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Posted: 11/13/2008 9:33:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2008 12:03:25 PM EDT by Bostonterrier97]
My take...there is no doubt that the community well between Obama and Hillary is poisoned..Offering Hillary a prominent position removes her as a potential obstacle in the Senate for legislation that he want's to pass.

I think..that it is a ploy to force Hillary to resign her Senate Seat..then after she makes a thorough hash of foreign relations..he'll ask for her resignation or will fire her..leaving her shut out in the cold..(politically).

It would a be very elegant way of removing an enemy...
Link Posted: 11/13/2008 9:40:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2008 9:44:51 PM EDT by Bostonterrier97]
comments?
Secretary of State is No. 4 in the Line of Sucession for President...

Its a very very tempting piece of the "forbidden" fruit..he is offering her...
I have to admit...Obama in someways is pretty slick...
Link Posted: 11/13/2008 9:44:36 PM EDT
Hillary as sec of state?  Ohhhhh god....  She will be 4th in line to succeed if something were to happen to Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Ried.......
Link Posted: 11/13/2008 9:47:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kymas23:
Hillary as sec of state?  Ohhhhh god....  She will be 4th in line to succeed if something were to happen to Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Ried.......


Umm.. if we even get to 2nd in line, the world is going down the shitter anyways. Hardly something to worry about.

That said, I don't want that cunt representing the US either way, no fucking way.
Link Posted: 11/13/2008 9:47:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2008 9:52:30 PM EDT by Bostonterrier97]
Originally Posted By Kymas23:
Hillary as sec of state?  Ohhhhh god....  She will be 4th in line to succeed if something were to happen to Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Ried.......


That's Right....

The trouble with Hillary is that she is Polarizing...she pisses people off to no extreme...
Hillary as President would alienate Congress...as Secretary of State she would piss off other leaders...as well as Obama..because Hillary does NOT like taking orders...

She's a Type A personality...

But she is also a very ruthless person...

Having Hillary in the Senate would be good for us..because she would hold up legislation that is precious to the annointed one...and try to gain something from it.

But with Hillary removed..from the Senate..then..Obama can ram home his legislation that he wants...

Once she's Secretary of State..he can fire her whenever he wants...
as long as she is in the Senate..he can't touch her.

BTW: Obama pledged to pay for Hillary's Campaign Debt in return for her Endorsement at the Democratic Convention...

He's been welching on his end of the bargain...and the B_tch is Pissed..

Link Posted: 11/13/2008 9:50:13 PM EDT
Well, given that these two hate each other, wouldn't this serve to make O-Fuck head's administration less effective and more divided??  If thats the case i'm all for it!
Link Posted: 11/13/2008 9:57:42 PM EDT
Note the Familial Resemblance?




Link Posted: 11/14/2008 12:28:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/14/2008 12:30:27 AM EDT by 0699TeufelHnd]
Originally Posted By Kymas23:
Hillary as sec of state?  Ohhhhh god....  She will be 4th in line to succeed if something were to happen to Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Ried.......


#3 is "KKK" Byrd not Reid.

It's the President Pro Tempore of the Senate. Not the Senate Majority Leader.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 12:37:28 AM EDT
Who cares.  She would be better then him.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 5:50:23 AM EDT
Keep your friends, close, your enemies closer?
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 6:04:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/14/2008 6:22:30 AM EDT by Chaingun]
She has more power as a Senator.  As Secretary of State she reports to the "ruler".

She is not pleased with the "ruler", and think she will decline.

Also, the "ruler" is going to make a big mess of things in two years, she doesn't want to be associated to his cabinet.

I hope she takes the job.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 6:19:22 AM EDT
The Whore of Babylon the Great..
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 6:29:47 AM EDT
Making her is SecState would tie her directly to him.  Right now, she would be outside of circle and would be a second choice.  As SecState, she'd be tied directly to his successes and failures.  She couldn't be an independent voice against him in 4 years.

When there's crisis in the next four years, she'll get his stink from the failures.  For the successes, he'll be the point of that and will get praise for making her is SecState if she does anything good.  She'll only be one part of his team during her successes.

