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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:48:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/28/2005 11:48:44 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 11:52:35 PM EDT
and yet from a professer at Ga Tech, volcanic eruptions put more CO2 into the air every year than mankind has since the industrial revolution
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 11:53:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 11:55:27 PM EDT
It's Bush's fault that the Sun has increased in intensity. Who would have known that Bush can control stellar fusion reactions.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 12:11:03 AM EDT
As someone who lives in Alaska,

"Global warming? faster, please!"
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 12:16:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
It's Bush's fault that the Sun has increased in intensity. Who would have known that Bush can control stellar fusion reactions.



I think it was Rush the other day that had a report saying that the JPL people have noticed "global warming" on Mars with subsequent geological activity and receding of the polar ice caps and that they "don't know what's causing it".

Lets see... "global warming" on Earth... "global warming" on Mars. What could the two *possibly* have in common?

Gee, could it have something to do with the SUN?

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:06:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Just for the record… I'm all for global warming!!!


ANdy



Amen!!!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:29:20 AM EDT
this greenhouse gas crap is utter bullshit!!!! /yea it's getting hotter but that's not because the cows are farting methane, the sun is getting closer it's the reason the ice is melting.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:34:27 AM EDT
The caps are not melting. What do you think powers the Haliburton Hurricane machine? It would be too suspicious if 'W' went into 7-11 and asked for 1 billion bags of ice, now wouldnt it!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:12:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 2:12:48 AM EDT by K2QB3]

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:
and yet from a professer at Ga Tech, volcanic eruptions put more CO2 into the air every year than mankind has since the industrial revolution



Professor Fullofshyte I presume?

It just aint so, it isn't even close to being so, it wasn't even so when St. helens blew its top, matter of fact when St. helens blew we still outdid volcanism that year.

Current estimate of manmade CO2 is 7 billion metric tons a year, it isn't just hydrocarbons, it's tillage and forestry and desertification and so on.

The sun is another matter entirely, it's acting up all right, and it's having an effect for sure, all the more reason not to delude ourselves with feelgood lies about our own impacts on the world around us.

There's one acre of arable land for each human being on the planet, and a bit less than 20 acres of total surface area, mostly ocean, then desert, ice, mountains above the treeline, infertile areas for assorted other reasons, leaving just one.

No I don't support Kyoto, or any of the liberal "solutions" to environmental problems, but if the right doesn't get it together on this soon that's what we're going to be stuck with, even though it won't make a bit of difference.

Yeah Global warming's gonna be just great, more and bigger hurricanes every year, permafrost melting from underneath your pipelines and roads in AK, Billions of tons of bound methane and CO2 released from tundra around the globe, drought throughout the south, killing winter storms at high latitudes, fun stuff.

Yeah it's all happened before, yeah we'll adapt, some of us anyway, if we're lucky. Sabre-tooth tigers are a very simple mutation, they've arrived, flourished, and gone extinct six times, not just a dieoff, extinction. Victims of their own efficiency at reproduction and consumption.

Language, and the technology it makes possible give humanity really big teeth.

Do you believe there's nothing to warming, and far more importantly resource depletion because you've studied the situation or because it's more convenient to believe as you do? Or is it simply that you've been told this by the cheerleaders of your preferred political "football team"?

Or maybe you just can't accept anything the "other team" is making political points out of? It isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue, at least it shouldn't be, but the politicians on both sides are making it so.

There's only really three ways of looking at the issue, either we're responsible for maintaining the optimum environment for humanity here on earth indefinately, or we're planning on using this planet up and abandoning it en-masse for the stars, or we just don't give a damn and we'll enjoy our short lives to the fullest and to hell with the future.

Growth in financial agregates and a rising standard of living are not the same thing, the equation has changed since the industrial revolution made this population explosion and rate of resource consumption possible, gotta deal with that somehow. There are free market solutions to that problem, if they're not implemented then the authoritarian ones will be, not that it'll help.

We're most likely another evolutionary dead-end, just like those tigers we won't stop until all the game is gone, then we'll turn on each other.

Santas workshop's at the bottom of the sea... open ocean 3 years ago this month for the first time in recorded history, oh well.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:30:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 2:31:24 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:45:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 2:46:08 AM EDT by iamblades]

Originally Posted By K2QB3:

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:
and yet from a professer at Ga Tech, volcanic eruptions put more CO2 into the air every year than mankind has since the industrial revolution



Professor Fullofshyte I presume?

