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Posted: 1/13/2005 10:10:42 AM EDT

I got some double walled plastic beer mugs and they have this goop between the walls that you freeze and it keeps your beer cold.  So cold in fact your beer will freeze in the mug and cause an ice crystal ring to form.  If you remove this ice ring and discard it you have committed a felony. (WTF?) The ATF views removing the ice “also called jacking” just like distilling as your making the alcoholic beverage more potent.

You can’t legally remove ice from your frozen beer mug without a federal govt. distiller’s license
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:12:20 AM EDT


You're going to the big house.

Don't drop the soap.

Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:13:15 AM EDT
we need a link to these mugs!
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:14:42 AM EDT
I think I hear the black helicoptors firing up
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:15:19 AM EDT
Come and get me.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:15:42 AM EDT
Molon Labe
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:15:45 AM EDT
Heck, I bet that's only a misdemeanor!  If not, see if you can cop a plea.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:16:03 AM EDT
Isn't it legal to produce alcahol for personal consumption?
My dad made beer for years.
He even went to a store to purchase supplies.
It had brewing supplies on the sign.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:17:21 AM EDT
Makes sense. Freeze the water and remove it in solid form, and what is left over has a higher alcohol content than before.

Never thought of that.

Course, I don't drink.

I think that if you started reselling the product of this for profit and producing it in fairly large quantities, that the ATFE would pay attention. If it is just some dude with a beer mug trying to get a cold one, I would sincerely hope that the ATFE would have more important things to worry about.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:17:51 AM EDT
I'll just drink the evidence. Fuck 'em!
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:17:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sonofbp:
Isn't it legal to produce alcahol for personal consumption?
My dad made beer for years.
He even went to a store to purchase supplies.
It had brewing supplies on the sign.



Hard Liquor/ Distilled Spirits

Wine and Beer are OK.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:18:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:23:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2005 10:24:46 AM EDT by DDiggler]
I believe that the law is that you can't distill alcohol, but you can remove water by freezing.

I will check with a co-worker who is more knowledgeable than I.

ETA:  I froze a keg once.  Got you drunker than hell with about one glass for a while, then when it thawed we were slamming beers left and right trying to catch a buzz.  The wives were drinking mixed drinks and we actually enjoyed watching them get inebriated, and they thought we were drunk too because of the amount we drank.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:25:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:

You're going to the big house.

Don't drop the soap.




"And I'm not talking some country club prison, I mean a federal pound-you-in-the-azz prison." - Office Space
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:28:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:30:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sonofbp:
Isn't it legal to produce alcahol for personal consumption?
My dad made beer for years.
He even went to a store to purchase supplies.
It had brewing supplies on the sign.



You can make beer and wine for personal consumption without a license or permit.

You cannot distill alcohol under any circumstances without a permit.

I didn't read anything about partially freezing and removing the ice on the ATF website.
But it wouldn't surprise me.

It is against the law for a grade school science project  to demonstrate how to make
ethanol, even if it is only to be used as fuel.

Dave
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:35:11 AM EDT

I tore the "DO NOT REMOVE" tag from my matteress
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:37:33 AM EDT
If I remember correctly some of the German "ice beers" have been banned from importation because they use a similiar process and the ATF goons decided that it amounted to distillation.  


Government idiocy at its finest.  
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:38:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

I tore the "DO NOT REMOVE" tag from my matteress


here come the jackbooted BATFM agents
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:38:22 AM EDT
f' it... if you like your beer like that... then ---

That's what they do to Icehouse and stuff like that to jack up the content unnaturally.  All the crappy "ice" beers do that.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:39:00 AM EDT
Isn't "ice beer" still "beer", which is legal to make?

Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:40:18 AM EDT
If you have a particularly nasty brew, like say Molson Ice(co-inky-dink), it tastes a lot better if frozen and then run through a sieve to remove the ice.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:41:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sonofbp:
Isn't it legal to produce alcahol for personal consumption?
My dad made beer for years.
He even went to a store to purchase supplies.
It had brewing supplies on the sign.



Beer and wine is ok. Just dont distill your alcohol.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:44:22 AM EDT
Here's your link TexRdnec

Frost Mugs


ByteTheBullet  (-:
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:45:10 AM EDT
stop all this illegal yapping if you know whats good fer yer dogs....
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:48:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Molon Labe Labatt



There, fixed it for ya...
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:49:42 AM EDT
Did you know in TX it's illegal to take more than three sips of beer at a time while standing.

Also: The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a formula for making beer at home.

In Galveston: No person shall inhale fumes from model glue.  
and
One needs permission from the director of parks and recreation before getting drunk in any city park.

