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Posted: 6/16/2009 1:01:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2009 4:35:27 AM EST by packingXDs]
Anyone see this on Drudge yet? I wonder what Obama is up to now.


ETA:
Originally Posted By Marauder777:
Story here.

–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––­–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––­––––––––––––––––––––––-

The Obama administration is fighting to block access to names of visitors to the White House, taking up the Bush administration argument that a president doesn't have to reveal who comes calling to influence policy decisions.

Despite President Barack Obama's pledge to introduce a new era of transparency to Washington, and despite two rulings by a federal judge that the records are public, the Secret Service has denied msnbc.com's request for the names of all White House visitors from Jan. 20 to the present. It also denied a narrower request by the nonpartisan watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which sought logs of visits by executives of coal companies.

CREW says it will file a lawsuit Tuesday against the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the Secret Service.

"We are deeply disappointed," said CREW attorney Anne L. Weismann, "that the Obama administration is following the same anti-transparency policy as the Bush administration when it comes to White House visitor records. Refusing to let the public know who visits the White House is not the action of a pro-transparency, pro-accountability administration."

Groups that advocate open government have argued that it's vital to know the names of White House visitors, who may have an outsized influence on policy matters. The visitor logs have been released in only a few isolated cases, most notably records of visits by lobbyist Jack Abramoff to the Bush White House, and in the "filegate" investigation of the Clinton White House.

The Obama administration is arguing that the White House visitor logs are presidential records — not Secret Service agency records, which would be subject to the Freedom of Information Act. The administration ought to be able to hold secret meetings in the White House, "such as an elected official interviewing for an administration position or an ambassador coming for a discussion on issues that would affect international negotiations," said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt.

These same arguments, made by the Bush administration, were rejected twice by a federal judge. The visitor logs are created by the Secret Service and maintained by the Secret Service, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth ruled in 2007 and again this January. CREW had requested records of visits to the Bush White House, as well as the residence of Vice President Dick Cheney, by leaders of Religious Right organizations.

The Bush administration appealed Lamberth's decision, and the Obama administration has continued to press that appeal.

"It is the government's position," the Secret Service wrote last week to msnbc.com in denying access to the visitor logs, "that the vast majority, if not all, of the records ... are not agency records subject to the FOIA. Rather, these records are records governed by the Presidential Records Act" and "remain under the exclusive legal custody and control of the White Office and the Office of the Vice President. After the resolution of this litigation, we will respond further to your request if necessary."

The visitor records are kept in two databases:

* Worker and Visitor Entry System (WAVES). This Secret Service database includes information submitted to the Secret Service about individuals who have a planned visit to the White House. This information includes the name of the pass holder submitting the request, the date of the request, the time and location of the planned visit and the nature of the visit or the person to be visited. This information may be updated with the actual date and time of entry and exit. Msnbc.com also requested lists submitted to the Secret Service of groups or delegations of visitors with planned visits to the White House.
* Access Control Records System (ACES). This Secret Service database includes information generated when a pass holder, worker or visitor swipes a permanent or temporary pass over an electronic reader at entrances or exits. This information includes the name of the visitor, the badge number, the post or location, and the date and time of entry or exit.

No private information requested
Msnbc.com excluded from its request any private information on the White House visitors. It asked that the Secret Service delete from the logs any dates of birth, Social Security numbers, and home addresses (other than city and state).

In addition, msnbc.com asked the Secret Service to exclude information on security precautions and the results of background checks on prospective visitors.

The Bush White House had taken several steps to close off access to the visitor logs, steps repeatedly rejected by the federal judge.

In May 2006, the Bush White House signed a memorandum of understanding with the Secret Service, declaring that the logs are agency records, under White House control.

In October 2006, CREW sought records of visits by nine religious leaders: James Dobson, Gary L. Bauer, Wendy Wright, Louis P. Sheldon, Andrea Lafferty, Paul Weyrich, Tony Perkins, Donald Wildmon and Jerry Falwell.

The Bush position was rejected in December 2007 by Judge Lamberth, a former federal prosecutor who was appointed to the bench by President Ronald Reagan. Lamberth gave the White House 20 days to hand over the public records. But CREW did not get the visitor logs.

