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Posted: 10/20/2018 12:30:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:35:15 PM EDT
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It depends. All else being equal I’d think being stuck, especially in the abdomen, chest, back, or sides, has a greater likelihood to produce a fatality.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:35:24 PM EDT
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I would worry more about aids if I survived.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:37:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Infection is a big deal.

Better chance to clean a laceration than a stab wound
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:40:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous.

What do you fear more.....pain or death?
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:42:37 PM EDT
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Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous.

What do you fear more.....pain or death?
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I'm going with this.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:48:05 PM EDT
[#6]
A number two pencil dipped in shit and allowed to dry for the win.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:51:43 PM EDT
[#7]
Just like with firearms, location matters. Id rather be stabbed in the arm then have the side of my neck sliced.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:54:48 PM EDT
[#8]
This would suck pretty bad...

Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:57:09 PM EDT
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generally easier to clean and stitch a cut than a deep puncture wound and less risk to vitals
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:59:20 PM EDT
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I would worry more about aids if I survived.
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Link Posted: 10/20/2018 1:00:36 PM EDT
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I would worry more about aids if I survived.
https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.RXR_W9MABaTEzPDRYjCS8gHaEK&w=240&h=160&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7
Hey, we all need friends.

He could be a friend to you.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 1:02:17 PM EDT
[#12]
Stuck, because infection.  Harder to flush the wound.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 1:04:20 PM EDT
[#13]
It's a shiv, not a shank.

I hate to be that guy, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 1:09:01 PM EDT
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It's a shiv, not a shank.

I hate to be that guy, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
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"Shank, n: a slang term for a knife that's typically made from something else. A shank can be considered a type of shiv. So bottom line is that they are both types of homemade knives. A shiv, though, is usually made from something already sharp, like it can be a razor blade attached to the handle of a toothbrush."

I can certainly see why that bothers you.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 1:10:43 PM EDT
[#15]
I don't think getting stuck with something in prison means what OP thinks it means. Avoid being stuck at all costs (unless that's your thing - nothing wrong with that - some of my best friends are...)
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 1:11:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:15:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:17:36 PM EDT
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Stuck, because infection.  Harder to flush the wound.
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Yep. I used to rub my shanks in feces so whoever I had to shank had a good chance of getting a nasty infection.

Mom put a stop to that when she found them under my mattress.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:21:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:23:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Stab. Easier to reach vital targets. Not an expert, but I am a paramedic and I train in a knife based art.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:26:39 PM EDT
[#21]
Thats a really cool art piece, is it for sale somewhere?
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:34:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Shanks are for sticking, not cutting.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:39:47 PM EDT
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It's a shiv, not a shank.

I hate to be that guy, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
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It's a regional thing.  Some prisons it's a shank, some it's a shiv.

FYI.  99% of the ones in the pic are stabbing weapons.  If you want to kill someone you stab, straddle when down and stab repeatedly to the head.

Only ones you see that make big lacerations are razor blades broken down and attached to a handle.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 2:41:08 PM EDT
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Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous.

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This.

How many years did you do?
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:08:42 PM EDT
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My amateur guess would be getting stabbed.  If someone is attacking you and slashing, the cuts are probably going to be mostly defensive ones on your extremities and (guessing) not necessarily lethal.  If someone is getting stabs in, it's probably to more vital places like your torso and there's kinda important stuff in there.

Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:19:46 PM EDT
[#26]
Where's the get both selection?
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:22:58 PM EDT
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I always like the idea of using a sharpened, pointed section of copper pipe or conduit.

1) Cut length of pipe at a sharp angle so that it forms a point suitable for stabbing

2) Cut and bend barbs along length similar to a fishhook barb.

The idea is that you trust it into the marks body and leave it, the barbs make it difficult to pull
out, the copper pipe/conduit acts like a spigot that can't be shutoff, allowing the red red kroovy
to flow freely.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:28:17 PM EDT
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Libre Fighting Tampa Seminar — Part 2, Wall Work (knife fighting, martial arts)
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:30:40 PM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/qKyoFh9.gif

I always like the idea of using a sharpened, pointed section of copper pipe or conduit.

1) Cut length of pipe at a sharp angle so that it forms a point suitable for stabbing

2) Cut and bend barbs along length similar to a fishhook barb.

The idea is that you trust it into the marks body and leave it, the barbs make it difficult to pull
out, the copper pipe/conduit acts like a spigot that can't be shutoff, allowing the red red kroovy
to flow freely.
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Ed Calderon uses a pen that has the nib and ink replaced with a carbon fiber insert.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:32:48 PM EDT
[#30]
Location location location.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:33:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Dont go to prison and the odds drop a bunch
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:37:10 PM EDT
[#32]
I think I would rather be shanked in the melon and cut on my torso

But that's because I am handsome and don't want to be known as scarface
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:41:04 PM EDT
[#33]
When I was in the Guard, part of our duty was prison riot control

We had prisoners come and demonstrate the weapons that were made

The one I remember the most was one made of Saran Wrap
Wrap it tight and heat it up.  Eventually you will have a shive
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:47:06 PM EDT
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When I was in the Guard, part of our duty was prison riot control

We had prisoners come and demonstrate the weapons that were made

The one I remember the most was one made of Saran Wrap
Wrap it tight and heat it up.  Eventually you will have a shive
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It's scary how creative they can get. Ed Calderon (Ed's Manifesto) teaches a seminar on improvised weapons and covers stuff like that. He worked in uniform and undercover against the cartels in Mexico.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:50:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Stuck.

