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Posted: 10/18/2008 12:27:56 PM EDT

It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:32:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/18/2008 12:36:48 PM EDT by Greenhorn]

Originally Posted By Zeon46:
It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.


You know . . . actually, they WILL get a tax cut.  You still pay taxes when you're in the no-tax bracket - you just get it back at the end of the fiscal year.  Isn't that right?

So technically, they're getting a tax break.

So Obama's not lying, he's just not telling the truth.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:38:22 PM EDT
It will take a year or two for them to realize the error of their ways. Once they do, many will still blame Bush. It's hard for the lower echelons of society to realize what they are.

<-- Elitist snob who has worked his ass off for what he has
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:40:42 PM EDT
I don't know who it was on CNN, but they laughed at obama's comments about redistribution. "Of course Joe would say that's socialism", with a big fuckin grin on his face.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:42:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

Originally Posted By Zeon46:
It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.


You know . . . actually, they WILL get a tax cut.  You still pay taxes when you're in the no-tax bracket - you just get it back at the end of the fiscal year.  Isn't that right?

So technically, they're getting a tax break.

So Obama's not lying, he's just not telling the truth.


Wrong.

If your income is low enough, you get back an amount greater than that withheld during the year.  That makes you a welfare recipient.  Obama is proposing increasing the amount that people can get back, and calling this WELFARE PAYMENT a TAX CUT.

He's a liar.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:45:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/18/2008 12:46:44 PM EDT by FMJ3]

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

Originally Posted By Zeon46:
It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.


You know . . . actually, they WILL get a tax cut.  You still pay taxes when you're in the no-tax bracket - you just get it back at the end of the fiscal year.  Isn't that right?

So technically, they're getting a tax break.

So Obama's not lying, he's just not telling the truth.


They actually get back more than they paid - he wants to give them even more back. That's his "spread the wealth" plan.

He's also including SS and Medicare taxes in his double talk - so they'll pay less there too. Don't worry, someone else will pick up their slack. I see a pattern here.

ETA: Cabby beat me to the punch.

ETA2:
FUCK OBAMA
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:48:04 PM EDT
and when they (congress) doubles the federal gas tax? where is your tax savings?

and when they raise the small business taxes and the result is higher unemployment,
those newly unemployed people will get a real tax cut.

what disturbs me most is how so many people can willingly walk into the basking light of socialism this guy puts forth.


what happened to the addage that you are judged by the company you keep... well this guy keeps SOME company yet it is completely ignored.

this reminds me of a twilight zone episode where some aliens bring a book titled "To Serve Man"...  everyone welcomes the aliens and when the book is translated  well its too late.  Its a Cook Book.

Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:49:37 PM EDT
Considering the state of the economy, Obamas grandiose promises and the expectations of the minority "community", does anyone in their right fucking mind expect that number to stay at 95% and $250k?  That promise will make "read my lips, no new taxes" disappear from the American conscience.   Within 12 months, if not sooner, that $250k number will be down to $125 and the 95% number down to 75%.  And that will just be the first step.  And it will all be done fast, while he's still got a majority democrat congress.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:54:26 PM EDT
Why do they even need to raise taxes on anyone? The Federal revenues have been increasing every year. The tax revenues under Bush have been higher every year than any year under Clinton.

Why don't they just fucking cut spending? Republicans and democrats both need to get their heads out of their pig asses when it comes to the Federal budget
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 1:00:30 PM EDT
Nobody should get back more than they pay in, on that I think we're all agreed.

When payroll taxes are taken into account though the number of people who actually do, and the amount by which they do, is a lot less than most of you seem to think.

Like it or not payroll taxes are being used as general revenue, and the entitlement programs function as a social safety net, not a retirement program.

The payroll tax is a F'n joke and needs to be fixed, either as a flat tax on all income or rolled into income taxes leaving us with a flatter, but still progressive, income tax with a standard deduction that matches the poverty level.