It just aint so, it isn't even close to being so, it wasn't even so when St. helens blew its top, matter of fact when St. helens blew we still outdid volcanism that year.

Current estimate of manmade CO2 is 7 billion metric tons a year, it isn't just hydrocarbons, it's tillage and forestry and desertification and so on.

The sun is another matter entirely, it's acting up all right, and it's having an effect for sure, all the more reason not to delude ourselves with feelgood lies about our own impacts on the world around us.

There's one acre of arable land for each human being on the planet, and a bit less than 20 acres of total surface area, mostly ocean, then desert, ice, mountains above the treeline, infertile areas for assorted other reasons, leaving just one.

No I don't support Kyoto, or any of the liberal "solutions" to environmental problems, but if the right doesn't get it together on this soon that's what we're going to be stuck with, even though it won't make a bit of difference.

Yeah Global warming's gonna be just great, more and bigger hurricanes every year, permafrost melting from underneath your pipelines and roads in AK, Billions of tons of bound methane and CO2 released from tundra around the globe, drought throughout the south, killing winter storms at high latitudes, fun stuff.

Yeah it's all happened before, yeah we'll adapt, some of us anyway, if we're lucky. Sabre-tooth tigers are a very simple mutation, they've arrived, flourished, and gone extinct six times, not just a dieoff, extinction. Victims of their own efficiency at reproduction and consumption.

Language, and the technology it makes possible give humanity really big teeth.

Do you believe there's nothing to warming, and far more importantly resource depletion because you've studied the situation or because it's more convenient to believe as you do? Or is it simply that you've been told this by the cheerleaders of your preferred political "football team"?

Or maybe you just can't accept anything the "other team" is making political points out of? It isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue, at least it shouldn't be, but the politicians on both sides are making it so.

There's only really three ways of looking at the issue, either we're responsible for maintaining the optimum environment for humanity here on earth indefinately, or we're planning on using this planet up and abandoning it en-masse for the stars, or we just don't give a damn and we'll enjoy our short lives to the fullest and to hell with the future.

Growth in financial agregates and a rising standard of living are not the same thing, the equation has changed since the industrial revolution made this population explosion and rate of resource consumption possible, gotta deal with that somehow. There are free market solutions to that problem, if they're not implemented then the authoritarian ones will be, not that it'll help.

We're most likely another evolutionary dead-end, just like those tigers we won't stop until all the game is gone, then we'll turn on each other.

Santas workshop's at the bottom of the sea... open ocean 3 years ago this month for the first time in recorded history, oh well.



No, it's not about politics, just that we don't care all that much for your alarmist BS. Global climate change is still a very poorly understood subject, and all the hysterical environmentalists trying to use the incomplete science to implement worldwide socialist CO2 quotas do far more harm than good.

Sacrificing all future economic growth because you are want to save a few tenths of a degree over hundreds of years based on models that don't account for a myriad of factors is stupid, period.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:53:05 AM EDT
Back in 1974, the big concern was over another Ice Age coming. I think that scientists just don't have enough information to really make informed decisions about what is happening to our planet.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1997/vo13no25/vo13no25_alarmism.htm
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:57:50 AM EDT
NASA has just shown that the polar ice caps are melting on Mars as well. Who is causing the "Global Warming" up there?

Mars Polar Ice Caps Melting
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 3:00:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 3:01:36 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/29/2005 3:11:24 AM EDT
global warming huh? I have to ask the question, who really gives a fuck????

I mean none of the doomsayers, or anyone for that matter that is alive now, is going to be alive when/if the effects are really apparent. I say bring the shit on. I want to see the ocean levels rise. I want to see florida under water. I want to see Los Angeles, San Diego, New Orleans, New York, and all other coastal metorpolitan areas under water.

Imagine the fishing opportunities

And what about the coming Ice age. What is it, every 10-30,000 years the earth goes through a cooling trend and we all freeze? What about those doom and gloom profits? Where are they?

I want to see the oceans freeze up after the global warming takes out all the coastal areas. The eskimos won't be complaining then will they? And niether will those fucking little penguins that wobble around on the ice.

