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Posted: 10/19/2004 8:35:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 8:36:28 AM EST by -Absolut-]
kerry is losing support among minorities, and he's losing to President Bush among women voters! the ship is sinking!

news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20041019/ap_on_el_pr/blacks_poll_3&printer=1



WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) has doubled his support among blacks in four years and Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites)'s backing among the key Democratic voting bloc is down slightly from the support Al Gore (news - web sites) won in 2000, according to a poll released Tuesday.

The Democratic presidential nominee holds a nearly 4-to-1 margin over Bush in the poll by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, a Washington-based research group that focuses on issues concerning blacks.

Bush got low marks for his handling of the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and his overall job performance. The Republican incumbent did gain more support than in 2000 from those age 50 and older and those who consider themselves Christian conservatives.


That helped the president narrow the still sizable gap with Kerry among blacks, who preferred the four-term Massachusetts senator over Bush, 69 percent to 18 percent. The group's poll before the 2000 election found Gore with a 74 percent to 9 percent lead over Bush.


Polls differ on the level of support for Bush among blacks. An Associated Press-Ipsos poll in mid-September found that 80 percent of registered black voters backed Kerry while 7 percent supported Bush.


Exit polls in 2000 showed Gore winning 90 percent of the black vote, with Bush at 9 percent — the lowest support for a Republican presidential candidate since Barry Goldwater garnered 6 percent in 1964.


Michael Whouley, general election manager for the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites), said internal polling didn't reflect the Joint Center's results. "I think on Election Day you will see record numbers (of black voters) go to the polls and vote for John Kerry," he said.


The Joint Center poll of 1,642 adults was conducted Sept. 15-Oct. 10, four days before the third and final presidential debate, and had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.


The survey included two samples — a general population sample of 850 adults and one of 850 blacks. There were 58 black respondents whose answers were part of both samples.


While Kerry hopes to counter any erosion in support among blacks, he also needs a large turnout among black Democrats to win battleground states such as Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.


The poll found Kerry receiving as much or more support than Gore among those age 18 to 25, those with less than a high school diploma and those making $60,000 or less.


But Kerry had 49 percent support from black Christian conservatives, down from the 69 percent Gore enjoyed in 2000. Bush was at 36 percent among the group this year, more than tripling the 11 percent he got four years ago.


Republican officials say they are making an effort this year to reach out to the black community. Campaign aides have cited Bush's support of school vouchers, public money that can be used to help pay private school tuition, and support of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage as issues that might win him more black votes.


About 48 percent of blacks surveyed supported vouchers, the same percentage as in the general population, according to the Joint Center poll. About 46 percent of blacks said there should be no recognition of a gay couple's relationship, compared with 37 percent for the population overall.



Link Posted: 10/19/2004 8:40:47 AM EST
What they convinced 4 more black people to vote for him ?


Link Posted: 10/19/2004 8:43:24 AM EST

That helped the president narrow the still sizable gap with Kerry among blacks, who preferred the four-term Massachusetts senator over Bush, 69 percent to 18 percent. The group's poll before the 2000 election found Gore with a 74 percent to 9 percent lead over Bush.



Whoopdie-freakin'-do!

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 8:43:31 AM EST
If I was black I would vote for him, does that count
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 8:47:12 AM EST
That's not good. If that group simply sits home, Kerry won't win.

How fucked up does a Dem have to be that BLACKS, who support a KLANSMAN in the Senate, won't vote for him?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:01:31 AM EST
In lieu of some thoroughly thought out response, I'll just say:

w00t!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:01:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

That helped the president narrow the still sizable gap with Kerry among blacks, who preferred the four-term Massachusetts senator over Bush, 69 percent to 18 percent. The group's poll before the 2000 election found Gore with a 74 percent to 9 percent lead over Bush.



Whoopdie-freakin'-do!




Hey now! Baby-steps... just like the "Antis"...
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:09:04 AM EST

Actually the end results on election day will show George Bush getting 15% of the black-vote and John Kerry will get 92% of the black vote.

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:10:33 AM EST
Breaking: new Fox News Poll shows President Bush leading john kerry 49-42
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:12:45 AM EST
For all of you nay-sayers about the effect on the Kerry campaign...learn this about American politics if you learn NOTHING else:

The Democrats COUNT on virtually 100% of all of the "victim" groups that the Democratic Party created and sustains. African Americans lead as a voting bloc in that group.

IF Monsieur Kerry loses just a very few percentage points of the black vote, he is done, you can stick a fork in him. The voters need not vote FOR Bush...but that would be sweet...they need only to stay home. NOT voting is still a disaster for Kerry.

