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Posted: 6/14/2009 9:02:54 AM EDT
[#1]
One thing is certain...
sooner or later somebody is going to get bombed, I rather it not be the Izzy's. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:03:39 AM EDT
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Looks like the problem's already been solved:
President Obama in Cairo endorsed a two-state solution and urged compromise between "two peoples with legitimate aspirations."
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:11:07 AM EDT
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Only 52%???!! Wow, I didn't realize that half of Israelis are retarded in much the same way that half (ok 51%!) of Americans are retarded...perhaps we could do a trade. We could send a certain 51% of Americans to Israel in exchange for the 52% that want to bomb Iran.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:12:42 AM EDT
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Let em... just don't expect our help after.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:13:28 AM EDT
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/14/israel.iran.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories JERUSALEM (CNN) –– Netanyahu, of the center-right Likud party, has pointedly refused to endorse a two-state solution. Seems not… Netanyahu says will agree to demilitarized Palestinian state Published: 06.14.09, 20:41 / Israel News Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented three conditions for the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel: The recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, demilitarization, and the support of the international community. "If we receive this guarantee we will be ready to accept a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish one," he said. Netanyahu added that Jerusalem would remain the unified capital of Israel. (Roni Sofer) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3731260,00.html |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:14:15 AM EDT
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I agree with half of the Israelis
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:23:58 AM EDT
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They should go for it. Bush held them off, this clown show already has it's hands full. One thing about the Israelis, they don't take any shit, an PC is out the window. They call it as they see it, something we need to start doing.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:39:40 AM EDT
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I wonder if they took religion into consideration? With 20% of the Israeli population being Arab Muslim, were they included in the poll? If they were they i would say that the number of Jews who want to bomb Iran are much higher, probably around 65%.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:41:50 AM EDT
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Only half?
Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:09:14 AM EDT
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Only half?
Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart. plenty of Obama bumper stickers in Tel Aviv
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Posted: 6/14/2009 4:03:58 PM EDT
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/14/israel.iran.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories JERUSALEM (CNN) –– Netanyahu, of the center-right Likud party, has pointedly refused to endorse a two-state solution. Seems not… Netanyahu says will agree to demilitarized Palestinian state Published: 06.14.09, 20:41 / Israel News Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented three conditions for the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel: The recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, demilitarization, and the support of the international community. "If we receive this guarantee we will be ready to accept a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish one," he said. Netanyahu added that Jerusalem would remain the unified capital of Israel. (Roni Sofer) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3731260,00.html Good deal if you ask me. All the Palestinians have to do is agree to the conditions and we can all get on with our lives. 
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Posted: 6/14/2009 4:12:30 PM EDT
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Looks like the palis don't accept Bibi's conditions....uhoh!
HH ============================= White House Calls Netanyahu Speech 'Important Step Forward' in Peace Process http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/14/white-house-calls-netanyahu-speech-important-step-forward/ The conservative Israeli leader for the first time conditionally endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state. Palestinians, though, did not react warmly to the address. FOXNews.com Sunday, June 14, 2009 White House praised Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's conditional endorsement Sunday of a Palestinian state as an "important step forward" in the Middle East peace process, even as Palestinian leaders condemned the prime minister's terms as unreasonable. The conservative Israeli leader for the first time conditionally endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state. Speaking near Tel Aviv, he said Israel would be ready to accept such a state provided the Palestinians recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people, as well as demilitarize their territories and offer security guarantees for Israel. "The president welcomes the important step forward in Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said in a written statement. "The president is committed to two states, a Jewish state of Israel and an independent Palestine, in the historic homeland of both peoples. He believes this solution can and must ensure both Israel's security and the fulfillment of the Palestinians' legitimate aspirations for a viable state, and he welcomes Prime Minister Netanyahu's endorsement of that goal." Sunday's address was widely seen as a response to Obama's address to the Muslim world from Cairo more than a week ago. However, while Netanyahu said he supports the "idea of a regional peace that (Obama) is leading," he by no means echoed Obama's talking points on the matter. In contrast to Obama, Netanyahu clearly shifted the burden for peace away from the Jewish state and onto the Palestinian people. He pushed back on criticism of Israeli settlements and the suggestion that his country is not doing all it can to achieve peace, while calling for Jerusalem to remain the "united capital" of Israel. "We want peace," Netanyahu declared Sunday. He said the Palestinians, though, prevent peace by refusing to recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people and attacking Israelis. "The closer we get to an agreement with them, the further they retreat and raise demands that are inconsistent with a true desire to end the conflict," he said. Netanyahu made clear in his address that his administration sees Palestinian cooperation, not Israeli cooperation, as the missing link in the peace process –– potentially setting the stage for more delays and finger-pointing. Palestinians did not react warmly to Netanyahu's address, despite the optimistic tone of the statement out of the White House Sunday. Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said Sunday that Netanyahu "failed to set the stage for negotiations," accusing the prime minister of putting unreasonable demands on the Palestinian people and refusing to endorse a comprehensive settlement freeze. The Jerusalem Post reported that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' advisers are accusing Netanyahu of "burying the peace process" with his speech. At the same time, the newspaper reported that Israeli conservatives are accusing Netanyahu of succumbing to Obama's demands for Palestinian statehood. Obama said in Cairo that a two-state solution is the "only resolution." Given the mixed reaction, it is unclear in the near term whether the speech will trigger the kind of progress the White House seeks or heal the perceived rift between Washington and Jerusalem. Netanyahu also did not explicitly endorse Obama's call for an absolute halt to settlement growth that includes a halt on "natural growth" of existing settlements. Netanyahu said Sunday that Israel has no plans to build additional settlements or expand existing communities but that the settlers must be allowed to live "normal" lives. He said the settlers are not the "enemies of peace" but are "our brothers and sisters" –– and he said the idea that territorial withdrawal will bring peace has "not stood the test of reality," as every withdrawal is met with "massive waves of terror." Obama's remarks on Israeli settlements took a much firmer tone. "The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements," Obama said in Cairo. "This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop." Though some have suggested Obama is putting the extra pressure on Israel in order to appease the Arab world, Vice President Biden said Sunday that's not the case. After all, Obama called on Palestinians to abandon violence in his address and described as "unbreakable" the bond between the two countries. "He made it clear we're not distancing ourself from Israel," Biden said on NBC's "Meet the Press. "(Palestinians) have to stop this baiting of their population, they have to stop incitement. ... They have to do something more than just talk about normalizing relations with Israel." |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:01:48 PM EDT
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/14/israel.iran.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories JERUSALEM (CNN) –– Netanyahu, of the center-right Likud party, has pointedly refused to endorse a two-state solution. Seems not… Netanyahu says will agree to demilitarized Palestinian state Published: 06.14.09, 20:41 / Israel News Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented three conditions for the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel: The recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, demilitarization, and the support of the international community. "If we receive this guarantee we will be ready to accept a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish one," he said. Netanyahu added that Jerusalem would remain the unified capital of Israel. (Roni Sofer) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3731260,00.html Good deal if you ask me. All the Palestinians have to do is agree to the conditions and we can all get on with our lives.
Both sides will do what Obama tells them in due course… Benny the Nut knows who signs the checks and the PPA want some of that welfare money too… |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:04:22 PM EDT
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Looks like the palis don't accept Bibi's conditions....uhoh! Really? Who would have seen that coming.. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:37:18 PM EDT
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Only half?
Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart. This could explain why. Most Israelis could live with a nuclear Iran: poll
Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:00am EDT By Dan Williams JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Only one in five Israeli Jews believes a nuclear-armed Iran would try to destroy Israel and most see life continuing as normal should their arch-foe get the bomb, an opinion poll published on Sunday found. The survey, commissioned by a Tel Aviv University think tank, appeared to challenge the argument of successive Israeli governments that Iran must be denied the means to make atomic weapons lest it threaten the existence of the Jewish state. Asked how a nuclear-armed Iran would affect their lives, 80 percent of respondents said they expected no change. Eleven percent said they would consider emigrating and 9 percent said they would consider relocating inside Israel. Twenty-one percent of Israelis believe Iran "would attack Israel with nuclear weapons with the objective of destroying it," the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), which commissioned the poll, said in a statement. Iran says its uranium enrichment, which has bomb-making potential, is for energy only. But its leaders' anti-Israel rhetoric and support for Islamist guerrillas in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories have stirred fears of a regional war. Some Israeli officials have said that the Islamic republic's ruling clerics may consider destroying Israel a goal worth the risk even of a devastating counter-strike: Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal. A longer-term scenario sees Iran using the nuclear specter to undermine Israelis' desire to stay in their homeland. DETERRENCE, RATIONALISM "The Israeli leadership may be more informed," INSS research director Yehuda Ben Meir told Reuters, explaining that the discrepancy between public and government views about Iran. But he added: "I think the Israeli public does not see this as an existential threat, and here there may be an exaggeration by some members of the leadership. "Most Israelis appear willing to place their bet on Israel's deterrent capability and, I would add, on Iran's rational behavior." Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to give a major policy speech on Sunday citing Iran's reach among the reasons his government is reluctant to cede occupied land for a Palestinian state, as envisaged by U.S.-led peace mediators. Like his predecessors, Netanyahu has hinted Israel could attack Iran pre-emptively should Western diplomacy fail to curb its uranium enrichment. The INSS survey found 59 percent of Israeli Jews would support such strikes, while 41 percent would not back the military option. The poll had 616 respondents and a margin of error of 3.5 percent, Ben Meir said. Israeli Arabs who make up some 20 percent of the population –– and are generally less likely to see themselves as targets of the Jewish state's enemies –– were not included for budgetary reasons, he said. A separate survey, commissioned by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, found 52 percent support for pre-emptive Israeli attacks on Iran, with 35 percent of respondents opposed. http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55D0DR20090614 |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:39:45 PM EDT
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Let em... just don't expect our help after. . |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 12:00:56 AM EDT
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Well worth repeating with emphasis…
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Only half?