But then again it will abll be Bush's fault.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:03:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By K2QB3:
Yeah it's all happened before, yeah we'll adapt, some of us anyway, if we're lucky. Sabre-tooth tigers are a very simple mutation, they've arrived, flourished, and gone extinct six times, not just a dieoff, extinction. Victims of their own efficiency at reproduction and consumption.



Please, do tell us more of these certainties.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:16:18 AM EDT
Global Warming?... BS

They predicted this winter to be the coldest one... and With Natural Gas price hiking way up.

WTF?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:21:49 AM EDT
Now the left blames President Bush for the increase in the Sun's solar cycle?!!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:28:01 AM EDT
Doesn't the ice take up MORE space than water indicating that a melting at the polar ice cap would reduce the amount of water volume on earth? At least when I freeze ice cubes they take up more space than the water I put in the tray

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:54:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CbtEngr1:
Doesn't the ice take up MORE space than water indicating that a melting at the polar ice cap would reduce the amount of water volume on earth? At least when I freeze ice cubes they take up more space than the water I put in the tray




Yeah... I wonder if all those environmentalists have to drink their sodas really quick before the ice melts and overflows the cup.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:06:16 AM EDT
For the record it is not 'Global Warming' any more; it is now called 'Global Climate Change'. Lord knows that the climate has been rock solid stable for the last 10,000 years and it is our evil SUV's that have screwed all this up.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:12:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sydney7629:
NASA has just shown that the polar ice caps are melting on Mars as well. Who is causing the "Global Warming" up there?

Mars Polar Ice Caps Melting



Rush suggested that it might be because of the Mars rover that we sent there a few years ago.

(jokingly, of course)
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:14:37 AM EDT
If "green house gases" are causing global warming and if global warming really is happeneing, why is it that everyone always points the finger at the US?

China and India pump WAY more "green house gases" into the atmosphere and have WAY more pollution than the USA does.

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:14:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By K2QB3:

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:
and yet from a professer at Ga Tech, volcanic eruptions put more CO2 into the air every year than mankind has since the industrial revolution



Professor Fullofshyte I presume?

It just aint so, it isn't even close to being so, it wasn't even so when St. helens blew its top, matter of fact when St. helens blew we still outdid volcanism that year.

Current estimate of manmade CO2 is 7 billion metric tons a year, it isn't just hydrocarbons, it's tillage and forestry and desertification and so on.

The sun is another matter entirely, it's acting up all right, and it's having an effect for sure, all the more reason not to delude ourselves with feelgood lies about our own impacts on the world around us.

There's one acre of arable land for each human being on the planet, and a bit less than 20 acres of total surface area, mostly ocean, then desert, ice, mountains above the treeline, infertile areas for assorted other reasons, leaving just one.

No I don't support Kyoto, or any of the liberal "solutions" to environmental problems, but if the right doesn't get it together on this soon that's what we're going to be stuck with, even though it won't make a bit of difference.

Yeah Global warming's gonna be just great, more and bigger hurricanes every year, permafrost melting from underneath your pipelines and roads in AK, Billions of tons of bound methane and CO2 released from tundra around the globe, drought throughout the south, killing winter storms at high latitudes, fun stuff.

Yeah it's all happened before, yeah we'll adapt, some of us anyway, if we're lucky. Sabre-tooth tigers are a very simple mutation, they've arrived, flourished, and gone extinct six times, not just a dieoff, extinction. Victims of their own efficiency at reproduction and consumption.

Language, and the technology it makes possible give humanity really big teeth.

Do you believe there's nothing to warming, and far more importantly resource depletion because you've studied the situation or because it's more convenient to believe as you do? Or is it simply that you've been told this by the cheerleaders of your preferred political "football team"?

Or maybe you just can't accept anything the "other team" is making political points out of? It isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue, at least it shouldn't be, but the politicians on both sides are making it so.

There's only really three ways of looking at the issue, either we're responsible for maintaining the optimum environment for humanity here on earth indefinately, or we're planning on using this planet up and abandoning it en-masse for the stars, or we just don't give a damn and we'll enjoy our short lives to the fullest and to hell with the future.

