Posted: 5/12/2014 8:39:08 AM EDT
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I have used Tractor Supply permethrin on my dogs and never had a tick problem but this year its not working. i have pulled 6 ticks out so far. I hear good things about K9 Advantix II but its main ingredient is permethrin. Im mixing it per the instructions. Can I make it a little stronger or is that a bad idea?
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| Permethrin resistant ticks? That's the problem with most pesticides, without rotating with something that has a different mode of action, many times the pests will become resistant to the pesticide. I see it all the time in the Ag industry. And you hear about it in the healthcare industry too with resistant strains that no longer respond to antibiotics. |
| I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. |
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Just curious, but the stuff doesn't get washed off in the laundry? |
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Just curious, but the stuff doesn't get washed off in the laundry? It does. You have to retreat your clothes every so many washes. I forget how many though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Just curious, but the stuff doesn't get washed off in the laundry? Nope--that's the beauty of it. The commercial cans (similar to OFF!) seem to have disappeared from stores, but they said it would persist through six washings. I've watched ticks crawl up my pant leg, make it half way to my knee, turn 90*, go an inch or two, then just fall off. It's a thing of beauty! 
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It will wash off after 4 or 5 washes (or at least lose it's serious effectiveness).
We have tested it in the field. 2 surveyors who do not treat their clothes and 2 scientists to do treat their clothes. Both groups walking through the same area, same paths, same trails, same forest areas. The scientists with the treated clothes found none at the end of the day. The surveyors found a combined total of 22 between them at the end of the day. |
| I just use this stuff. Put a stripe down her back before camping, and she doesn't get ticks. |
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Havn't noticed the Ticks or fleas ignoring Permethrin around here. Only picked three off of me so far, and the stock tags in the laces seem to be working.
We use quite a bit of Pyrethin based insecticides in rotation with several other classes, and no tolerance has been observed in our fields. Not yet anyway. We switched to Bio-spot for the pooches last fall, because of a sale on Amazon, and so far so good. (Etofenprox (30.0%), (S)-Methoprene (3.6%), Piperonyl Butoxide (5.0%), Other ingredients (61.4%)) It is spring and the initial population explosion of the year is under way, so a few will get on the dogs and then die over a day or two. The sheer numbers from them bieng moved around all winter on mice, to areas not yet treated is a problem every year. As soon as I bomb the yard and edges of the woodlot around the house, there wont be any to breed again. Heads up. If there is a tick problem, there is a mouse problem you're not seeing yet. 
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Ticks are bad here again this year.
Permethrin on the dogs and clothes is still very effective for us. I do plan on trying tick tubes this year to help knock down the population. We are also getting a few dozen Guinea Fowl as well. |
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Same. I haven't seen any decrease in its effectiveness. We got a big bottle of it with a spray top and just treat...everything. 
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<snip> Heads up. If there is a tick problem, there is a mouse problem you're not seeing yet. I'd bet deer and turkeys do a great deal more to move them around. One would think, but the extension bug guys have done a LOT of study on it. On years when mouse and vole populations are up, tick mobility and numbers are way up, thanks to the little boogers bieng a mini Tick bus for nymphs in the early spring. By sheer numbers they win over the area advantage of deer. Turkeys...not so much. They actively hunt ticks and preen each other constantly. If you're looking for the spray Permathrin for clothing and can't find it down there, just holler. It's still sold at the grain elevators around here, and at the Ag Chem supply shops by the case...Wilbur-Ellis, Helena, etc. should have it down there as well. Dunno if Illinois has it labeled as RUP or not. |
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I buy the concentrate and dilute it to spray on my hunting clothes, still works great for me.
For my coonhound, who lives outside, I attach one of these to her collar: Y-Tex Python Insecticide Cattle Ear Tag. Lasts around 6 months. |
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If there is a tick problem, there is a mouse problem you're not seeing yet. The dogs pick up a few ticks, haven't seen mice... but we do have several 5 foot black snakes that live in the area. Perhaps that's why... IIRC at the barn they alternate treating with pyrethrin and permethrin periodically. |
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Do you just dilute it with water? Do you use that same solution on your dog(s) too? |
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Do you just dilute it with water? Do you use that same solution on your dog(s) too? Read this. I picked up my concentrate at Tractor Supply. Homemade Permethrin Tick Spray |
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I buy the concentrate and dilute it to spray on my hunting clothes, still works great for me. For my coonhound, who lives outside, I attach one of these to her collar: Y-Tex Python Insecticide Cattle Ear Tag. Lasts around 6 months. Stock tags in the boot laces flat works! Even when wearing shorts. Looks kinda goofy in town, but who cares.
