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Posted: 10/27/2004 7:34:10 AM EST
Alright, just purchased a new house a few months ago and the payment is killing me right now until I can get some other bills paid off(timeline of 12-18 months). About the only big bill that I have left is my beloved 02 Sportrac. I am considering selling it to get something cheaper, and then refinancing at more months to drop the payment for a while......Used to own a couple of Mustang GT's and a used 00'(what I had before) is definately on the radar. Always fought the Minivan urge, even though we have 2 toddlers and it would be very useful.....but ever since seeing GWB in Destin a couple of months ago with his 2 secret service snipers jumping out of a Ford Windstar I'm starting to think maybe Minivans aren't THAT bad........help........If I get a minivan it would definately be something used and inexpensive so I could get an 05' GT in a couple years, or a used 85-89 911.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 7:35:45 AM EST
You do it and next thing you know you'll be hosting "Queer eye for the straight guy"
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 7:37:26 AM EST
uh, they're gay?
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 7:40:53 AM EST
Pick up a short wheel base Chevy Astro work/utility van with the 4.6 Liter V6.

My dad had one when he worked for NEC.
Things have great power and work realy well to haul a load of guns out to the desert, or in your case the woods.

+ no stupid rear side glass.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 7:48:18 AM EST
"Soccer Mom", thats what you'll hear from now on.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 7:57:39 AM EST
We have a Chevy Venture. It has good power and a 4x8 bed when you take out the back seats - bigger than my truck! It has been reliable and gets a lot better mileage than an SUV, plus it is easier to park and drive around town. It has been ideal for our family.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:01:07 AM EST
It's a trap!

If you buy a minivan your wife will immediately become pregnant with twins.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:04:13 AM EST
Toyota Tacoma 2005 double cab is a lot better
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:06:50 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:13:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 8:15:54 AM EST by NotMrWizard]
MINIVAN = Manhood Is Not Intact, Vasectomized And Neutered.h
Edit: To add winking smiley to not offend anyone!
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:21:09 AM EST
Every car I've ever owned was a Mustang.

Now I have an 01 Oddyssy. I also have an F-150, so I can blame my wife for the van. It is the most practical vehicle on the road. It has the room of an Excursion but drives like an accord. You won't get any cool points, but you will love it, especially with kids. You know, the same cars that are cool at 23, aren't practical at 33. Mustangs will always be around for later.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:24:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 9:51:48 AM EST by GunLvrPHD]
I like most minivans. When I was shopping for used minivans I did a lot of research on crash tests. Most of the US-made vans do not do very well in crashes (including the Astro). Honda and Toyota both get high marks from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (highwaysafety.org). So I bought a Suburban (a Tahoe or Expedition would also work for a family).

If I were to get a minivan, I like the new Town and Country (2005) and the newer Sienna the best. The Chrysler minivans need good maintenance done on their transmissions (flush and filter change) unless you want to by a new transmission before 100k miles. The Astro is an interesting van with the 4.3L six but it lacks a driver's side sliding door which you really need with smaller kids. Any idea if GM will ever add the driver's side sliding door?

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:29:25 AM EST
Buying a minivan is proof that you are giving up any hope of being cool. Don't do it (because your debt is already too high, not because of a coolness factor).
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:31:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 8:33:09 AM EST by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:31:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1Walker:
You do it and next thing you know you'll be hosting "Queer eye for the straight guy"



Even THEY arrive in a Suburban!
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:33:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 8:34:30 AM EST by 1Walker]
LOL I can honestly say I have not watched it. Thanks for the info
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:34:03 AM EST
For minivans, most dealerships require a non-refundable deposit of two testicles.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:35:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 8:40:29 AM EST by rockymass]
I have a 2000 GMC Safari, it's been a great vehicle to haul the kids around in. IIRC, the Astro/Safari is the last minivan built on a truck frame, hope I'm not wrong there....all I know for sure is I sit up higher than most other minivans while driving down the road. The height is comparable to my F150.

Don't sweat the childish gay comments, you do what's best for your kids and there'll be no doubt you're a man.

Edited fer speeling.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:36:20 AM EST
My wife bought a Honda Odyssey a couple of months ago and I must say it's nice if you have wee-ones. I don't drive it much be she enjoys the hell out of it. The DVD player is great for kids and the van is perfect for getting car seats in and out of.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:48:16 AM EST
Most people who own SUV's wind up spending a ton more only to use them like minvans/station wagons anyway...Unless you need a V8 to tow your toys or you plan to spend time offroad, get a minivan and avoid the hype.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:49:18 AM EST
I don't know, man. Personally, I would NEVER get a minivan. You may as well just cut your nuts off with a steak knife. I think I would go with something else. There are plenty of other options available.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:54:15 AM EST
You need to ask your wife if you can have your testicles back for a little while before we start this conversation.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:57:20 AM EST
, what are you gay dont do it buy a suburban if room is the problem. And dont buy till you can afford it.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:57:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 8:58:50 AM EST by JoeTexas]
my friend has owned a dodge and a ford windstar, he says the windstar is the way to go, a whole lot nicer and more reliable. they may not be cool but i have heard they are a very
comfortable ride.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:58:55 AM EST
I was in the same boat. I resisted the mini-van for a long time but we've got one now and I really enjoy it. It's economical on gas (compared to my V-10 Ford) and I can haul tons of baseball and soccer gear in it. They are pretty spunky too and offer some nice features.