Growth in financial agregates and a rising standard of living are not the same thing, the equation has changed since the industrial revolution made this population explosion and rate of resource consumption possible, gotta deal with that somehow. There are free market solutions to that problem, if they're not implemented then the authoritarian ones will be, not that it'll help.

We're most likely another evolutionary dead-end, just like those tigers we won't stop until all the game is gone, then we'll turn on each other.

Santas workshop's at the bottom of the sea... open ocean 3 years ago this month for the first time in recorded history, oh well.



Anyone...and I mean ANYONE who thinks that Mankind is really making a huge "impact" on the earth is having delusions of grandeur. If every human on earth died today, within 100 years man's "damage" to the planet would be erased. This planet is a lot more durable and resilient then the eco-disaster Chicken Littles will admit.

One thing that makes me giggle, is the whole "inuit" thing.... 15 years ago the greenpeace fuckers were calling them murderers and horrible people for killing seals and whales. Now that they can be USED FOR A POLITICAL PURPOSE they are back to be a noble, downtrodden people.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:15:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By phatmax:

Originally Posted By K2QB3:

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:
and yet from a professer at Ga Tech, volcanic eruptions put more CO2 into the air every year than mankind has since the industrial revolution



Professor Fullofshyte I presume?

It just aint so, it isn't even close to being so, it wasn't even so when St. helens blew its top, matter of fact when St. helens blew we still outdid volcanism that year.

Current estimate of manmade CO2 is 7 billion metric tons a year, it isn't just hydrocarbons, it's tillage and forestry and desertification and so on.

The sun is another matter entirely, it's acting up all right, and it's having an effect for sure, all the more reason not to delude ourselves with feelgood lies about our own impacts on the world around us.

There's one acre of arable land for each human being on the planet, and a bit less than 20 acres of total surface area, mostly ocean, then desert, ice, mountains above the treeline, infertile areas for assorted other reasons, leaving just one.

No I don't support Kyoto, or any of the liberal "solutions" to environmental problems, but if the right doesn't get it together on this soon that's what we're going to be stuck with, even though it won't make a bit of difference.

Yeah Global warming's gonna be just great, more and bigger hurricanes every year, permafrost melting from underneath your pipelines and roads in AK, Billions of tons of bound methane and CO2 released from tundra around the globe, drought throughout the south, killing winter storms at high latitudes, fun stuff.

Yeah it's all happened before, yeah we'll adapt, some of us anyway, if we're lucky. Sabre-tooth tigers are a very simple mutation, they've arrived, flourished, and gone extinct six times, not just a dieoff, extinction. Victims of their own efficiency at reproduction and consumption.

Language, and the technology it makes possible give humanity really big teeth.

Do you believe there's nothing to warming, and far more importantly resource depletion because you've studied the situation or because it's more convenient to believe as you do? Or is it simply that you've been told this by the cheerleaders of your preferred political "football team"?

Or maybe you just can't accept anything the "other team" is making political points out of? It isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue, at least it shouldn't be, but the politicians on both sides are making it so.

There's only really three ways of looking at the issue, either we're responsible for maintaining the optimum environment for humanity here on earth indefinately, or we're planning on using this planet up and abandoning it en-masse for the stars, or we just don't give a damn and we'll enjoy our short lives to the fullest and to hell with the future.

Growth in financial agregates and a rising standard of living are not the same thing, the equation has changed since the industrial revolution made this population explosion and rate of resource consumption possible, gotta deal with that somehow. There are free market solutions to that problem, if they're not implemented then the authoritarian ones will be, not that it'll help.

We're most likely another evolutionary dead-end, just like those tigers we won't stop until all the game is gone, then we'll turn on each other.

Santas workshop's at the bottom of the sea... open ocean 3 years ago this month for the first time in recorded history, oh well.



Anyone...and I mean ANYONE who thinks that Mankind is really making a huge "impact" on the earth is having delusions of grandeur. If every human on earth died today, within 100 years man's "damage" to the planet would be erased. This planet is a lot more durable and resilient then the eco-disaster Chicken Littles will admit.

One thing that makes me giggle, is the whole "inuit" thing.... 15 years ago the greenpeace fuckers were calling them murderers and horrible people for killing seals and whales. Now that they can be USED FOR A POLITICAL PURPOSE they are back to be a noble, downtrodden people.

Excellent point!
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