Posted: 11/28/2016 10:55:39 AM EDT
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I'd like to find a conversion kit that works. It will be used for teaching Scouts to shoot.
What are my best options? |
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Just buy a decent bolt action. It costs less than a conversion kit, is more accurate, and won't foul up your AR with vaporized lead and powder residue like the kits do. Also, unless you have a dedicated barrel with the proper rifling, a conversion kit in an AR is incapable of producing the accuracy needed for the rifle merit badge.
I have been picking up Remington 510 and 511 rifles for my scouts (I have 3 of each - I am a rifle merit badge counselor). They can usually be had for the same price as a conversion kit or less. An AR conversion is mostly a range toy. Get them taught on a dedicated 22 bolt gun, you will get much better results. I have been down that same road with my scouts and the bolt guns are superior for teaching them what they need to know. Once they have their marksmanship down, go ahead and let them have fun with the AR conversion. Mine usually go back to the bolt gun at the range because it is so much more consistent in hitting their target. ETA - for those who don't know, the marksmanship requirement for the rifle merit badge is 5 three shot groups at 50 feet that can be covered by a quarter (for .22 rifle, there are air rifle and muzzle loader options as well). Iron sights. |
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For an AR ?
New shooters have a hard enough time hitting center mass let alone the bullseye. Get a dedicated upper. It will cost more than a conversion kit but they are much more accurate. That accuracy helps inspire confidence. Another option is a good used bolt action. If you cruise the the pawn shops you should be able to pick up one or two nice nice ones for less than the cost of a conversion kit |
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I would just go ahead and buy a dedicated .22 upper from CMMG. Quoted:
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It is for an AR I would just go ahead and buy a dedicated .22 upper from CMMG. I own a conversion kit and agree. It'll cost more initially but is more likely to function reliably and will be more accurate. I probably have 20k+ rounds through my conversion. Out of a Bushmaster 1:9 barrel I average about 6 MOA, out of a Daniel Defense 1:7 it averages 20 MOA. I'm an Appleseed shoot boss and have seen lots of every possible option. Dedicated .22 uppers are the way to go or buy an M&P 15/22. |
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I agree that the dedicated uppers are slightly more accurate but the difference isn't something the scouts will pick up on.
If you go with a ceiner/Cmmg , after they have broken in CCi STD will generally run ok and is more accurate in most guns than high velocity. In theory 1/12 twist should work better and a 1/9 should be better than 1/7 twist. In my case the one 1/12 shoots about as well as several 1/9 uppers I have and my most accurate uppers are a 1/8 stag varmint and a 1/8 RRNM upper. I have friends with 1/7 uppers that are kind of sloppy when you put them against something else but again nothing a bunch of boy scouts shooting offhand at 10 or 15 yards are going to notice. Don't worry about clogging the gas tube, on a couple of occasions I have shot a couple of bricks in a upper non stop and the first 5.56 functioned perfect when tried. I believe this old wife's tale got started with guys shooting suppressed and full auto with conversions. S&W M&P22 is a decent rig at about the same price as some of the dedicated uppers. I have found the conversions work best without oil. I use silicon spray from the hardware store or one of the "dry lubes" which are generally Teflon. Supposedly graphite is bad for ARs because it doesn't get along with aluminum. Any blow back 22 on a AR (conversion or dedicated will blow crud down into the trigger group so have a can of brake cleaner to blow that all out after shooting I have helped out at several scout shoots at my club and the AR is always a big hit. One issue is always the smaller scouts don't fit many of the full sized guns . My short light barrel carbine with the adjustable stock is just the ticket and the AR irons are way easier than the buckhorn sights found on many regular rifles |
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As others have said.
Get dedicated "CMMG" 22 upper and this.. http://www.taccom3g.com/22rf-reliability-kit.html It will run better than most Ruger10/22s with the reliability kit installed. |
