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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:55:53 AM EST
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/14/israel.iran.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


JERUSALEM (CNN) –– Roughly half of Israelis support bombing Iran's nuclear facilities if international efforts fail to stop the Islamic republic from developing nuclear weapons, according to a Hebrew University poll released Sunday.


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu plans a major speech on peace and security.

Some 52 percent of Israelis say the country should bomb Iran's nuclear reactor, while 35 percent are against, the poll found. The margin of error in the poll of Israelis is 4.5 percentage points.

Palestinians are somewhat more evenly divided, with 43 percent saying a nuclear Iran would be good for the Arab world and 33 percent saying it would be bad, according to the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah, which conducted the poll along with Hebrew University. The margin of error for the Palestinian sample is 3 percentage points.

Hebrew University released the poll shortly before Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was due to make what he called a major speech to lay out his plan for the country's peace and security.

"We want to achieve peace with the Palestinians and with the countries of the Arab world, while attempting to reach maximum understanding with the United States and our friends around the world," Netanyahu said on June 7 in announcing the speech. "My aspiration is to achieve a stable peace that rests on a solid foundation of security for the State of Israel and its citizens."

Netanyahu, of the center-right Likud party, has pointedly refused to endorse a two-state solution.

President Obama in Cairo endorsed a two-state solution and urged compromise between "two peoples with legitimate aspirations."

Obama repeated his call for both Israel and the Palestinians to fulfill all obligations under the 2003 roadmap to peace, including a halt to any expansion of West Bank settlements by Israel. He also dispatched special envoy George Mitchell to the region to try to kick-start the negotiating process.

He called America's bond with Israel "unbreakable" but also rejected the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements and said Palestinians have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. He also called for an end of Palestinian incitement against Israel, and greater security in Palestinian territories.

Hebrew University surveyed 606 adult Israelis by phone in Hebrew, Arabic or Russian between May 24 and June 3. The Palestinian sample size was 1,270 adults interviewed face-to-face in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip in 127 randomly selected locations between May 21 and 23.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:02:54 AM EST
One thing is certain...

sooner or later somebody is going to get bombed, I rather it not be the Izzy's.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:03:39 AM EST
Looks like the problem's already been solved:
President Obama in Cairo endorsed a two-state solution and urged compromise between "two peoples with legitimate aspirations."
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:11:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 9:12:00 AM EST by raysheen]
Only 52%???!! Wow, I didn't realize that half of Israelis are retarded in much the same way that half (ok 51%!) of Americans are retarded...perhaps we could do a trade. We could send a certain 51% of Americans to Israel in exchange for the 52% that want to bomb Iran.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:12:42 AM EST
Let em... just don't expect our help after.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:13:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/14/israel.iran.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


JERUSALEM (CNN) ––

Netanyahu, of the center-right Likud party, has pointedly refused to endorse a two-state solution.






Seems not…





Netanyahu says will agree to demilitarized Palestinian state
Published: 06.14.09, 20:41 / Israel News
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented three conditions for the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel: The recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, demilitarization, and the support of the international community.

"If we receive this guarantee we will be ready to accept a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish one," he said. Netanyahu added that Jerusalem would remain the unified capital of Israel. (Roni Sofer)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3731260,00.html
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:14:15 AM EST
I agree with half of the Israelis
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:23:58 AM EST
They should go for it. Bush held them off, this clown show already has it's hands full. One thing about the Israelis, they don't take any shit, an PC is out the window. They call it as they see it, something we need to start doing.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:39:40 AM EST
I wonder if they took religion into consideration? With 20% of the Israeli population being Arab Muslim, were they included in the poll? If they were they i would say that the number of Jews who want to bomb Iran are much higher, probably around 65%.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:41:50 AM EST
Only half?

Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:09:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By RictusGrin:
Only half?

Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart.


plenty of Obama bumper stickers in Tel Aviv

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:03:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/14/israel.iran.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


JERUSALEM (CNN) ––

Netanyahu, of the center-right Likud party, has pointedly refused to endorse a two-state solution.