Anything good Condi Rice has done is reflected on Pres Bush and anything Bush does wrong is reflected on Rice because she carries out his wishes.

It's a no-win for Hillary.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 7:44:57 AM EDT
Also, this will keep her out of 2012 election.  I can't imagine any sitting cabinet member running against his/her boss.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 7:49:55 AM EDT
And...it begins....


from:http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15625

Obama holds secret meeting with HRC



President-elect Barack Obama met Thursday with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) at his transition headquarters in Chicago as a growing chorus of advisers pushes her for secretary of state.

This would give him a “Team of Rivals” Cabinet that would allow him to focus on the domestic economy while Clinton traveled the world to shore up America’s image with allies.


A clue to the secret visit was contained in a note last night from the protective pool of journalists who follow Obama: “Several minutes before President-elect Obama's motorcade emerged from the basement garage beneath his transition headquarters, another unidentified motorcade of approximately three SUVs left the garage.”

Several officials described the visit to Politico on Friday.

Clinton said during her primary campaign against Obama that she was running, in part, to “restore America's standing in the world,” and she may get her chance to try. Several key Obama transition advisers argue that she would be “force multiplier” for the administration on the global stage.

Among those who like the idea: Bill Daley, an Obama adviser who was commerce secretary under President Bill Clinton.

With rumors swirling that she might join the Cabinet, Clinton said Monday night on the red carpet at Carnegie Hall in New York at the Glamour Women of the Year Awards: "I am happy being a senator from New York; I love this state and this city. I am looking at the long list of things I have to catch up on and do. But I want to be a good partner and I want to do everything I can to make sure his agenda is going to be successful."

Clinton plans to remain coy. She had an event in Albany, N.Y., on Friday but did not plan to answer questions.

The president-elect already has shown signs of valuing proven competence over longtime loyalty, diversity or interest-group wish lists.

“If you want to avoid an early stumble — and he just can’t afford them, for a million reasons — he’s got to have people who know what they’re doing,” a well-plugged-in Democrat explained.

One explanation for Obama’s willingness to consider Clinton for chief diplomat can be found in a January interview he gave to Katie Couric, anchor and managing editor of the “CBS Evening News.” As part of her “Primary Questions” series, Couric asked him what books besides the Bible he would consider essential if he were elected president.

“Doris Kearns Goodwin's book ‘Team of Rivals,’” Obama replied. “It was a biography of Lincoln. And she talks about Lincoln's capacity to bring opponents of his and people who have run against him in his cabinet. And he was confident enough to be willing to have these dissenting voices and confident enough to listen to the American people and push them outside of their comfort zone. And I think that part of what I want to do as president is push Americans a little bit outside of their comfort zone. It's a remarkable study in leadership.”

The once-laughable idea is plausible now in part because Obama is exceedingly confident now, in a way that only someone elected to the presidency of the United States can be. “He doesn’t need anybody right now — he’s on the cusp of becoming a world historic figure,” one adviser said. “This is a much different calculation [than picking a running mate]. He is completely and totally in the driver’s seat.” And during the general election, she campaigned tirelessly on his behalf throughout the country.

Even officials who like the idea threw up strong “caution” flags. Fresh off his electoral triumph, Obama does not feel he needs the Clintons. The president-elect has never liked the idea of Bill Clinton as a back-seat driver. The former president has had many tangled foreign business dealings that could complicate his wife’s entry into an administration that is promising transparency. And at most a few people, none of whom are talking, know what Obama really thinks about all this.

But some Obama advisers argue that Hillary Clinton would be an ideal fit if Obama concludes that he will have to focus his early days in office on the domestic economy, and will have to essentially outsource heavy-duty foreign travel to his secretary of state. Her celebrity and credibility would be a huge asset in his goal of reengaging the United States with allies. “You can send out John Kerry or Chuck Hagel,” said one adviser, mentioning some other candidates for secretary of state. “Sending Hillary Clinton out is better.”