Stuck is always worse than Cut.

Ever since Ancient Greece and Rome.

ETA:

But Prisoner "Tactics" is basically a Sewing Machine, close up, stab stab stab.

Read Put 'Em Down Take 'Em Out by Pentecost


Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:55:38 PM EDT
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Infection is a big deal.

Better chance to clean a laceration than a stab wound
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This is my thinking.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:56:23 PM EDT
[#37]
By the numbers, being stuck is worse.
Having seen the results both, getting neither would be my preference.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 3:58:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Do you use field points when deer hunting???

Cut is way more lethal.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:05:01 PM EDT
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Do you use field points when deer hunting???

Cut is way more lethal.
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Wrong. The blades also have a finer point that allows for deeper penetration to reach vital areas.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:07:55 PM EDT
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Do you use field points when deer hunting???

Cut is way more lethal.
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LOL

No.

Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds.

Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures.

Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on.

Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces.

Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords.

I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:08:02 PM EDT
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Wrong. The blades allow for deeper penetration to reach vital areas.
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Do you use field points when deer hunting???

Cut is way more lethal.
Wrong. The blades allow for deeper penetration to reach vital areas.
Ha!  Have you shot a target with each?  FPs always penetrate deeper.  The blades on BHs are designed to induce rapid blood loss.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:08:42 PM EDT
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LOL

No.

Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds.

Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures.

Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on.

Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces.

Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords.

I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher.
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Do you use field points when deer hunting???

Cut is way more lethal.
LOL

No.

Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds.

Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures.

Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on.

Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces.

Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords.

I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher.
You can't stab with a blade?

ETA- I think we are reading OP differently.  I thought this was a knife vs ice pick debate.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:12:07 PM EDT
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Slash vs thrust has been discussed as long as their have been edged weapons.  None other than Sykes, Fairbairn & Applegate endorsed the “thrust” to produce a fatality.

You need relatively more steel to make a slash that will kill or dismember.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:14:48 PM EDT
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I think I would rather be shanked in the melon and cut on my torso

But that's because I am handsome and don't want to be known as scarface
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But chicks dig facial scars & your “Man Card” would be forever safe unless you do something right girlie, like a “Man Bun.”
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:22:10 PM EDT
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Ha!  Have you shot a target with each?  FPs always penetrate deeper.  The blades on BHs are designed to induce rapid blood loss.
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That much is true. They definitely create a larger wound channel. No different then stabbing with a knife.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 7:07:07 PM EDT
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You can't stab with a blade?

ETA- I think we are reading OP differently.  I thought this was a knife vs ice pick debate.
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Do you use field points when deer hunting???

Cut is way more lethal.
LOL

No.

Cut leads to nasty looking surface wounds.

Stabbed means you penetrated deeply and destroyed/damaged large structures.

Look at any successful ancient/medieval military, ain't a whole lot of slashing going on.

Pikes? Spears? Lances? Gladios? Slashing weapons were either situational (Zwiehanders to cut the heads off of Pikes) or last ditch defensive or used in a situation between undeveloped/unarmored/forces.

Cut/Slashed only really works well when you are on the back of a horse or chariot, and even then, Lances > Swords.

I'd rather have an impact weapon (and theres plenty of those in Prison too) than a slasher.
You can't stab with a blade?

ETA- I think we are reading OP differently.  I thought this was a knife vs ice pick debate.
Yeah, I was reading it as a stab/poke vs slash/cut.

Of course you can stab with a blade, but looking at the pics in OP with the FX blades, some are obviously slashers and some are obviously stabbers.

I'll be here with my "Millwall Brick"
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 7:22:39 PM EDT
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I'm going with this.
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Not an expert, but my experience has been that cuts hurt far more than puncture wounds....but puncture wounds are usually more dangerous.

What do you fear more.....pain or death?
I'm going with this.
Same.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 7:23:36 PM EDT
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I would rather get shanked any day of the week than get sliced with a razor (Tomahawk).  I probably have over 200 authentic prison shanks in my collection, here are just a few:

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Link Posted: 10/20/2018 7:40:32 PM EDT
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I’ve been cut with a knife and beaten with a baseball bat, but never stabbed. Both sucked. Given a choice, I’d carry a handgun and avoid either.

I’m too pretty for prison.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 7:43:44 PM EDT
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There are a couple of Tamahawks here, usually they will melt a razor to the top of a toothbrush for that.  There is also one here made from a fork, and the cylinder shaped one is made from melted plastic or styrofoam.  The one on the far left even has a scabbard, that's so when it was kiestered it wouldn't cut his insides.

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