Seems not…

Netanyahu says will agree to demilitarized Palestinian state
Published: 06.14.09, 20:41 / Israel News
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented three conditions for the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel: The recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, demilitarization, and the support of the international community.

"If we receive this guarantee we will be ready to accept a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish one," he said. Netanyahu added that Jerusalem would remain the unified capital of Israel. (Roni Sofer)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3731260,00.html


Good deal if you ask me.

All the Palestinians have to do is agree to the conditions and we can all get on with our lives.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:12:30 PM EST
Looks like the palis don't accept Bibi's conditions....uhoh!

HH
=============================

White House Calls Netanyahu Speech 'Important Step Forward' in Peace Process

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/14/white-house-calls-netanyahu-speech-important-step-forward/

The conservative Israeli leader for the first time conditionally endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state. Palestinians, though, did not react warmly to the address.

FOXNews.com

Sunday, June 14, 2009

White House praised Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's conditional endorsement Sunday of a Palestinian state as an "important step forward" in the Middle East peace process, even as Palestinian leaders condemned the prime minister's terms as unreasonable.

The conservative Israeli leader for the first time conditionally endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state. Speaking near Tel Aviv, he said Israel would be ready to accept such a state provided the Palestinians recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people, as well as demilitarize their territories and offer security guarantees for Israel.

"The president welcomes the important step forward in Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said in a written statement. "The president is committed to two states, a Jewish state of Israel and an independent Palestine, in the historic homeland of both peoples. He believes this solution can and must ensure both Israel's security and the fulfillment of the Palestinians' legitimate aspirations for a viable state, and he welcomes Prime Minister Netanyahu's endorsement of that goal."

Sunday's address was widely seen as a response to Obama's address to the Muslim world from Cairo more than a week ago.

However, while Netanyahu said he supports the "idea of a regional peace that (Obama) is leading," he by no means echoed Obama's talking points on the matter.

In contrast to Obama, Netanyahu clearly shifted the burden for peace away from the Jewish state and onto the Palestinian people. He pushed back on criticism of Israeli settlements and the suggestion that his country is not doing all it can to achieve peace, while calling for Jerusalem to remain the "united capital" of Israel.

"We want peace," Netanyahu declared Sunday. He said the Palestinians, though, prevent peace by refusing to recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people and attacking Israelis.

"The closer we get to an agreement with them, the further they retreat and raise demands that are inconsistent with a true desire to end the conflict," he said.

Netanyahu made clear in his address that his administration sees Palestinian cooperation, not Israeli cooperation, as the missing link in the peace process –– potentially setting the stage for more delays and finger-pointing.

Palestinians did not react warmly to Netanyahu's address, despite the optimistic tone of the statement out of the White House Sunday.

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said Sunday that Netanyahu "failed to set the stage for negotiations," accusing the prime minister of putting unreasonable demands on the Palestinian people and refusing to endorse a comprehensive settlement freeze.

The Jerusalem Post reported that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' advisers are accusing Netanyahu of "burying the peace process" with his speech.

At the same time, the newspaper reported that Israeli conservatives are accusing Netanyahu of succumbing to Obama's demands for Palestinian statehood. Obama said in Cairo that a two-state solution is the "only resolution."

Given the mixed reaction, it is unclear in the near term whether the speech will trigger the kind of progress the White House seeks or heal the perceived rift between Washington and Jerusalem.

Netanyahu also did not explicitly endorse Obama's call for an absolute halt to settlement growth that includes a halt on "natural growth" of existing settlements.

Netanyahu said Sunday that Israel has no plans to build additional settlements or expand existing communities but that the settlers must be allowed to live "normal" lives.

He said the settlers are not the "enemies of peace" but are "our brothers and sisters" –– and he said the idea that territorial withdrawal will bring peace has "not stood the test of reality," as every withdrawal is met with "massive waves of terror."

Obama's remarks on Israeli settlements took a much firmer tone.

"The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements," Obama said in Cairo. "This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop."

