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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:30:45 PM EDT
Is it more lethal to get stuck with something like an ice pick, or getting gashed with an edge?
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:35:15 PM EDT
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It depends. All else being equal I’d think being stuck, especially in the abdomen, chest, back, or sides, has a greater likelihood to produce a fatality.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:35:24 PM EDT
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I would worry more about aids if I survived.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:37:36 PM EDT
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Infection is a big deal.
Better chance to clean a laceration than a stab wound |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:40:57 PM EDT
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Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous.
What do you fear more.....pain or death? |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:42:37 PM EDT
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Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous. What do you fear more.....pain or death? |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:48:05 PM EDT
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A number two pencil dipped in shit and allowed to dry for the win.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:51:43 PM EDT
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Just like with firearms, location matters. Id rather be stabbed in the arm then have the side of my neck sliced.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:54:48 PM EDT
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This would suck pretty bad...
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:57:09 PM EDT
[#9]
generally easier to clean and stitch a cut than a deep puncture wound and less risk to vitals
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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:59:20 PM EDT
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I would worry more about aids if I survived. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 1:00:36 PM EDT
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I would worry more about aids if I survived. He could be a friend to you. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 1:02:17 PM EDT
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Stuck, because infection. Harder to flush the wound.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 1:04:20 PM EDT
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It's a shiv, not a shank.
I hate to be that guy, but this is a pet peeve of mine. 
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Posted: 10/20/2018 1:09:01 PM EDT
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It's a shiv, not a shank. I hate to be that guy, but this is a pet peeve of mine. I can certainly see why that bothers you. 
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Posted: 10/20/2018 1:10:43 PM EDT
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I don't think getting stuck with something in prison means what OP thinks it means. Avoid being stuck at all costs (unless that's your thing - nothing wrong with that - some of my best friends are...)
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Posted: 10/20/2018 1:11:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:15:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Shank, n: a slang term for a knife that's typically made from something else. A shank can be considered a type of shiv. So bottom line is that they are both types of homemade knives. A shiv, though, is usually made from something already sharp, like it can be a razor blade attached to the handle of a toothbrush." I can certainly see why that bothers you. 
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:17:36 PM EDT
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Stuck, because infection. Harder to flush the wound. Mom put a stop to that when she found them under my mattress. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:21:13 PM EDT
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Just like with firearms, location matters. Id rather be stabbed in the arm then have the side of my neck sliced. As someone that's been stabbed and sliced, cuts hurt more, stabs are potentially more dangerous (assuming not a major arterial cut or something) so there's my vote. Also, to the poster I quoted - then and than mean different things. This is one of those situations where it really matters. 
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:23:04 PM EDT
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Stab. Easier to reach vital targets. Not an expert, but I am a paramedic and I train in a knife based art.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:26:39 PM EDT
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Thats a really cool art piece, is it for sale somewhere?
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:34:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Shanks are for sticking, not cutting.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:39:47 PM EDT
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It's a shiv, not a shank. I hate to be that guy, but this is a pet peeve of mine. FYI. 99% of the ones in the pic are stabbing weapons. If you want to kill someone you stab, straddle when down and stab repeatedly to the head. Only ones you see that make big lacerations are razor blades broken down and attached to a handle. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:41:08 PM EDT
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Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous. What do you fear more.....pain or death? How many years did you do?
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:08:42 PM EDT
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My amateur guess would be getting stabbed. If someone is attacking you and slashing, the cuts are probably going to be mostly defensive ones on your extremities and (guessing) not necessarily lethal. If someone is getting stabs in, it's probably to more vital places like your torso and there's kinda important stuff in there.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:19:46 PM EDT
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Where's the get both selection?
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:22:58 PM EDT
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I always like the idea of using a sharpened, pointed section of copper pipe or conduit. 1) Cut length of pipe at a sharp angle so that it forms a point suitable for stabbing 2) Cut and bend barbs along length similar to a fishhook barb. The idea is that you trust it into the marks body and leave it, the barbs make it difficult to pull out, the copper pipe/conduit acts like a spigot that can't be shutoff, allowing the red red kroovy to flow freely. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:28:17 PM EDT
[#28]
 Libre Fighting Tampa Seminar — Part 2, Wall Work (knife fighting, martial arts) |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote History Libre Fighting — the Ventilator Pen https://i.imgur.com/qKyoFh9.gif I always like the idea of using a sharpened, pointed section of copper pipe or conduit. 1) Cut length of pipe at a sharp angle so that it forms a point suitable for stabbing 2) Cut and bend barbs along length similar to a fishhook barb. The idea is that you trust it into the marks body and leave it, the barbs make it difficult to pull out, the copper pipe/conduit acts like a spigot that can't be shutoff, allowing the red red kroovy to flow freely. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:32:48 PM EDT
[#30]
Location location location.