It would help immensely if we could seperate the arguements for spending and the proper size and scope of government from the tax equity fight, they really are two seperate issues.

Obamas plan sucks, but McCains plans are a joke too, they seem to be simply an attempt to put together enough votes to win an election, rather than an attempt to actually address the economic problems or create an equitable tax system.

JMHO
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 1:02:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/18/2008 1:03:10 PM EDT by Greenhorn]

Originally Posted By Cabby:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

Originally Posted By Zeon46:
It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.


You know . . . actually, they WILL get a tax cut.  You still pay taxes when you're in the no-tax bracket - you just get it back at the end of the fiscal year.  Isn't that right?

So technically, they're getting a tax break.

So Obama's not lying, he's just not telling the truth.


Wrong.

If your income is low enough, you get back an amount greater than that withheld during the year.  That makes you a welfare recipient.  Obama is proposing increasing the amount that people can get back, and calling this WELFARE PAYMENT a TAX CUT.

He's a liar.


Wow.  Uh . . . wordless . . .



Spread the wealth.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 3:04:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Why do they even need to raise taxes on anyone? The Federal revenues have been increasing every year. The tax revenues under Bush have been higher every year than any year under Clinton.

Why don't they just fucking cut spending? Republicans and democrats both need to get their heads out of their pig asses when it comes to the Federal budget


Yeh, but don't hold your breath. If they can't send home the pork, they can't keep their cushy damn jobs. And will lose out on all those perks.

Not a damn one is willing to take one for the Country.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 3:13:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/18/2008 3:14:06 PM EDT by Resident_Evil]
The Social Security TAX (fica) is what Obama is talking about.

A large percentage of wage earners pay no INCOME tax at all and in fact get earned income CREDITS (welfare) payments at the end of the year.

But everyone pays FICA.

What Obama is going to change is no FICA taxes for low income earners.

But reality is that Obama is just tellin lies.

Marxists promise free bread, they never deliver.

Link Posted: 10/18/2008 3:36:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Freelance_Bum:

Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Why do they even need to raise taxes on anyone? The Federal revenues have been increasing every year. The tax revenues under Bush have been higher every year than any year under Clinton.

Why don't they just fucking cut spending? Republicans and democrats both need to get their heads out of their pig asses when it comes to the Federal budget


Yeh, but don't hold your breath. If they can't send home the pork, they can't keep their cushy damn jobs. And will lose out on all those perks.

Not a damn one is willing to take one for the Country.


Mayor +1
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 4:19:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zeon46:
It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.


And if Obama is elected, will this not prove to be correct?
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 4:23:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Why do they even need to raise taxes on anyone? The Federal revenues have been increasing every year. The tax revenues under Bush have been higher every year than any year under Clinton.

Why don't they just fucking cut spending? Republicans and democrats both need to get their heads out of their pig asses when it comes to the Federal budget


Barry is going to re-distribute the nation's wealth by taking from those who work and giving to those who will not or cannot work.



5sub
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 4:24:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tin_Star:

Originally Posted By Zeon46:
It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.


And if Obama is elected, will this not prove to be correct?


Yes.

Look at the thieves and fools in the House and Senate.  Our vote put them there and our vote keeps them there.




5sub
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 4:28:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

Originally Posted By Tin_Star:

Originally Posted By Zeon46:
It's just sickening to watch the Obamabots defend their messiahs plan to redistribute wealth and give welfare checks to non-taxpayers. They just keep repeating the mantra that 95% of Americans will see a tax cut. I have never been so disgusted with these leftist hacks. They must really think Americans are complete idiots.


And if Obama is elected, will this not prove to be correct?


Yes.

Look at the thieves and fools in the House and Senate.  Our vote put them there and our vote keeps them there.




5sub


Are you sure it's our vote or not acorns vote? Not saying we don't have alot of dumbasses in America, but just food for thought.
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