In September 2008, Homeland Security said that it did not plan to release the visitor logs, claiming that the visitor logs were protected by the presidential communication privilege in the law.

Judge Lamberth ruled again, denying that claim on Jan. 9. The judge wrote that a simple list of visitors is not a communication at all, because it includes no details on the topics discussed during a meeting, and therefore is not protected by a presidential communication privilege.

The Bush administration appealed on Jan. 14, a week before the end of President Bush's term of office.

In late January and again in May, the Obama administration had opportunities to change course, when it filed papers in the appeals court, but stuck with the Bush position.



Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:03:27 AM EST
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:05:30 AM EST
I can only imagine the types of people he has visiting and doesn't want made public.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:06:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By packingXDs:
I can only imagine the types of people he has visiting and doesn't want made public.


Oh so can I....

God I can't wait to say I told you so (not you XD) but you know what I mean!!
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:09:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
Originally Posted By packingXDs:
I can only imagine the types of people he has visiting and doesn't want made public.


Oh so can I....

God I can't wait to say I told you so (not you XD) but you know what I mean!!

I have given up on relishing saying I told you so. I was screaming to anyone that would listen to me, during elections, that if for no other reason; Obama should not be elected because he will bring Chicago politics to the Federal level. I heard all sorts of rationale about how that wouldn't happen, and now we have just that, Federal Chicago-style politics. We are fucked beyond belief these days.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:14:39 AM EST
The new transparency of this regime is refreshing
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:18:40 AM EST
I am so disgusted anymore i don't know whether to shit or wind my watch.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:25:47 AM EST
Can someone wake me up from this horrible nightmare?
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:25:49 AM EST
If you want to know who Obama really is...All you have to do is read his words...The book he wrote before he ever though about seriously running for POTUS...

The company he keeps is suspect at best...

Who he has allegiance to is not the country you and I love...He never will and it sickens me..
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:25:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


YOU MUST MEAN FERGIE!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:26:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


YOU MUST MEAN FERGIE!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fergie.jpg


As much as I can't stand Fergie––she is the least of our worries...
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:27:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By ftl2012:
Can someone wake me up from this horrible nightmare?

We could only be so lucky that this is a nightmare that we could wake up from.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:30:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By packingXDs:

Originally Posted By ftl2012:
Can someone wake me up from this horrible nightmare?

We could only be so lucky that this is a nightmare that we could wake up from.


I try every single morning––-it just wont work for some reason...
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:31:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


YOU MUST MEAN FERGIE!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fergie.jpg


As much as I can't stand Fergie––she is the least of our worries...


oOPS...forgot the

yeah my blackeyepeas cd is on the side of I-95 somewhere
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:32:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


YOU MUST MEAN FERGIE!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fergie.jpg


As much as I can't stand Fergie––she is the least of our worries...


oOPS...forgot the

yeah my blackeyepeas cd is on the side of I-95 somewhere


No Boom Boom pow for you huh???
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:32:47 AM EST
I wonder if one of the common visitors is his 'spiritual adviser' ?
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:34:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2009 1:34:23 AM EST by packingXDs]

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I wonder if one of the common visitors is his 'spiritual adviser' ?

At the rate Obama has been going, I would not be surprised of Osama Bin Laden, himself, was a private guest in our White House.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:34:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By packingXDs:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I wonder if one of the common visitors is his 'spiritual adviser' ?

At the rate Obama has been going, I would not be surprised of Osama Bin Laden, himself, was a private guest in our White House.


If not him surely some of his buddies....
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:39:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
Originally Posted By packingXDs:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I wonder if one of the common visitors is his 'spiritual adviser' ?

At the rate Obama has been going, I would not be surprised of Osama Bin Laden, himself, was a private guest in our White House.


If not him surely some of his buddies....

I bet the SS just loves seeing some of the visitors Obama brings in.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:41:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


YOU MUST MEAN FERGIE!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fergie.jpg


Maybe it's the dress, but her tatas almost keep you from noticing that wart on top of her neck.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:49:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


YOU MUST MEAN FERGIE!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fergie.jpg


Maybe it's the dress, but her tatas almost keep you from noticing that wart on top of her neck.


At first i was like "I don't see a wart"

then I was like

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 1:59:45 AM EST
I havent seen it on Drudge - got a source or link?

