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6/11/2016 11:31:49 PM EDT
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Warmth in my pants
6/11/2016 11:34:07 PM EDT
[#2]
That's cool  
6/11/2016 11:34:16 PM EDT
[#3]
GET SOME
6/11/2016 11:35:00 PM EDT
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Neat, but needs more M230 Chain Gun.
6/11/2016 11:35:03 PM EDT
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Need Video
6/11/2016 11:40:25 PM EDT
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Now that is a cute plane almost like a baby of the A10. Now the A10 is the best close quarter combat plane every build and yet they keep trying to kill it every year. Yep it keeps going because nothing else can fill its roll. Time to build some more with newer computers and keep all the full manual controls since they just never fail. Hell I have seen pics of the A10 flying back home with 1 wing and a quarter of the other wing.
6/12/2016 12:51:29 AM EDT
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Now that is a cute plane almost like a baby of the A10. Now the A10 is the best close quarter combat plane every build and yet they keep trying to kill it every year. Yep it keeps going because nothing else can fill its roll. Time to build some more with newer computers and keep all the full manual controls since they just never fail. Hell I have seen pics of the A10 flying back home with 1 wing and a quarter of the other wing.
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The same could be said pretty much for the OV-10 since the mid 60's.
6/12/2016 1:05:10 AM EDT
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I wish we could have gotten OV-10s over here.

Better yet, A-1s!
6/12/2016 1:25:10 AM EDT
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The fighter mafia would have strokes if there were any of those Spads still in the inventory and ready to fly.
6/12/2016 5:50:48 AM EDT
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Yea, I know.

If only we could get them to think of the customer once in a while.

Ironically, they (USAF) are equipping the Afghan Air Force with Super Tucs...which are kind of like mini-A-1s with turboprops.
6/12/2016 6:12:25 AM EDT
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Hardcore, laser guided 70 mm rockets and the Bronco...........
6/12/2016 6:14:06 AM EDT
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The bomb load of a B24 yet it only needed one engine.
6/12/2016 6:39:22 AM EDT
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My favorite aircraft. I hope someday the military adopts a new aircraft for the low-cost high-loiter niche. The OV-10x is pretty sweet for the role.
6/12/2016 7:10:37 AM EDT
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Neat.



The Air Force should be along any moment to announce retirement in favor of.the F-35.
6/12/2016 7:12:12 AM EDT
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The bomb load of a B24 yet it only needed one engine.


It was one of those great WWII designs that didn't appear until after the war.  Imagine what it would've been like if the Marines in the Pacific had Sandies on station for air support!
6/12/2016 7:35:03 AM EDT
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The fighter mafia would have strokes if there were any of those Spads still in the inventory and ready to fly.


No one around with the experience to maintain that monster radial...  One of my all time favorite airplanes - followed by the OV-10.  I thought it would be really fun to go fly one in California for their forest service - but I'd have to live there so that's a no-go...


6/12/2016 12:17:05 PM EDT
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You need to look up who the Fighter Mafia was...  The Fighter Mafia was responsible for the A-10's existence.
6/12/2016 12:38:33 PM EDT
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Makes you wonder why the ATF got rid of them
6/12/2016 12:41:16 PM EDT
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6/12/2016 12:42:38 PM EDT
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You need to look up who the Fighter Mafia was...  The Fighter Mafia was responsible for the A-10's existence.
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You need to look up who the Fighter Mafia was...  The Fighter Mafia was responsible for the A-10's existence.


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The A-10 was a political decision made by the SECAF.  The design of it was influenced by many sources.  The fighter mafia had no control over the AF in the 60s and 70s and they couldn't have possibly created a program like that.
6/12/2016 12:47:50 PM EDT
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15 years ago: "the OV-10 would be unsurvivable in Afghanistan".

  Granted APKWS wasn't available but they could have racked 12 Hellfires.
6/12/2016 12:52:54 PM EDT
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You need to look up who the Fighter Mafia was...  The Fighter Mafia was responsible for the A-10's existence.


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No.

The A-10 was a political decision made by the SECAF.  The design of it was influenced by many sources.  The fighter mafia had no control over the AF in the 60s and 70s and they couldn't have possibly created a program like that.


Really? I would suggest you do a little reading as well.  I'm not referring to the AH-56, A-10 shenanigans.  But thank you Mr. Helper for your input.
6/12/2016 1:18:40 PM EDT
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Really? I would suggest you do a little reading as well.  I'm not referring to the AH-56, A-10 shenanigans.  But thank you Mr. Helper for your input.
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I wish we could have gotten OV-10s over here.

