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Uh....maybe you skipped out on American History, but most of the Framers WERE combat vets!!!  

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Uh....maybe you skipped out on American History, but most of the Framers WERE combat vets!!!    General Gerorge Washington ring a bell?  And, the ones that might not have been on the battlefield were still wanted by the King as traitors.  Many of them had their homes burned, family arrested or killed because of their rebellious status.

What the hell are you on man?

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this thread has the potential to expand on the display of idiocy.

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The constitution doesn't mean much when we're all forced to speak German or Japanese, genius.

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this thread has the potential to expand on the display of idiocy.

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Why is that? I think he has a valid question.

Should not the writer get as much credit as the soldier for securing our way of life?

Without one there would not be the need for the other.

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And what have you done?

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And we wouldn't have had a revolution without the writer/thinker inspiring people to fight and having a reason to continue to do so.

You can't compare the minutemen to soldiers of today.

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...It also created the National Recovery Administration (NRA). The NRA was perhaps one of the most sweeping and controversial of the early New Deal programs. Its purposes were twofold: first, to stabilize business with codes of "fair" competitive practice and, second, to generate more purchasing power by providing jobs, defining labor standards, and raising wages. The NRA also reflected trade union hopes for protection of basic hour and wage standards and liberal hopes for comprehensive planning. General Hugh S. Johnson headed the NRA and eventually proposed a "blanket code" pledging employers generally to observe the same labor standards. By mid-July 1933 he launched a crusade to whip up popular support for the NRA and its symbol of compliance, the "Blue Eagle," with the motto "We do our part." The eagle, which had been modeled on an Indian thunderbird, was displayed in windows and stamped on products to show a business's compliance. There was even a parade down New York's Fifth Avenue with over a quarter of a million marchers in September to show support for the NRA and the "Blue Eagle."



While developing programs to help America emerge from the Great Depression, Roosevelt also needed to calm the fears and restore the confidence of Americans and to gain their support for the programs of the New Deal, including the NRA. One of the ways FDR chose to accomplish this was through the radio, the most direct means of access to the American people. During the 1930s almost every home had a radio, and families typically spent several hours a day gathered together, listening to their favorite programs. Roosevelt called his radio talks about issues of public concern "Fireside Chats." Informal and relaxed, the talks made Americans feel as if President Roosevelt was talking directly to them. Roosevelt continued to use fireside chats throughout his presidency to address the fears and concerns of the American people as well as to inform them of the positions and actions taken by the U.S. government.

The topic of this lesson's featured document, Fireside Chat on the Purposes and Foundations of the Recovery Program, was the NRA. Although this radio message, given on July 24, 1933, addressed some of the problems and issues of the Great Depression, it also focused on what industry, employers, and workers could do to bring about economic recovery.

For a time, the NRA worked. It gave an air of confidence to the American people to overcome the fears of the Depression and the downward turn of wages and prices. However, once recovery began, hostility among businessmen grew with the daily annoyances of code enforcement. Within two years the NRA had developed many critics and by May 1935 was struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional. The experiment of the NRA was generally put down as a failure. Nevertheless, the codes had set new standards for business and workers such as the 40-hour week and the end of child labor. The NRA also helped the growth of unions with the endorsement of collective bargaining.

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The author of this thread is a fucking idiot.  Vets don't ask to be respected.  We do what we do because we are Americans.  Basic and simple.  If you don't want to respect us, fair enough.  Enjoy your rights at our expense.  It's our pleasure.

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I know they are the tip of the spear (or whatever quote you prefer) but every country has "veterans" and very few countries have anything close to Freedom.

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OT....Did your realize that your avatar has nothing to do the National Rifle Association?

It is the logo of Franklin Roosevelt's National Recovery Administration, a new deal program:

From http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/fdr-fireside/



 

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You're talking to one...and I still have yet to see how being in 140+ countries around the world is defending the values and ideals this country was founded upon.