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The dogs pick up a few ticks, haven't seen mice... but we do have several 5 foot black snakes that live in the area. Perhaps that's why... IIRC at the barn they alternate treating with pyrethrin and permethrin periodically. Quoted:
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If there is a tick problem, there is a mouse problem you're not seeing yet. The dogs pick up a few ticks, haven't seen mice... but we do have several 5 foot black snakes that live in the area. Perhaps that's why... IIRC at the barn they alternate treating with pyrethrin and permethrin periodically. 
5' Black snakes don't get that big on Jenny Craig...damn! I'd name 'em and put a collar on them. 
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Do you just dilute it with water? Do you use that same solution on your dog(s) too? Read this. I picked up my concentrate at Tractor Supply. Homemade Permethrin Tick Spray Yup--that's it, one oz. concentrate to a quart spray bottle of water. Oh, and the "warning" against getting it on your skin is NOT a safety issue. It's harmless to humans, but becomes inactive after 20 minutes on one's skin. It's not dangerous. Dunno about the cat reference, but that sounds like a bonus. 
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Yup--that's it, one oz. concentrate to a quart spray bottle of water. Oh, and the "warning" against getting it on your skin is NOT a safety issue. It's harmless to humans, but becomes inactive after 20 minutes on one's skin. It's not dangerous. Dunno about the cat reference, but that sounds like a bonus. Quoted:
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I've heard nothing of it not working. Perhaps you got a bad batch? I'd buy the concentrate (Amazon) and mix my own. That's what we do and only have to spray our pants and boots twice a summer--April and August. It's VERY rare to see a tick, and in heavily-infested country. Do you just dilute it with water? Do you use that same solution on your dog(s) too? Read this. I picked up my concentrate at Tractor Supply. Homemade Permethrin Tick Spray Yup--that's it, one oz. concentrate to a quart spray bottle of water. Oh, and the "warning" against getting it on your skin is NOT a safety issue. It's harmless to humans, but becomes inactive after 20 minutes on one's skin. It's not dangerous. Dunno about the cat reference, but that sounds like a bonus. Haha... I loved finding this because the aerosol spray was so expensive. I can treat ALL of my hunting clothes and not give a second thought to cost. I also spray the inside of the doghouse every year. We've been spring turkey hunting for a week or so and haven't had a deer tick on us yet. |
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I'd switch treatment chemicals. Bugs are develop resistance the same way bacteria do.
I've used Biospot on my dogs just because it was cheap and it worked and I've met more than one guy wearing flea collars around the cuffs of their pants to keep the bugs off. I had a friend who claimed he was stationed in Columbia and wore a flea collar around his neck to keep the bugs off. Of course he may have embellished the details. |
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Haha... I loved finding this because the aerosol spray was so expensive. I can treat ALL of my hunting clothes and not give a second thought to cost. I also spray the inside of the doghouse every year. We've been spring turkey hunting for a week or so and haven't had a deer tick on us yet. Quoted:
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. Haha... I loved finding this because the aerosol spray was so expensive. I can treat ALL of my hunting clothes and not give a second thought to cost. I also spray the inside of the doghouse every year. We've been spring turkey hunting for a week or so and haven't had a deer tick on us yet. This is the start of our fourth season with the same bottle of concentrate--and it's half full. $22 shipped, on Amazon. 
