:33 PM EDT
Total POS plane, it is much too simple, in fact so fucking simple that a High School kid can get a bit of flight simulator time, then fly a real F-16  over to El Shitholeistan to rescue his father.
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I bet we're gonna end up with hundreds of the early versions in the boneyard with low hours, while a few hundred more crash within the first decade of it going operational.
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I c wut u did thare
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:39:49 PM EDT
mark my words they will never get the vtol variant off the ground.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:41:24 PM EDT
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I've seen it happen.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:42:58 PM EDT
Even John C. Garand had his set backs.

Aloha, Mark
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Nailed it ... from 1977!
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Just like the F-14/F-15/F-16/F-18/F-22 ... before whatever this model is.

Shocking if you don't know the history of the dozen or so aircraft going back the 50-years before this one huh?
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Nailed it ... from 1977!
LOL wrong account? 
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I've seen it happen.
Unfortunately, so have I.
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Total POS plane, it is much too simple, in fact so fucking simple that a High School kid can get a bit of flight simulator time, then fly a real F-16  over to El Shitholeistan to rescue his father.
I've seen it happen.
Oh, you seen that documentary also?
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:56:15 PM EDT
What we need is more planes for the wars we actually fight. Use ICBMs to keep the big players in check, and LAARs to support the real warriors.
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Just like the F-14/F-15/F-16/F-18/F-22 ... before whatever this model is.

Shocking if you don't know the history of the dozen or so aircraft going back the 50-years before this one huh?
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Nailed it ... from 1977!
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They were going to buy about 150 of them to replace their F-5 fleet
http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/artwork/album74/aao.jpg?m=1371895501

Of course they were also going to have twice as many Tomcats.
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And some spare parts.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:11:41 PM EDT
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I was hoping he was being sarcastic.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:52:37 PM EDT
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I remember all the hair tearing about what eventually became the most successful fighter plane we ever built. Funny thing but in my 4 years I never even saw one, or the F15, even tho they were coming out to the field. The only American fighter I ever saw was the F4 Phantom, tho I did see foreign fighters.
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I saw F15's in 1977.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:56:32 PM EDT
By the time the F16 program was this old, there were about 2000 jets flying and ready in multiple military services throughout the world.

Are you implying that there can be no standards?  No amount of time and missed goals that could be construed as a failure specific to the F35?

Anyhow, the Pentagon seems to think it might be unacceptably problematic.

http://gizmodo.com/the-f-35-amazingly-has-even-more-problems-than-we-thoug-1791285476

Significant, well-documented deficiencies; for hundreds of these, the program has no plan to adequately fix and verify with flight test within SDD; although it is common for programs to have unresolved deficiencies after development, the program must assess and mitigate the cumulative effects of these remaining deficiencies on F-35 effectiveness and suitability prior to finalizing and fielding Block 3F.
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I don't think you read the article.

OP, clever as hell
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 7:19:52 PM EDT
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The engine is unreliable, the wires chafe, the horizontal stab is too small, and it won't even be enabled to fire BVR missiles for another 12 years. 
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Yeah, and it's VSTOL was so fucked up, they decided to cancel that version of it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 7:30:06 PM EDT
Did not the early F16's earn the nick name "lawn dart" because of wire chafing?
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I don't think you read the article.

OP, clever as hell
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mark my words they will never get the vtol variant off the ground.
I don't think you read the article.

OP, clever as hell
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