Better yet, A-1s!
The fighter mafia would have strokes if there were any of those Spads still in the inventory and ready to fly.



You need to look up who the Fighter Mafia was...  The Fighter Mafia was responsible for the A-10's existence.


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No.

The A-10 was a political decision made by the SECAF.  The design of it was influenced by many sources.  The fighter mafia had no control over the AF in the 60s and 70s and they couldn't have possibly created a program like that.


Really? I would suggest you do a little reading as well.  I'm not referring to the AH-56, A-10 shenanigans.  But thank you Mr. Helper for your input.


6/12/2016 1:22:46 PM EDT
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You need to look up who the Fighter Mafia was...  The Fighter Mafia was responsible for the A-10's existence.


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The A-10 was a political decision made by the SECAF.  The design of it was influenced by many sources.  The fighter mafia had no control over the AF in the 60s and 70s and they couldn't have possibly created a program like that.


Really? I would suggest you do a little reading as well.  I'm not referring to the AH-56, A-10 shenanigans.  But thank you Mr. Helper for your input.







The Fighter Mafia
6/12/2016 1:24:22 PM EDT
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I don't know anything about this bird but...where does it keeps guns and stuff? It doesn't look like it's armed.
6/12/2016 1:33:24 PM EDT
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Underwing and underbelly pylons. It was developed in Nam if I recall its a forward observer/light attack plane so not a huge load on it. I think it can also hold some troops in the back but practically that never worked out to well.

The upgraded version would have been bad ass if it had actually been feasible. War is boring had a nice article a long while back comparing it the super taco and some other small turboprop of similar capability and spelled out pretty clearly how the upgraded version offered was just basically the parent company throwing ideas out and hoping for money. They no longer had any of the tooling wheren't too serious about it and I think had to borrow a old one from the gov to make a prototype.
6/12/2016 1:36:34 PM EDT
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Underwing and underbelly pylons. It was developed in Nam if I recall its a forward observer/light attack plane so not a huge load on it. I think it can also hold some troops in the back but practically that never worked out to well.

The upgraded version would have been bad ass if it had actually been feasible. War is boring had a nice article a long while back comparing it the super taco and some other small turboprop of similar capability and spelled out pretty clearly how the upgraded version offered was just basically the parent company throwing ideas out and hoping for money. They no longer had any of the tooling wheren't too serious about it and I think had to borrow a old one from the gov to make a prototype.
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I don't know anything about this bird but...where does it keeps guns and stuff? It doesn't look like it's armed.


Underwing and underbelly pylons. It was developed in Nam if I recall its a forward observer/light attack plane so not a huge load on it. I think it can also hold some troops in the back but practically that never worked out to well.

The upgraded version would have been bad ass if it had actually been feasible. War is boring had a nice article a long while back comparing it the super taco and some other small turboprop of similar capability and spelled out pretty clearly how the upgraded version offered was just basically the parent company throwing ideas out and hoping for money. They no longer had any of the tooling wheren't too serious about it and I think had to borrow a old one from the gov to make a prototype.

Thanks. It looks like it's got amazing visibility and pretty maneuverable.
6/12/2016 1:38:53 PM EDT
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https://warisboring.com/the-pentagon-has-two-choices-for-light-attack-planes-2e4306197b1e#.29ectlks2

Article I was talking about took a minute to find and link on the phone.
6/12/2016 1:54:05 PM EDT
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In Vietnam,it was found that jets weren't effective at dropping the early FAE bombs due to problems with dispersion but Broncos could



6/12/2016 1:59:21 PM EDT
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Thanks. It looks like it's got amazing visibility and pretty maneuverable.
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Underwing and underbelly pylons. It was developed in Nam if I recall its a forward observer/light attack plane so not a huge load on it. I think it can also hold some troops in the back but practically that never worked out to well.

The upgraded version would have been bad ass if it had actually been feasible. War is boring had a nice article a long while back comparing it the super taco and some other small turboprop of similar capability and spelled out pretty clearly how the upgraded version offered was just basically the parent company throwing ideas out and hoping for money. They no longer had any of the tooling wheren't too serious about it and I think had to borrow a old one from the gov to make a prototype.

Thanks. It looks like it's got amazing visibility and pretty maneuverable.


99% of that should been marked, "if I recall, poorly".
6/12/2016 2:05:01 PM EDT
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No one around with the experience to maintain that monster radial...  One of my all time favorite airplanes - followed by the OV-10.  I thought it would be really fun to go fly one in California for their forest service - but I'd have to live there so that's a no-go...