I buy cars and trucks to use. To me, they are a mode of transportation to get me from point "A" to point "B". I'm not out to impress the neighbors.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:58:58 AM EST
Unless your name is Chili Palmer, I would forget it...
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:03:40 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:17:33 AM EST
No real man would ever be caught dead in a frikken minivan. Only sissy's and faggots would ever stoop to drive one! JUST KIDDING! But seriously get a SUV it can do all a mini can and plus go off road if you have to, it would have more capability then a damn sardine can mini! Plus getting a mini is the final step into suburban hell! Just say no!
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:44:30 AM EST
my mother has a 2005 Town and Country.

My friends and I borrowed it for a long road trip, it was awesome. Stow and go seats so that the seats fold into the floor in five seconds, tons of room, tons of accesorieres, very smooth ride. Couple of times I had to slow down because I would think that I was going 65mph, glance at the speedometer and notice we were going 92mph. Lot of pickup and pep.

I myself wouldn't hesitate to buy one, other people's opinions be damned
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:55:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:59:22 AM EST
If I get one it would be something 4-6 years old, because I'm needing to reduce my monthly debt right now compared to the Sport trac. I love SUV's, but gas mileage is a concern, especially with gas prices showing no signs of slowing down. I don't know, my 00' GT that I had before the Sport trac got 26 MPG on the highway, but getting an 18 month old into the child seat in the back would be a pain everyday. My other daughter is 4 now, so she rides in a booster seat so thats no prob......Maybe I should just refinance the Sport trac.......
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:09:12 AM EST
I think most of you might be missing the point... A minivan is the ultimate in uban camoflage and stealth.

Cops don't pull you over 'cause I doesn't look like you're going fast. You can park anywhere and nobody will notice you. You can fit cases of ammo and guns in the back and still have room for your shooting buddies.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:09:30 AM EST
Mini-vans are GIRLY cars!



Except mine which hauls around lots of guns and ammo.

Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:13:50 AM EST
Minivans = gay.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:20:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 6:25:47 PM EST by GodBlessTexas]

Originally Posted By guardian855:
my mother has a 2005 Town and Country.

My friends and I borrowed it for a long road trip, it was awesome. Stow and go seats so that the seats fold into the floor in five seconds, tons of room, tons of accesorieres, very smooth ride. Couple of times I had to slow down because I would think that I was going 65mph, glance at the speedometer and notice we were going 92mph. Lot of pickup and pep.

I myself wouldn't hesitate to buy one, other people's opinions be damned



The Dodge and Chryslers are nice, but they don't hold their value and the build quality is sub-par.

Right now the two that lead the mini-van segment are the Toyota Cienna and the Honda Odyssey in that order. Honda was offering a lease deal on the Odyssey for $249/month for 24 months 15,000 miles/year on the top of the line 04 EX models to get them off the lot because the 05 is a complete redesign. They might still be.

We picked up an 04 on the 48 month lease, and it's been good to us. It has get up and go, gets great gas mileage, and it's roomy as all get out.

Edited because it was 24 months, not 48.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:27:25 AM EST
ford '86 areostar!

standard of course
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:37:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:38:05 AM EST
I think most of you might be missing the point... A minivan is the ultimate in uban camoflage and stealth.

Cops don't pull you over 'cause I doesn't look like you're going fast. You can park anywhere and nobody will notice you. You can fit cases of ammo and guns in the back and still have room for your shooting buddies.


+1
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 10:38:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Green_Canoe:
I think most of you might be missing the point... A minivan is the ultimate in uban camoflage and stealth.

Cops don't pull you over 'cause I doesn't look like you're going fast. You can park anywhere and nobody will notice you. You can fit cases of ammo and guns in the back and still have room for your shooting buddies.



+1

With the back seats removed and the hatch open, you can shoot prone in shade and air-conditioned comfort. Makes it easy to find your brass as well.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 11:01:17 AM EST
GET THE MINI VAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 11:07:40 AM EST
Prior to wedlock I had in my stable an F150 a Porsche944 and a CX650E
Shortly thereafter I was reduced to a Honda civic HB and a Plymouth Minivan... It hurts to type that.
In the quiet moments... when I feel a certain sense of sadness and depression wash over me... And I can't quite get out of the rutt... It dawns on me...
You stooopid idiot. You shouldn't have sold the Porsche
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 11:09:09 AM EST
Jeep Cherokee Sport. Get ahold of yourself.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 11:16:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 11:17:27 AM EST by osprey21]
I hear those mini vans have really nice purse holders in them.

Don't care you say ?



Well you had better care... because riding in that purse are your balls.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 12:28:57 PM EST
Hey, thgere are some REALLY nice MVs out there, sporty ones to with decent power. It doesn't HAVE to be emasculating....

OTOH, you could get a crew cab pick up.

S.O.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 12:49:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
If you are looking for a used Minivan the poor resale value of the chrysler products might be a good thing, in my AO it is not hard at all to find a 99-2000 Caravan for around 6K.



Bingo!

And you're willing to go back a couple of years earlier, you can knock several thousand bucks off that price.

Domestic minivans are currently the best value in the used car market, period. Even if you have to put a couple grand into repairs, you're still WAY ahead in cost over, say, a Suburban (not to mention the ongoing fuel expense).

As for the claim that minivans are 'gay', it would appear that an awful lot of ARFCOM members have serious security issues about their masculinity...
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 12:55:18 PM EST
My wife has a gmc safari and its pretty nice.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 5:42:25 PM EST
When my daughter was born my wife started talking minivan. She wanted to be able to sit up higher and see better while driving. She's short. Which I understand but I don't think she realized how big they are and what it would be like to drive one all the time. When I asked her, "You will be the one driving it right?" When it was met with an uncertain "yes". There was no way I was going to buy one. I would end up driving it. I teach in an elementary school and really like my job and the kids but driving a van would have been the end.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 5:53:07 PM EST
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