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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:35:56 PM EDT
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You don't remember that electronically fired Remington 700?
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:35:56 PM EDT
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Remington did it back in the 90s.
Great triggers. Stupid expensive to reload. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:36:41 PM EDT
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Remington Etronx.
I had one in 220 swift at one point.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:38:49 PM EDT
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Remington Etronx. I had one in 220 swift at one point. No shit? I thought they were battery powered. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No shit? I thought they were battery powered. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remington Etronx. I had one in 220 swift at one point. No shit? I thought they were battery powered. Yeah they were, but close enough.... It used electriconically fire ammo, and weird primers. . Kind of wish I still had it, although it would be as useful as a pin fired pistol. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:43:04 PM EDT
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CVA made an electrically fired muzzleloader called the Electra. They don't make it anymore.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:44:25 PM EDT
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Yeah they were, but close enough.... It used electrically fired primers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remington Etronx. I had one in 220 swift at one point. No shit? I thought they were battery powered. Yeah they were, but close enough.... It used electrically fired primers. Just did some more reading and apparently the RPG-7 uses a piezoelectric system...it's a little outside the scope of what I'm talking about though. I'm just surprised we don't have some 18th century PE rifles, even prototypes or failed attempts. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:47:10 PM EDT
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CVA made an electrically fired muzzleloader called the Electra. They don't make it anymore. Still used a battery (good find though). I'm picturing a mechanical PE igniter; either self contained in the cartridge using the firing pin force ( in a conventional gun), or part of the firearm itself. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:49:51 PM EDT
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Mechanically striking a piezo crystal to generate electricity for igniting the primer in a cartridge...
...really isn't any simpler or more reliable than directly striking the primer itself. Also, the use of an electric spark to ignite the primer implies relatively high voltages - which don't tolerate wet environments. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:53:46 PM EDT
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I know where you can buy primers, probably more than you can use.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:54:34 PM EDT
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Mechanically striking a piezo crystal to generate electricity for igniting the primer in a cartridge... ...really isn't any simpler or more reliable than directly striking the primer itself. Also, the use of an electric spark to ignite the primer implies relatively high voltages - which don't tolerate wet environments. Yea, I realize it probably isn't that practical, just surprised there's not some wacky example somewhere in history. Part of the reason I'm so intrigued is thinking about reloadable rimfire sans priming compound. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:11:31 PM EDT
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Also, if you're igniting a primer with high voltage, how do you keep static electricity from also igniting it?
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:31:00 PM EDT
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how do you keep static electricity from also igniting it? 
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:34:13 PM EDT
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how do you keep static electricity from also igniting it? OK, how does that short out the "bad" high voltage, without also shorting out the "good" high voltage? |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:34:26 PM EDT
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Also, if you're igniting a primer with high voltage, how do you keep static electricity from also igniting it? Rubber mags? 