The officials said Clinton becomes even more attractive if Obama retains President Bush’s last secretary of defense, Robert Gates. Some Obama advisers are advocated that course because he would provide cover for drawing down troops in Iraq: Gates has said he believes that is possible, and it would keep Obama out of a fight he can’t afford with Army Gen. David Petraeus, now the head of the U.S. Central Command.

An Obama adviser threw out one final rationale: It’s better to have the Clintons inside the tent than outside, causing trouble.

The Clinton camp refused to comment on the possibility. Senior Adviser Philippe Reines said: “Any speculation about Cabinet or other administration appointments is really for President-elect Obama's transition team to address.”


Told you so...
This boy will put his enemies in cabinet positions where he calls the shots and can fire them at will. All in order to ram his Socialist crap through the House and Senate.

Obama unlike Presidents since FDR doesn't give 2 cents about issues external to the United States. His strategy for creating his own Historical Legacy is changing America.
This means: partial Nationalization of Wall Street, Socialized Medicine, Gun Bans and punitive Ammunition Taxes.
It also means a HUGE increase in Income Taxes.

Bend Over Boys...smile and pretend you're somewhere else..this guy is going to rape our asses..
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 8:12:53 AM EDT
I doubt she takes the job.  It could be good for us if she did––whoever gets appointed to the seat will be tainted by NY's loser governor, and be weak in the 2010 special election.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 8:15:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Chaingun:
She has more power as a Senator.  As Secretary of State she reports to the "ruler".

She is not pleased with the "ruler", and think she will decline.

Also, the "ruler" is going to make a big mess of things in two years, she doesn't want to be associated to his cabinet.

I hope she takes the job.



Yep, it would torpedo both of them. She'll fuck up as Sec of State, he'll get blamed for appointing her.

I think she's too smart to fall for this plus it wouldn't help her political aspirations in 2012.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 8:18:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By Kymas23:
Hillary as sec of state?  Ohhhhh god....  She will be 4th in line to succeed if something were to happen to Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Ried.......


#3 is "KKK" Byrd not Reid.

It's the President Pro Tempore of the Senate. Not the Senate Majority Leader.



Wonder what he thinks about his party's new Messiah?


Link Posted: 11/14/2008 8:21:26 AM EDT
She would be better off turning him down.......


Originally Posted By Chaingun:
She has more power as a Senator.  As Secretary of State she reports to the "ruler".

She is not pleased with the "ruler", and think she will decline.

Also, the "ruler" is going to make a big mess of things in two years, she doesn't want to be associated to his cabinet.

I hope she takes the job.


Link Posted: 11/14/2008 9:33:50 AM EDT
This reminds me of that old Roman saying: First you promote, and you remove.  Or something to that effect.

Say, why are we saying things that'll help both Obama and Hillary?
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 9:35:55 AM EDT
For someone who has spouted "Change" it is beginning to look like the SOS different President.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 9:36:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
My take...there is no doubt that the community well between Obama and Hillary is poisoned..Offering Hillary a prominent position removes her as a potential obstacle in the Senate for legislation that he want's to pass.

I think..that it is a ploy to force Hillary to resign her Senate Seat..then after she makes a thorough hash of foreign relations..he'll ask for her resignation or will fire her..leaving her shut out in the cold..(politically).

It would a be very elegant way of removing an enemy...


Yep, you sir have a diabolical way of looking at things.  I like your style.



Link Posted: 11/14/2008 9:38:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
For someone who has spouted "Change" it is beginning to look like the SOS different President.

BigDozer66


His picks seem to be mostly recycled clin-turds.  America wasn't hoping for that kind of change.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 9:50:06 AM EDT
I fully support Hillary for Secretary of State.


















Gets her the fuck of New York.




-K
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 9:54:16 AM EDT
The president-elect already has shown signs of valuing proven competence over longtime loyalty, diversity or interest-group wish lists.


Make no mistake.  The Obama administration will be ruthlessly efficient and competent.  He will have no problem making his agenda happen.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 10:26:01 AM EDT
As I read on another forum this morning:

"Hillary is as eloquent as a chihuahua in heat."