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:33:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Dont go to prison and the odds drop a bunch
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:37:10 PM EDT
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I think I would rather be shanked in the melon and cut on my torso
But that's because I am handsome and don't want to be known as scarface 
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:41:04 PM EDT
[#33]
When I was in the Guard, part of our duty was prison riot control
We had prisoners come and demonstrate the weapons that were made The one I remember the most was one made of Saran Wrap Wrap it tight and heat it up. Eventually you will have a shive |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:47:06 PM EDT
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When I was in the Guard, part of our duty was prison riot control We had prisoners come and demonstrate the weapons that were made The one I remember the most was one made of Saran Wrap Wrap it tight and heat it up. Eventually you will have a shive |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:50:29 PM EDT
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Stuck.
Stuck is always worse than Cut. Ever since Ancient Greece and Rome. ETA: But Prisoner "Tactics" is basically a Sewing Machine, close up, stab stab stab. Read Put 'Em Down Take 'Em Out by Pentecost |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:55:38 PM EDT
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Infection is a big deal. Better chance to clean a laceration than a stab wound |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:56:23 PM EDT
[#37]
By the numbers, being stuck is worse.
Having seen the results both, getting neither would be my preference. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:58:51 PM EDT
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Do you use field points when deer hunting???
Cut is way more lethal. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 4:05:01 PM EDT
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Do you use field points when deer hunting??? Cut is way more lethal. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 4:07:55 PM EDT
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Do you use field points when deer hunting??? Cut is way more lethal. No. Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds. Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures. Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on. Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces. Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords. I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 4:08:02 PM EDT
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Wrong. The blades allow for deeper penetration to reach vital areas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you use field points when deer hunting??? Cut is way more lethal. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 4:08:42 PM EDT
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LOL No. Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds. Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures. Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on. Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces. Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords. I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you use field points when deer hunting??? Cut is way more lethal. No. Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds. Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures. Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on. Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces. Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords. I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher. ETA- I think we are reading OP differently. I thought this was a knife vs ice pick debate. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 4:12:07 PM EDT
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Slash vs thrust has been discussed as long as their have been edged weapons. None other than Sykes, Fairbairn & Applegate endorsed the “thrust” to produce a fatality.
You need relatively more steel to make a slash that will kill or dismember. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 4:14:48 PM EDT
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I think I would rather be shanked in the melon and cut on my torso But that's because I am handsome and don't want to be known as scarface |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 4:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha! Have you shot a target with each? FPs always penetrate deeper. The blades on BHs are designed to induce rapid blood loss. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:07:07 PM EDT
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You can't stab with a blade? ETA- I think we are reading OP differently. I thought this was a knife vs ice pick debate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you use field points when deer hunting??? Cut is way more lethal. No. Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds. Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures. Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on. Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces. Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords. I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher. ETA- I think we are reading OP differently. I thought this was a knife vs ice pick debate. Of course you can stab with a blade, but looking at the pics in OP with the FX blades, some are obviously slashers and some are obviously stabbers. I'll be here with my "Millwall Brick"
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:22:39 PM EDT
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I'm going with this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous. What do you fear more.....pain or death? |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:23:36 PM EDT
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I would rather get shanked any day of the week than get sliced with a razor (Tomahawk). I probably have over 200 authentic prison shanks in my collection, here are just a few:
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:40:32 PM EDT
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I’ve been cut with a knife and beaten with a baseball bat, but never stabbed. Both sucked. Given a choice, I’d carry a handgun and avoid either.
I’m too pretty for prison. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:43:44 PM EDT
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There are a couple of Tamahawks here, usually they will melt a razor to the top of a toothbrush for that. There is also one here made from a fork, and the cylinder shaped one is made from melted plastic or styrofoam. The one on the far left even has a scabbard, that's so when it was kiestered it wouldn't cut his insides.
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