Though some have suggested Obama is putting the extra pressure on Israel in order to appease the Arab world, Vice President Biden said Sunday that's not the case. After all, Obama called on Palestinians to abandon violence in his address and described as "unbreakable" the bond between the two countries.

"He made it clear we're not distancing ourself from Israel," Biden said on NBC's "Meet the Press. "(Palestinians) have to stop this baiting of their population, they have to stop incitement. ... They have to do something more than just talk about normalizing relations with Israel."
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:01:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/14/israel.iran.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


JERUSALEM (CNN) ––

Netanyahu, of the center-right Likud party, has pointedly refused to endorse a two-state solution.



Seems not…

Netanyahu says will agree to demilitarized Palestinian state
Published: 06.14.09, 20:41 / Israel News
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented three conditions for the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel: The recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, demilitarization, and the support of the international community.

"If we receive this guarantee we will be ready to accept a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish one," he said. Netanyahu added that Jerusalem would remain the unified capital of Israel. (Roni Sofer)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3731260,00.html


Good deal if you ask me.

All the Palestinians have to do is agree to the conditions and we can all get on with our lives.






Both sides will do what Obama tells them in due course…

Benny the Nut knows who signs the checks and the PPA want some of that welfare money too…
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:04:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
Looks like the palis don't accept Bibi's conditions....uhoh!


Really? Who would have seen that coming..
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:37:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By RictusGrin:
Only half?

Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart.


This could explain why.

Most Israelis could live with a nuclear Iran: poll
Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:00am EDT
By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Only one in five Israeli Jews believes a nuclear-armed Iran would try to destroy Israel and most see life continuing as normal should their arch-foe get the bomb, an opinion poll published on Sunday found.

The survey, commissioned by a Tel Aviv University think tank, appeared to challenge the argument of successive Israeli governments that Iran must be denied the means to make atomic weapons lest it threaten the existence of the Jewish state.

Asked how a nuclear-armed Iran would affect their lives, 80 percent of respondents said they expected no change. Eleven percent said they would consider emigrating and 9 percent said they would consider relocating inside Israel.

Twenty-one percent of Israelis believe Iran "would attack Israel with nuclear weapons with the objective of destroying it," the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), which commissioned the poll, said in a statement.

Iran says its uranium enrichment, which has bomb-making potential, is for energy only. But its leaders' anti-Israel rhetoric and support for Islamist guerrillas in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories have stirred fears of a regional war.

Some Israeli officials have said that the Islamic republic's ruling clerics may consider destroying Israel a goal worth the risk even of a devastating counter-strike: Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal.

A longer-term scenario sees Iran using the nuclear specter to undermine Israelis' desire to stay in their homeland.

DETERRENCE, RATIONALISM

"The Israeli leadership may be more informed," INSS research director Yehuda Ben Meir told Reuters, explaining that the discrepancy between public and government views about Iran.

But he added: "I think the Israeli public does not see this as an existential threat, and here there may be an exaggeration by some members of the leadership.

"Most Israelis appear willing to place their bet on Israel's deterrent capability and, I would add, on Iran's rational behavior."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to give a major policy speech on Sunday citing Iran's reach among the reasons his government is reluctant to cede occupied land for a Palestinian state, as envisaged by U.S.-led peace mediators.

Like his predecessors, Netanyahu has hinted Israel could attack Iran pre-emptively should Western diplomacy fail to curb its uranium enrichment.

The INSS survey found 59 percent of Israeli Jews would support such strikes, while 41 percent would not back the military option.

The poll had 616 respondents and a margin of error of 3.5 percent, Ben Meir said.

Israeli Arabs who make up some 20 percent of the population –– and are generally less likely to see themselves as targets of the Jewish state's enemies –– were not included for budgetary reasons, he said.

A separate survey, commissioned by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, found 52 percent support for pre-emptive Israeli attacks on Iran, with 35 percent of respondents opposed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55D0DR20090614

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:39:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Pred:
Let em... just don't expect our help after.


.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:00:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 11:04:45 PM EST by vito113]
Well worth repeating with emphasis…

Originally Posted By MK262:
Originally Posted By RictusGrin:
Only half?

Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart.


This could explain why.

Most Israelis could live with a nuclear Iran: poll
Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:00am EDT
By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Only one in five Israeli Jews believes a nuclear-armed Iran would try to destroy Israel and most see life continuing as normal should their arch-foe get the bomb, an opinion poll published on Sunday found.

The survey, commissioned by a Tel Aviv University think tank, appeared to challenge the argument of successive Israeli governments that Iran must be denied the means to make atomic weapons lest it threaten the existence of the Jewish state.

Asked how a nuclear-armed Iran would affect their lives, 80 percent of respondents said they expected no change. Eleven percent said they would consider emigrating and 9 percent said they would consider relocating inside Israel.

Twenty-one percent of Israelis believe Iran "would attack Israel with nuclear weapons with the objective of destroying it," the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), which commissioned the poll, said in a statement.

Iran says its uranium enrichment, which has bomb-making potential, is for energy only. But its leaders' anti-Israel rhetoric and support for Islamist guerrillas in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories have stirred fears of a regional war.

Some Israeli officials have said that the Islamic republic's ruling clerics may consider destroying Israel a goal worth the risk even of a devastating counter-strike: Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal.

A longer-term scenario sees Iran using the nuclear specter to undermine Israelis' desire to stay in their homeland.

DETERRENCE, RATIONALISM

"The Israeli leadership may be more informed," INSS research director Yehuda Ben Meir told Reuters, explaining that the discrepancy between public and government views about Iran.

But he added: "I think the Israeli public does not see this as an existential threat, and here there may be an exaggeration by some members of the leadership.

"Most Israelis appear willing to place their bet on Israel's deterrent capability and, I would add, on Iran's rational behavior."


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to give a major policy speech on Sunday citing Iran's reach among the reasons his government is reluctant to cede occupied land for a Palestinian state, as envisaged by U.S.-led peace mediators.

Like his predecessors, Netanyahu has hinted Israel could attack Iran pre-emptively should Western diplomacy fail to curb its uranium enrichment.

The INSS survey found 59 percent of Israeli Jews would support such strikes, while 41 percent would not back the military option.

The poll had 616 respondents and a margin of error of 3.5 percent, Ben Meir said.

Israeli Arabs who make up some 20 percent of the population –– and are generally less likely to see themselves as targets of the Jewish state's enemies –– were not included for budgetary reasons, he said.

A separate survey, commissioned by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, found 52 percent support for pre-emptive Israeli attacks on Iran, with 35 percent of respondents opposed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55D0DR20090614



Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:22:28 PM EST
Those polls completely miss the point. I don't believe Iran is so short-sighted as to actually directly attack Israel. They have no need to do so. A credible Iranian nuclear deterrence would be the last nail in the coffin of any Western attack against them, allowing them to dramatically increase and expand their support for Hezbollah, the groups in Iraq, help them maintain their leverage in Syria, and whatever else they plan to do to increase their influence in the region. I know lots of people think they want a doomsday device, but sadly I don't think they're that stupid or obvious.

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 12:33:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 12:35:03 AM EST by Dave_A]
Once again, the problem is that Israel is unable to impact Iran's nuclear program by bombing them...

Simple enough...

If it can't work, why do it?

And before someone says 'Why not give the Izzies MOP?', simple answer: We'd have to give them B2s too... Never. Going. To. Happen.

And that's assuming (big assumption) the MOP weapon can actually reach the hardened Iranian sites...


Link Posted: 6/15/2009 12:37:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 12:40:22 AM EST by Frost7]
Originally Posted By vito113:
Both sides will do what Obama tells them in due course…



I'll just file this with...

Both sides will do what Johnson tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Nixon tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Ford tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Carter tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Reagan tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Clinton tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course…
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 1:11:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By Frost7:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Both sides will do what Obama tells them in due course…



I'll just file this with...

Both sides will do what Johnson tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Nixon tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Ford tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Carter tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Reagan tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Clinton tells them in due course…

Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course…



Benny will sign on the dotted line like he did last time…








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