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:42:08 PM EDT
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Remington did it back in the 90s. Great triggers. Stupid expensive to reload. Do they still not make them? Chambered for 220 Swift, 22-250 Remington, and 243 Win, the Model 700 EtronX is available in limited quantities. Have your local dealer contact Zanders Sporting Goods for ordering details. Key Features: MODEL 700™ ETRONX™ Caliber Mag. Cap. Barrel Length Rate of Twist Overall Length Avg. Wt. (lbs.) Order No. MSRP 220 Swift 4 26" 14" 45 7/8" 8 7/8 26400 $1,999 22-250 Remington 4 26" 14" 45 7/8" 8 7/8 26402 $1,999 243 Win 4 26" 9 1/8" 45 7/8" 8 7/8 26404 $1,999 LOP: 13 3/8"; Drop at Comb: 1 5/8"; Drop at Heel: 1 1/4" http://www.midwayusa.com/product/831855/remington-etronx-electronic-primers-box-of-1000-10-trays-of-100 |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:46:28 PM EDT
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OP, maybe you should ask this guy:
http://ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/lorgir_pistol/lorgir_pistol.html 
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:05:18 PM EDT
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OP, maybe you should ask this guy: http://ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/lorgir_pistol/lorgir_pistol.html http://ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/lorgir_pistol/lgp_pics/grip_elect_sm.jpg That's the kinda stuff I'm looking for. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:14:06 PM EDT
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Just did some more reading and apparently the RPG-7 uses a piezoelectric system... it's a little outside the scope of what I'm talking about though. I'm just surprised we don't have some 18th century PE rifles, even prototypes or failed attempts. You are a long way OFF on the RPG. RPG tube is a precussion system to fire the grenade. The warhead uses 
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:17:20 PM EDT
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If for anything else, I don't want electronics in my guns? Mechanical crap can't be hacked, can't be "backdoored," etc
Mechanical stuff either works, or it doesn't. That's a quality that I desire in a firearm. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:45:55 PM EDT
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If for anything else, I don't want electronics in my guns? Mechanical crap can't be hacked, can't be "backdoored," etc Mechanical stuff either works, or it doesn't. That's a quality that I desire in a firearm. Piezoelectric stuff is more or less mechanical. Pretty much just smacking a crystal or ceramic to generate a charge. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 3:22:27 PM EDT
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I managed to resist buying the Etronix.
I just couldn't see it happening at that point; cost promised to outweigh advantage. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 3:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are a long way OFF on the RPG. RPG tube is a precussion system to fire the grenade. The warhead uses http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/Giaosuech/m72impactsensor-doan-s1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just did some more reading and apparently the RPG-7 uses a piezoelectric system... it's a little outside the scope of what I'm talking about though. I'm just surprised we don't have some 18th century PE rifles, even prototypes or failed attempts. You are a long way OFF on the RPG. RPG tube is a precussion system to fire the grenade. The warhead uses http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/Giaosuech/m72impactsensor-doan-s1.jpg |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:58:19 PM EDT
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He said RPG-7 not an M72 LAW. Oh, and as a result you are wrong. The -7 is a piezoelectric fuze for the warhead. Delbaeth. you got me. oh SNAP. I used a LAW rocket cut away because that was easy to pull up.
PG7. 
And you are wrong. RPG7scan fire differnt types of warheads 
Stay in your lane A&M Tech1 |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:56:44 PM EDT
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Just did some more reading and apparently the RPG-7 uses a piezoelectric system...it's a little outside the scope of what I'm talking about though. I'm just surprised we don't have some 18th century PE rifles, even prototypes or failed attempts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remington Etronx. I had one in 220 swift at one point. No shit? I thought they were battery powered. Yeah they were, but close enough.... It used electrically fired primers. Just did some more reading and apparently the RPG-7 uses a piezoelectric system...it's a little outside the scope of what I'm talking about though. I'm just surprised we don't have some 18th century PE rifles, even prototypes or failed attempts. That fires the warhead, not the propulsion. It sits at the forward end of the standoff cone, to set the correct distance for the shaped charge. It needs to hit something hard (like armor) to go high order. A pyro designer I worked with believed that hitting something soft, like a car or a house, wouldn't set one off. Any experience here on ARF? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That fires the warhead, not the propulsion. It sits at the forward end of the standoff cone, to set the correct distance for the shaped charge. It needs to hit something hard (like armor) to go high order.
A pyro designer I worked with believed that hitting something soft, like a car or a house, wouldn't set one off. Any experience here on ARF? Wasn't there a Marine hit with one that didn't explode? Don't know that he survived the embedded warhead, but I seem to remember he made it to the evac clinic. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:43:47 PM EDT
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I saw one hit a car and explode in Mosul. I can't promise it didn't hit something structural, though. Shit was wrecked.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:17:04 AM EDT
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You need a more complex primer, making less reliable. Sure, larger ammunition like 20mm and above sometimes have it.
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