.........
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:04:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By number9XD:
I havent seen it on Drudge - got a source or link?

.........

Top right side. Right under 'Drudge Report' and above the first picture on the third column.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:10:42 AM EST
Well that is transparency for you!
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:24:43 AM EST
Transparency.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:25:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By E-Mag:
Well that is transparency for you!




The Alinsky-fied liberals are transparent. Whatever they fantasized Republicans doing behind closed doors, and accused them of, they are now doing.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:26:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
If you want to know who Obama really is...All you have to do is read his words...The book he wrote before he ever though about seriously running for POTUS...

The company he keeps is suspect at best...

Who he has allegiance to is not the country you and I love...He never will and it sickens me..


That is so true.

Germany 1945: But we didn't know he was like that.

America 2012: But we didn't know he was like that.


Really. Read their FUCKING WORDS they wrote down.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:27:45 AM EST
Isnt that OUR house not his? I'd like to know who is going to OUR house.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:28:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Snow-man:
Isnt that OUR house not his? I'd like to know who is going to OUR house.

Yes it is and we should know who he is bringing there.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:29:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:

Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


YOU MUST MEAN FERGIE!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fergie.jpg


As much as I can't stand Fergie––she is the least of our worries...


Yeah...hopefully, they've learned that dry cleaning costs are pretty low, well, low in comparison to DNA tests on cheap dresses from the Gap.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:32:19 AM EST
Transparency?

What is this transparency you speak of?

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:33:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By hammerkill:
I am so disgusted anymore i don't know whether to shit or wind my watch.


My watch doesnt need winding......now where did I leave that newspaper.....
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:34:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By bytor94:
Transparency?

What is this transparency you speak of?


Its as clear as mud.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:43:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By packingXDs:

Originally Posted By bytor94:
Transparency?

What is this transparency you speak of?


Its as clear as mud.


...but it stinks like shit
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:48:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By MiloBloom:
The new transparency of this regime is refreshing


The media will give him a pass on it.

Pravda had nothing on our modern press corps. If Bush had attempted to do even half the things Obama has already done, they'd have been on him like a pack of rabid hyenas.

They've sold their soul... which is why I don't shed a single tear as newspapers go bankrupt, and the main news networks lose viewers. Let them reap the consequences of their partisanship.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:51:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2009 3:00:33 AM EST by Chris_C]



Are the Jews going to allow him to visit?...

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 2:51:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By conservativeblkfem:
mmmm hmmmmm...You know exactly why he doesn't want the lists to be public....

Because then we would know who he hangs with––-and you know what that would mean right???


Hope, change, transparency.

John
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 3:09:07 AM EST
Maybe he is enjoying the company of Jeff Gannon.

They just be `playin hoop. No big....
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 3:32:16 AM EST
I don't believe Obama has the intelligence to do a majority of the things that have been perpetrated on us. Now Rahm Emmanuel, Obama's flying monkey, is an EVIL bastard and he genuinely hates us. (This coming from some congressional staff members)
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 3:33:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Transparency.


yep
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:09:47 AM EST
Well he can not want it public when his male prostitutes show up.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:10:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By mousehunter:
Well he can not want it public when his male prostitutes show up.

You shouldn't talk about DLoken that way.

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:16:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By bytor94:

Originally Posted By mousehunter:
Well he can not want it public when his male prostitutes show up.

You shouldn't talk about DLoken that way.



someone getting PWNED in here?

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:16:47 AM EST
Heh.


Still waiting for the passenger list for the AF1 / NYC flyby...

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:18:33 AM EST
Commies.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:19:54 AM EST
Does that jackass know it's not really his house?
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:27:44 AM EST
Story here.

––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-

The Obama administration is fighting to block access to names of visitors to the White House, taking up the Bush administration argument that a president doesn't have to reveal who comes calling to influence policy decisions.

Despite President Barack Obama's pledge to introduce a new era of transparency to Washington, and despite two rulings by a federal judge that the records are public, the Secret Service has denied msnbc.com's request for the names of all White House visitors from Jan. 20 to the present. It also denied a narrower request by the nonpartisan watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which sought logs of visits by executives of coal companies.

CREW says it will file a lawsuit Tuesday against the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the Secret Service.