Sounds like the average Israeli is as daft as his American counterpart. This could explain why. Most Israelis could live with a nuclear Iran: poll
Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:00am EDT By Dan Williams JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Only one in five Israeli Jews believes a nuclear-armed Iran would try to destroy Israel and most see life continuing as normal should their arch-foe get the bomb, an opinion poll published on Sunday found. The survey, commissioned by a Tel Aviv University think tank, appeared to challenge the argument of successive Israeli governments that Iran must be denied the means to make atomic weapons lest it threaten the existence of the Jewish state. Asked how a nuclear-armed Iran would affect their lives, 80 percent of respondents said they expected no change. Eleven percent said they would consider emigrating and 9 percent said they would consider relocating inside Israel. Twenty-one percent of Israelis believe Iran "would attack Israel with nuclear weapons with the objective of destroying it," the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), which commissioned the poll, said in a statement. Iran says its uranium enrichment, which has bomb-making potential, is for energy only. But its leaders' anti-Israel rhetoric and support for Islamist guerrillas in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories have stirred fears of a regional war. Some Israeli officials have said that the Islamic republic's ruling clerics may consider destroying Israel a goal worth the risk even of a devastating counter-strike: Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal. A longer-term scenario sees Iran using the nuclear specter to undermine Israelis' desire to stay in their homeland. DETERRENCE, RATIONALISM "The Israeli leadership may be more informed," INSS research director Yehuda Ben Meir told Reuters, explaining that the discrepancy between public and government views about Iran. But he added: "I think the Israeli public does not see this as an existential threat, and here there may be an exaggeration by some members of the leadership. "Most Israelis appear willing to place their bet on Israel's deterrent capability and, I would add, on Iran's rational behavior." Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to give a major policy speech on Sunday citing Iran's reach among the reasons his government is reluctant to cede occupied land for a Palestinian state, as envisaged by U.S.-led peace mediators. Like his predecessors, Netanyahu has hinted Israel could attack Iran pre-emptively should Western diplomacy fail to curb its uranium enrichment. The INSS survey found 59 percent of Israeli Jews would support such strikes, while 41 percent would not back the military option. The poll had 616 respondents and a margin of error of 3.5 percent, Ben Meir said. Israeli Arabs who make up some 20 percent of the population –– and are generally less likely to see themselves as targets of the Jewish state's enemies –– were not included for budgetary reasons, he said. A separate survey, commissioned by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, found 52 percent support for pre-emptive Israeli attacks on Iran, with 35 percent of respondents opposed. http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55D0DR20090614 |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 12:22:28 AM EDT
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Those polls completely miss the point. I don't believe Iran is so short-sighted as to actually directly attack Israel. They have no need to do so. A credible Iranian nuclear deterrence would be the last nail in the coffin of any Western attack against them, allowing them to dramatically increase and expand their support for Hezbollah, the groups in Iraq, help them maintain their leverage in Syria, and whatever else they plan to do to increase their influence in the region. I know lots of people think they want a doomsday device, but sadly I don't think they're that stupid or obvious.
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Posted: 6/15/2009 1:33:35 AM EDT
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Once again, the problem is that Israel is unable to impact Iran's nuclear program by bombing them...
Simple enough... If it can't work, why do it? And before someone says 'Why not give the Izzies MOP?', simple answer: We'd have to give them B2s too... Never. Going. To. Happen. And that's assuming (big assumption) the MOP weapon can actually reach the hardened Iranian sites... |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 1:37:33 AM EDT
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Both sides will do what Obama tells them in due course… 
I'll just file this with... Both sides will do what Johnson tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Nixon tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Ford tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Carter tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Reagan tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Clinton tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course…
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Posted: 6/15/2009 2:11:33 AM EDT
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Both sides will do what Obama tells them in due course…
I'll just file this with... Both sides will do what Johnson tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Nixon tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Ford tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Carter tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Reagan tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Clinton tells them in due course…
Both sides will do what Bush tells them in due course… Benny will sign on the dotted line like he did last time… 
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