With her as the Secretary of State she'll either be removed by "Great Leader" or she'll have issues with her foreign counterparts.
Link Posted: 11/14/2008 10:38:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 11:21:31 AM EDT
Fox announced the Hitlery will be the Sec. Of State


Revelations baby.. Revelations..

How long have I been saying that here?

Long time..
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 11:26:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2008 11:27:56 AM EDT by The_Macallan]
She just got raped.

He now OWNS her.

She will do HIS bidding or be GONE.

It'll be HIS way or the highway for her.

The SoS serves the POTUS and is his property, his tool to carry out HIS policies.

She'll be Obama's "House Whitey".


She just got SO bent over and ridden dirty.




ETA: Bloomberg for Senate!
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 11:29:04 AM EDT
Hillary is well aware of the realities surrounding 12/21/2012.  I'm sure her view is "WTF, Sec of State is a better title to go out on than Senator".
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 11:32:27 AM EDT
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081121/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_clinton

Ugh, the shit keeps piling up...
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 11:37:37 AM EDT
From the latest news reports...it looks like Hilary's greed for Power and Status is getting the best of her Judgement. Number 4 in line of Succession and experience in Foreign Policy.

This will give her more pull on another run for the White House in 2012 (nope...she ain't going to give up her dream of Megalomania)..and in the worst case..position herself experience wise for as an Ambassador under a future Democratic Government.


Conservatives would be better off if she kept her Senate Seat, as she as some major feelings of ill will towards the Anointed One...and would block and hold up for political ransom his cherished peices of legislation...

Perhaps..we'll see reparations to Black Americans for the slavery of their Ancestors...

Peter Schiff pretty much gives his take on You Tube about what the economy will be like Under Obama...in fact he is embracing an Obama presidency, because Americans need to learn that bigger government is NOT good economically and that we need to cut spending...

Hillary isn't a particularly bright person....With this idiot and other Enemies under Obama-Sama's control...we are going to see...Socialism and Gun Control forced down our throats..

The US Government will try to use inflation as a way to get out of debt...and...but I think Schiff nailed it..Hyper Inflation will occur is Foreign Governments stop buying our T-Bills.

Time to buy Gold and Bullets....

Link Posted: 11/21/2008 12:02:11 PM EDT
Ahh...the greedy little wannabe Dictator Accepted the Deal!

She's Going for it!!! Secretary of State! Obama must be laughing his Ass Off! I give Hillary 2 years and then its the Unemployment Agency!


from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081121/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_clinton

Clinton accepts Obama secretary of state offer: NY Times

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has accepted an offer from President-elect Barack Obama to become U.S. secretary of state, joining her former Democratic rival to help guide U.S. foreign policy, the New York Times said on Friday.

The newspaper quoted two Clinton associates who said she came to her decision after additional discussions with Obama about the nature of her role as the top U.S. diplomat and his foreign policy plans.

"She's ready," one of the sources told the newspaper, which posted the report on its website.

Clinton emerged as a frontrunner for the secretary of state job late last week, transfixing a country which had seen her compete hard against Obama to win the Democratic nomination for the presidency. Obama clinched that nomination in June and then beat Republican John McCain in the November 4 election.

Democratic Party sources have recently said Clinton, was on track to be nominated, with an official announcement expected after the November 27 Thanksgiving holiday.

NBC news meanwhile also reported two other key Obama appointments: New York Federal Reserve President Timothy Geithner as treasury secretary, and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson as commerce secretary. NBC said official announcements on the appointments were expected on Monday.

Officials with the Obama transition team had no immediate comment.

Clinton has a global profile both as a political leader in her own right and as the wife of former U.S. President Bill Clinton.

Policy analysts say her selection as secretary of state could mean a more hawkish U.S. stance, noting that she has been more reluctant than Obama to commit to a firm timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.

(Writing by Andy Quinn, Editing by Frances Kerry)
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 5:10:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2008 9:07:18 PM EDT by Javak]
How's this for the payoff: Senator Bill Clinton, N.Y.?
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