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I wish we could have gotten OV-10s over here.



Better yet, A-1s!
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No one around with the experience to maintain that monster radial...  One of my all time favorite airplanes - followed by the OV-10.  I thought it would be really fun to go fly one in California for their forest service - but I'd have to live there so that's a no-go...





Meh.  It's an airplane.  Frankly more of the problem is the lack of experience in tail draggers in the pilot corps.  But even that problem would be able to be worked around.



We should have just competed out building new production Broncos and gotten over it if for no other reason than fuel commonality.
6/12/2016 2:47:26 PM EDT
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It was one of those great WWII designs that didn't appear until after the war.  Imagine what it would've been like if the Marines in the Pacific had Sandies on station for air support!
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The bomb load of a B24 yet it only needed one engine.


It was one of those great WWII designs that didn't appear until after the war.  Imagine what it would've been like if the Marines in the Pacific had Sandies on station for air support!



As I recall the B-24 was designed and put into production in 3 months time.  Drank oil like an old hobo drinks wine, drank fuel like a stripper snorting coke.
6/12/2016 7:32:51 PM EDT
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No one around with the experience to maintain that monster radial...  One of my all time favorite airplanes - followed by the OV-10.  I thought it would be really fun to go fly one in California for their forest service - but I'd have to live there so that's a no-go...  
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I wish we could have gotten OV-10s over here.

Better yet, A-1s!  


The fighter mafia would have strokes if there were any of those Spads still in the inventory and ready to fly.  


No one around with the experience to maintain that monster radial...  One of my all time favorite airplanes - followed by the OV-10.  I thought it would be really fun to go fly one in California for their forest service - but I'd have to live there so that's a no-go...  


You could always fly OVs someplace besides CA.  I saw where a couple of Broncos were sent to the states of FL and GA for some sort of agriculture department operations.
6/12/2016 7:40:52 PM EDT
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As I recall the B-24 was designed and put into production in 3 months time.  Drank oil like an old hobo drinks wine, drank fuel like a stripper snorting coke.
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The bomb load of a B24 yet it only needed one engine.


It was one of those great WWII designs that didn't appear until after the war.  Imagine what it would've been like if the Marines in the Pacific had Sandies on station for air support!



As I recall the B-24 was designed and put into production in 3 months time.  Drank oil like an old hobo drinks wine, drank fuel like a stripper snorting coke.

A radial engine that burned a shit load of oil?  Say it ain't so.

"Fill the oil and check the gas" exists as a phrase for a reason.

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6/12/2016 7:45:35 PM EDT
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We should refurb and modernize all those in the boneyard.
6/12/2016 9:23:43 PM EDT
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There aren't many left in the US and those that are around the globe have been flown hard for decades. There were less than 2 dozen OV-10Ds that these that Marsh calls OV-10G+ were based on built in the first place. It certainly would be possible to go get the ones Colombia took out of service last year and rebuild them but lets be honest about the chances. I guess you could look at DOS paying $15 million a pop to refurb Sea Kings that it could possibly happen but no.
6/12/2016 9:40:40 PM EDT
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Always thought an improved OV-10 would made an ideal armed escort for the MV-22, since both can operate off the Gator carriers. Especially with APKWS added to the equation.





Of course, an OV-10 will not be able to reliably fight its way through airspace fully protected by a fully integrated air defense system, but neither would an Osprey. Leave that kind of work for the F-35B (and other assets) to kick in the door.


 
6/12/2016 9:43:35 PM EDT
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Who is flying them? The Army or AF?
6/12/2016 9:47:50 PM EDT
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Let the Navy run the whole COIN program and keep the Zoomies the fuck away from it.

Black Ponies FTMFW!

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6/12/2016 9:48:16 PM EDT
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Navy.  

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6/12/2016 9:51:01 PM EDT
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The bomb load of a B24 yet it only needed one engine.


It was one of those great WWII designs that didn't appear until after the war.  Imagine what it would've been like if the Marines in the Pacific had Sandies on station for air support!



As I recall the B-24 was designed and put into production in 3 months time.  Drank oil like an old hobo drinks wine, drank fuel like a stripper snorting coke.




The U.S. Army Air Corps awarded a contract for the prototype XB-24 in March 1939, with the requirement that one example should be ready before the end of the year. Consolidated finished the prototype and had it ready for its first flight two days before the end of 1939. The design was simple in concept but, nevertheless, advanced for its time. Consolidated incorporated innovative features such as a tricycle landing gear and Davis wing.


6/12/2016 9:56:31 PM EDT
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Navy.