I don't expect nor do I deserve thanks for anything above anyone else.

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I think the biggest thing is Vietnam and S. Korea as part of the cold war, defending our freedom from communism.

I just can't see the Nazis or Japs ever trying to invade the US but I can definitely see the Soviets doing it.

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We went to fight some communists but played nice with other communists at the same time; our 'enemy' is whoever currently stands in the way of our self-interests.

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I'm a vet, for the record I froze my ass off on the DMZ to protect, well mostly the freedom of the Koreans.  Allot of vets never froze their ass off, a lot of vets sat on their asses in an office, a lot of vets worked 9-5 jobs at places like Eglin AFB (basically living where I go to vacation) Or Keesler AFB (where I was away from while I was freezing my ass off.) But then again, some vets ride down roads in Iraq at risk of losing their life from IEDs every day or charged of Hamburger hill and things like that.  Point is, "vet" doesn't mean much to me.  Allot of vets have done more than me, and a lot more have done less... some haven't contributed more to this nation's freedoms than the average taxpayer.  I think the rush to thank vets is a little silly.  Guy on ARFCOM posts that he decided to join up, well good for you, there will be 50 posts thanking him for his service, WTF at least wait until he's done with training.

I wish I could send some socks to the guys at Valley Forge or have stood with the men at the Old North Bridge.  And I would love to meet Thomas Jefferson... the only downside would be having to tell him what has become of America.  I would love to have a beer with Ben Franklin I beer he was great to have a beer with.  I would love to sit down and heer wahington tell the story of the revolution.  I'd love to help Thomas Paine make a youtube vid about the modern world.

Those were the people who gave us our freedom.

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John Kerry, Jack Murtha, Jimmy Carter all veterans with very little thanks in route for my "freedom". Again, service is essential to the preservation of freedom, but it does not necessarily result in freedom.

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OP: Because our veterans fight for the sacred fire of Liberty as protected politically through our Constitution.

Others don't.

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I never said every Vet was smart either.  If you can't understand the world then I can't help you.  I appreciate your service and will continue mine with honor and competency.

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I never said every Vet was smart either.  If you can't understand the world then I can't help you.  I appreciate your service and will continue mine with honor and competency.

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And would that 'sacred fire' be there without the writer/thinker/philosopher?

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Without vets our Constitution would be in a German museum, but...and this is the key point...without the founders, we would have no Constitution.

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Without vets our Constitution would be in a German museum, but...and this is the key point...without the founders, we would have no Constitution.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

For even those who come short in other ways may justly plead the valor with which they have fought for their country; they have blotted out the evil with the good

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Exactly.

My statement contained both points and WHY our veterans will always be among the most important beings in the history man.  IF Liberty survives into the future.  Because if it does, it will be because of the success of the American experiment.  If it does not, it will be because we failed.  Veterans do not determine, internally, whether or not that experiment succeeds (per se, as every citizen is important to its success).  What they DO is protect the CHANCE for the experiment to succeed.  Without that, all the philosophers, writers, and thinkers in the world could not save Liberty.

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Do you believe our Constitution would be in Baghdad museum if it wasn't for OIF?

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Clear the tracks, the arrogance train is coming and the brakes are out!

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Do you believe our Constitution would be in Baghdad museum if it wasn't for OIF?

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I think the National Archives would be pretty pissed.

No, I don't believe that, it's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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And, hypothetically, what should our military be used for evil purposes in the future (and as history shows time and time again, it will be?)

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It would also be the most embarrassing thing that has ever happened

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Why is that? I think he has a valid question.

Should not the writer get as much credit as the soldier for securing our way of life?

Without one there would not be the need for the other.

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Huh?

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no no, you miss my point.... I am basing it off the natural reactions of ARFCOMMERS.. I will say that during our process and struggle for independence both the writer and the fighter were equally as important. now days all we have it seems is the fighter, as the writers only work towards derailing our freedoms.