In Houston: Beer may not be purchased after midnight on a Sunday, but it may be purchased on Monday.

Port Author: Not beer related, but just too funny - Obnoxious odors may not be emitted while in an elevator.

Temple: You can ride your horse in the saloon.
BUT
No one may ride a horse and buggy through the town square.  

www.dumblaws.com/laws.php?site=laws&cid=184®ion=43
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:50:23 AM EDT
Sorry, I gotta raise the flag on this one.

Link Posted: 1/13/2005 10:53:42 AM EDT
But if you chill your canned beer in ice and salt, you get the same effect if you drink the beer and throw the icy can away.

Yep, I am a felon,  a FEDERAL felon.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 11:14:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2005 11:16:07 AM EDT by hk940]
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 11:22:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DScott:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Molon Labe Labatt



There, fixed it for ya...



Molsen Labatt!!!!
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 11:23:25 AM EDT
ever drink outside and get one of those nasty azz green and brown slugs crawling on your beer?

Link Posted: 1/13/2005 11:26:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hk940:
looking at ATF i found this

ice beer



So, you may remove the ice as long as it constitutes less than .5% by volume.  If you remove more than that, you must replace it with tap water, then put on your tin foil hat and hide under the bed.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 11:34:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:

You're going to the big house.

Don't drop the soap.




Link Posted: 1/13/2005 11:38:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2005 11:38:40 AM EDT by Rocky9_5]
no but I commited conspiracy to remove tags from funiture.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 11:54:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dawg_killer:

Originally Posted By hk940:
looking at ATF i found this

ice beer



So, you may remove the ice as long as it constitutes less than .5% by volume.  If you remove more than that, you must replace it with tap water, then put on your tin foil hat and hide under the bed.



I want my 5 minutes back for reading all that.  What DK said seems about correct, however all that seems to apply only to the originally distillery or the importer of "beer consentrate" .  I read no worries about freezing you beer for consumption.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 12:19:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dwebb210:

Originally Posted By sonofbp:
Isn't it legal to produce alcahol for personal consumption?
My dad made beer for years.
He even went to a store to purchase supplies.
It had brewing supplies on the sign.



You can make beer and wine for personal consumption without a license or permit.

You cannot distill alcohol under any circumstances without a permit.

I didn't read anything about partially freezing and removing the ice on the ATF website.
But it wouldn't surprise me.

It is against the law for a grade school science project  to demonstrate how to make
ethanol, even if it is only to be used as fuel.

Dave



Hmmm...I distinctly remember distilling ethanol during organic chemistry class during college.  I also distinctly remember drinking just a little bit too.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 12:30:44 PM EDT
Chilling beer to that extreme ruins the taste. I hate it when I am out and they give me a frosted mug. Just like mainstream beer is designed to NOT taste like beer, serving it in a frozen mug removes any beer taste it may have had less.

I order a beer I ask for a non frosted mug. If I order a beer, I want it to taste like one.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 12:32:47 PM EDT
Has anyone ever heard of them enforcing this? Or enforcing the "do not remove under penalty of law" mattress tags thing?
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 12:33:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By phatmax:

Originally Posted By sonofbp:
Isn't it legal to produce alcahol for personal consumption?
My dad made beer for years.
He even went to a store to purchase supplies.
It had brewing supplies on the sign.



Hard Liquor/ Distilled Spirits

Wine and Beer are OK.



You can legally make anything alcoholic you want, it can only be for personal use and below a certain amount, which differs from state to state.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 12:44:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'll just drink the evidence. Fuck 'em!

Link Posted: 1/13/2005 12:45:45 PM EDT
I have done many unmentionable acts.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 12:53:39 PM EDT
IFTT
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 4:03:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chimborazo:
IFTT



WTF is that???
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 4:13:16 PM EDT
Your not just going to jail...

YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 4:30:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Drakich:

Originally Posted By dwebb210:

Originally Posted By sonofbp:
Isn't it legal to produce alcahol for personal consumption?
My dad made beer for years.
He even went to a store to purchase supplies.
It had brewing supplies on the sign.



You can make beer and wine for personal consumption without a license or permit.

You cannot distill alcohol under any circumstances without a permit.

I didn't read anything about partially freezing and removing the ice on the ATF website.
But it wouldn't surprise me.

It is against the law for a grade school science project  to demonstrate how to make
ethanol, even if it is only to be used as fuel.

Dave



Hmmm...I distinctly remember distilling ethanol during organic chemistry class during college.  I also distinctly remember drinking just a little bit too.


Do you think perhaps your school had a permit?
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