I just went and looked and I have it labeled as 1.6 oz/qt. |
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Anything you can buy over the counter for fleas will not work. All over the counter tick products take ~1 to 2 days to kill the tick. It is very common for people to think they don't have a flea or a tick problem. If they see fleas their first instinct is to go buy something over the counter. They should start with their veterinarian but perception is realty and people think that they can get something just as good from Tractor Supply, Wal-Mart, etc. Those products will eventually kill the flea or the tick but veterinarians say they don't work because the don't kill fleas fast. 1 flea will bite your dog 400x a day. 1 flea will lay 20 to 50 eggs a day every day of its life. The important thing to remember is if we don't kill the fleas quickly then they can lay lots of eggs which means you never control the life cycle. Also if we don't kill the fleas quickly then the fleas can bite the dog or cat many times eventually crossing their flea allergy threshold resulting in a dog/cat that scratches and chews excessively. Too much scratching and they will create a skin infection. Veterinary based products will kill fleas in minutes. The tick is tougher but if we can kill it before 24hrs then we prevent the spread of tick borne diseases. All the research I have read and what we are taught in vet school is that tick borne diseases in veterinary medicine take 24 to 48 hours to spread after a tick bites a dog/cat. There are two new products that will kill fleas quickly and ticks quickly. Frontline Tritak (the new and improved version of Frontline Plus) will kill fleas within minutes and ticks by 8 hours. Frontline Tritak is a topically product meaning you squirt it from a tube onto the skin of your dog or cat. NexGard is a chewable flea and tick preventative for dogs only. It kills fleas and ticks a little slower than Frontline Tritak but much quicker than anything over the counter.
Dawn baths work great but as soon as the dog goes back into environment (ie house and/or yard) then they get reinvested with fleas. I hope this information helps everyone make better decisions for their dogs/cats. Also, if your veterinarian doesn't undercut PetMeds.com like I do then ask if their will price match with them. That should help you save a few extra bucks. |
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This is the start of our fourth season with the same bottle of concentrate--and it's half full. $22 shipped, on Amazon.
I just went and looked and I have it labeled as 1.6 oz/qt. Quoted:
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. Haha... I loved finding this because the aerosol spray was so expensive. I can treat ALL of my hunting clothes and not give a second thought to cost. I also spray the inside of the doghouse every year. We've been spring turkey hunting for a week or so and haven't had a deer tick on us yet. This is the start of our fourth season with the same bottle of concentrate--and it's half full. $22 shipped, on Amazon.
I just went and looked and I have it labeled as 1.6 oz/qt. Thanks to both of you for the info so far. I'm still wondering if I can use this on the dogs instead of Frontline or similar. If so, do you have to bathe them in it, spray it on them, trickle a little on their back...? |
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Thanks to both of you for the info so far. I'm still wondering if I can use this on the dogs instead of Frontline or similar. If so, do you have to bathe them in it, spray it on them, trickle a little on their back...? Quoted:
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. Thanks to both of you for the info so far. I'm still wondering if I can use this on the dogs instead of Frontline or similar. If so, do you have to bathe them in it, spray it on them, trickle a little on their back...? I'm out of dogs right now, but you would have to thoroughly saturate them in order to make it effective. I would try a spray bottle but thoroughly cover every inch. A true "dip" would be better, but would use a lot of chemical, and not be worth it for one dog. It's too bad fenthion went away. 
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Thanks to both of you for the info so far. I'm still wondering if I can use this on the dogs instead of Frontline or similar. If so, do you have to bathe them in it, spray it on them, trickle a little on their back...? Quoted:
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. Haha... I loved finding this because the aerosol spray was so expensive. I can treat ALL of my hunting clothes and not give a second thought to cost. I also spray the inside of the doghouse every year. We've been spring turkey hunting for a week or so and haven't had a deer tick on us yet. This is the start of our fourth season with the same bottle of concentrate--and it's half full. $22 shipped, on Amazon.
I just went and looked and I have it labeled as 1.6 oz/qt. Thanks to both of you for the info so far. I'm still wondering if I can use this on the dogs instead of Frontline or similar. If so, do you have to bathe them in it, spray it on them, trickle a little on their back...? Are you asking due to cost or because Frontline isn't working for you? I use Frontline Plus (mainly for ticks) on my dogs as well as Trifexes (for worms, fleas, etc) and the combo seems to work well for them. |
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Are you asking due to cost or because Frontline isn't working for you? I use Frontline Plus (mainly for ticks) on my dogs as well as Trifexes (for worms, fleas, etc) and the combo seems to work well for them. A little of both. One's 10 and one's 9 and we've used Frontline on them pretty much all their life-it's not cheap. Also, with the talk of switching things up every now and then to maintain effectiveness, I was hoping I could kill two ticks with one stone before I head to the farm this weekend. |