This is GOOD news for America!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:14:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Actually the end results on election day will show George Bush getting 15% of the black-vote and John Kerry will get 92% of the black vote.




Huh?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:19:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Actually the end results on election day will show George Bush getting 15% of the black-vote and John Kerry will get 92% of the black vote.




So what about the other 14%? Where will that go?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:21:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Breaking: new Fox News Poll shows President Bush leading john kerry 49-42



Now that's good news.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:21:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 9:22:02 AM EST by Older_Crow]

Originally Posted By LWilde:

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Actually the end results on election day will show George Bush getting 15% of the black-vote and John Kerry will get 92% of the black vote.




Huh?


Hint, hint: Vote early, vote OFTEN!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:23:41 AM EST
Dead people also favor Democrats 10:1 over Republicans
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:23:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 9:24:45 AM EST by monkeyman]

Originally Posted By flashbat:

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Actually the end results on election day will show George Bush getting 15% of the black-vote and John Kerry will get 92% of the black vote.




So what about the other 14%? Where will that go?



Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:24:32 AM EST
As stated earlier: w00t!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:29:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

That helped the president narrow the still sizable gap with Kerry among blacks, who preferred the four-term Massachusetts senator over Bush, 69 percent to 18 percent. The group's poll before the 2000 election found Gore with a 74 percent to 9 percent lead over Bush.



Whoopdie-freakin'-do!




It is hard to win with your base eroding out from beneath you.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 10:00:08 AM EST
Whoa! Fox news channel said Bush is leading? I don't know about you but I'm convinced.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 10:14:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By t-stox:
Whoa! Fox news channel said Bush is leading? I don't know about you but I'm convinced.


Fox has had it pretty close until recently

CNN/USAT/Gallup (788 LV)
Bush- 52
Kerry- 44

Newsweek (LV)
Bush- 50
Kerry- 44
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 10:21:02 AM EST
Then why does it look so bad at electoral vote.com????


I'm going to have a heart attack beofre this is all over.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 10:26:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
Whoa! Fox news channel said Bush is leading? I don't know about you but I'm convinced.


Fox has had it pretty close until recently

CNN/USAT/Gallup (788 LV)
Bush- 52
Kerry- 44

Newsweek (LV)
Bush- 50
Kerry- 44





It's not about the popular vote, its about the electoral
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 10:52:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Currahee:
Then why does it look so bad at electoral vote.com????



Maybe because the site owner is a dedicated anti-Bush liberal who is un-objectively hand-picking the polls/poll numbers which best support his cause?...
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 10:56:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By flashbat:

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Actually the end results on election day will show George Bush getting 15% of the black-vote and John Kerry will get 92% of the black vote.




So what about the other 14%? Where will that go?



Voter Fruad
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 11:01:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By Currahee:
Then why does it look so bad at electoral vote.com????



Maybe because the site owner is a dedicated anti-Bush liberal who is un-objectively hand-picking the polls/poll numbers which best support his cause?...



As Hiram has repeatedly shown, that is precisely the reason.

It's getting to the point that electoral-vote.com is becoming more of a barometer of how desperate the Left is than a measure of the political climate. The more they fudge the numbers, the LESS confident they show themselves to be.

Hee-hee!

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 11:03:57 AM EST
Man I so hope you guys are right, I hope it more than anything I can think of right now.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 11:20:59 AM EST
i really need bush to be re elected
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 11:21:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By ANGST:
What they convinced 4 more black people to vote for him ?






Link Posted: 10/19/2004 12:26:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By Currahee:
Then why does it look so bad at electoral vote.com????


I'm going to have a heart attack beofre this is all over.

for the umpteenth time, the guy who runs electoral-vote is a democrat with an agenda. he picks and chooses polls that help kerry in order to encourage democrats and discourage republicans
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 12:28:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By ANGST:

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
Whoa! Fox news channel said Bush is leading? I don't know about you but I'm convinced.


Fox has had it pretty close until recently

CNN/USAT/Gallup (788 LV)
Bush- 52
Kerry- 44

Newsweek (LV)
Bush- 50
Kerry- 44





It's not about the popular vote, its about the electoral


when the popular vote is seperated by more than 2 or 3 points, it's a safe indicator of who will win the EV. which btw President Bush has had a consistent lead in for several months.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 12:33:12 PM EST
Don't you mean...AFRICAN AMERICANS?



That's it...I'm calling the ACLU
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