"We are deeply disappointed," said CREW attorney Anne L. Weismann, "that the Obama administration is following the same anti-transparency policy as the Bush administration when it comes to White House visitor records. Refusing to let the public know who visits the White House is not the action of a pro-transparency, pro-accountability administration."

Groups that advocate open government have argued that it's vital to know the names of White House visitors, who may have an outsized influence on policy matters. The visitor logs have been released in only a few isolated cases, most notably records of visits by lobbyist Jack Abramoff to the Bush White House, and in the "filegate" investigation of the Clinton White House.

The Obama administration is arguing that the White House visitor logs are presidential records — not Secret Service agency records, which would be subject to the Freedom of Information Act. The administration ought to be able to hold secret meetings in the White House, "such as an elected official interviewing for an administration position or an ambassador coming for a discussion on issues that would affect international negotiations," said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt.

These same arguments, made by the Bush administration, were rejected twice by a federal judge. The visitor logs are created by the Secret Service and maintained by the Secret Service, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth ruled in 2007 and again this January. CREW had requested records of visits to the Bush White House, as well as the residence of Vice President Dick Cheney, by leaders of Religious Right organizations.

The Bush administration appealed Lamberth's decision, and the Obama administration has continued to press that appeal.

"It is the government's position," the Secret Service wrote last week to msnbc.com in denying access to the visitor logs, "that the vast majority, if not all, of the records ... are not agency records subject to the FOIA. Rather, these records are records governed by the Presidential Records Act" and "remain under the exclusive legal custody and control of the White Office and the Office of the Vice President. After the resolution of this litigation, we will respond further to your request if necessary."

The visitor records are kept in two databases:

* Worker and Visitor Entry System (WAVES). This Secret Service database includes information submitted to the Secret Service about individuals who have a planned visit to the White House. This information includes the name of the pass holder submitting the request, the date of the request, the time and location of the planned visit and the nature of the visit or the person to be visited. This information may be updated with the actual date and time of entry and exit. Msnbc.com also requested lists submitted to the Secret Service of groups or delegations of visitors with planned visits to the White House.
* Access Control Records System (ACES). This Secret Service database includes information generated when a pass holder, worker or visitor swipes a permanent or temporary pass over an electronic reader at entrances or exits. This information includes the name of the visitor, the badge number, the post or location, and the date and time of entry or exit.

No private information requested
Msnbc.com excluded from its request any private information on the White House visitors. It asked that the Secret Service delete from the logs any dates of birth, Social Security numbers, and home addresses (other than city and state).

In addition, msnbc.com asked the Secret Service to exclude information on security precautions and the results of background checks on prospective visitors.

The Bush White House had taken several steps to close off access to the visitor logs, steps repeatedly rejected by the federal judge.

In May 2006, the Bush White House signed a memorandum of understanding with the Secret Service, declaring that the logs are agency records, under White House control.

In October 2006, CREW sought records of visits by nine religious leaders: James Dobson, Gary L. Bauer, Wendy Wright, Louis P. Sheldon, Andrea Lafferty, Paul Weyrich, Tony Perkins, Donald Wildmon and Jerry Falwell.

The Bush position was rejected in December 2007 by Judge Lamberth, a former federal prosecutor who was appointed to the bench by President Ronald Reagan. Lamberth gave the White House 20 days to hand over the public records. But CREW did not get the visitor logs.

In September 2008, Homeland Security said that it did not plan to release the visitor logs, claiming that the visitor logs were protected by the presidential communication privilege in the law.

Judge Lamberth ruled again, denying that claim on Jan. 9. The judge wrote that a simple list of visitors is not a communication at all, because it includes no details on the topics discussed during a meeting, and therefore is not protected by a presidential communication privilege.

The Bush administration appealed on Jan. 14, a week before the end of President Bush's term of office.

In late January and again in May, the Obama administration had opportunities to change course, when it filed papers in the appeals court, but stuck with the Bush position.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:34:40 AM EST
I bet it has to piss of Liberals that Obama is taking the exact stance Bush did on the logs.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:40:11 AM EST
Farrahkan, Racist Wright, Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc.....
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:49:12 AM EST
MSNBC was one of the entities in the request.What are they looking for?
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 4:55:15 AM EST

Hey we can call him "Flip Flop Obama".
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