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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:18:49 PM EST
In the opening sequence, after they land on the beach, they were all laying up against a sand burm. Tom Hanks character calls for what I believe to be called mangelors(sp)? Long tube shaped thingst that made a really big explosion after the fuse was lit. What exatly are these, what is there purpose?
Link Posted: 5/1/2001 10:36:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/1/2001 10:37:45 PM EST by Who_Me]
Bangalore torpedoes: Tube-shaped weapon filled with explosive (comp B) used to clear obstacles. Used from WWII through Vietnam era.
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 3:48:41 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 4:35:48 AM EST
Wow, that bring back memories! Never fired one in anger but once at 29 Stumps we slid a couple sections of bangalors under an old jeep we found in the desert along with a cratering charge and after moving back a hundred yards or so (not EVEN far enough away!) touched 'em off. Big hole in sand and a heavy downpour of jeep parts. LOL! I still remember watching that jeep axel turning end over end against the blue sky and wondering if any of my guys were gonna get dinged. Sometimes being a grunt wasn't too bad at all. Rocketman
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 4:37:06 AM EST
Wow, that brings back memories! Never fired one in anger but once in the late 70's at 29 Stumps we slid a couple sections of bangalors under an old jeep we found in the desert along with a cratering charge. After moving back a hundred yards or so (not EVEN far enough away!) we touched 'em off. Big hole in sand and a heavy downpour of jeep parts. LOL! I can still remember watching one of the jeep axels turning end over end against the blue sky and wondering if any of my guys were gonna get dinged. Sometimes being a grunt wasn't too bad at all. Rocketman
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 1:32:11 PM EST
bangalores are still in use today, there is also a navy version well kinda its for clearing obstacles and reefs. its a long rubber looking tube that you can fill with air or water its the mk something or other tube charge. its made of bang pretty damn sweet the old ones are black with brass fittings at the ends and the new ones are green.
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 2:06:02 PM EST
I think it was in the BIG RED one, where they show the bangalore in detail. They had a relay set up to place the charges....you went after the guy who had the lower number than you got whacked!! Check it out its a great movie with Lee Marvin!!
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 2:28:16 PM EST
At NTC, either '89 or '90, we had some Cobat Engineers clear a wire obstacle with a Bangalore. As a bonus, they ran blocks of C-4 about 10 feet on both sides of the Bangalore, attached with det cord. Now, THAT made a mess. Paul
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 6:23:36 PM EST
You guys are making me homesick. Spent many years as a 12B(Combat Engineer) In the ND Guard before moving to SD. Changed to 12C(Bridge crewman) before unit reorganized as an MP company. Bangalores were fun. Used to pack u-shaped pickets(fenceposts) with c-4 when the real thing wasn't avaiable, for training. Little more awkward, but does the same thing. [frag]
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 6:43:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 6:48:48 PM EST
ice15: check out a movie called "the big red one" shown better in that movie.
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 11:01:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/2/2001 11:02:42 PM EST by CPL_Punishment]
Yes we still use the Bangalore torpedo: http://www.wood.army.mil/DCD/nolimits/ENDIV/EN_Materiel/Bangalore_Torpedo.htm Link to other fielded Engineer systems (also see the demolitions section): http://www.wood.army.mil/DCD/nolimits/ENDIV/EN_Materiel/materiel_page.htm Also, here is the DEUCE: http://www.wood.army.mil/DCD/nolimits/ENDIV/EN_Materiel/DEUCE.htm -----BH Essayons!
Link Posted: 5/2/2001 11:26:25 PM EST
[url]http://www.wood.army.mil/DCD/nolimits/ENDIV/EN_Materiel/Bangalore_Torpedo.htm [/url] [url]http://www.wood.army.mil/DCD/nolimits/ENDIV/EN_Materiel/materiel_page.htm[/url] [url]http://www.wood.army.mil/DCD/nolimits/ENDIV/EN_Materiel/DEUCE.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 5/3/2001 2:14:19 AM EST
Whats this called.... I've seen a tank or APC or something fire something which looked like a huge rubber hose(coiled up and when fired, it expands). It goes out to a distance of about 50 yards, back to the launcher. Then boooom. Wouldn't stuff like that have replaced the old put it together bangalore torpedos?
Link Posted: 5/3/2001 6:57:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/3/2001 6:57:29 PM EST by Callahan44m]
Originally Posted By 7: Whats this called.... I've seen a tank or APC or something fire something which looked like a huge rubber hose(coiled up and when fired, it expands). It goes out to a distance of about 50 yards, back to the launcher. Then boooom. Wouldn't stuff like that have replaced the old put it together bangalore torpedos?
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It's the Mine Clearing Line Charge or MCLiC. Very good, when it works(about 1/2 to 3/4 of the time) Used for clearing vehicle lanes through Antitank minefields. Sometimes the rockets don't function. Usual malfunction is the arresting cables don't stop forward motion in time to prevent priming mechanism from being broken or pulled out, requiring charges to be primed by hand. Actually, the MCLiC and Bangalore have different missions. MCLiC being for vehicular path thru AT mines. Bangalore is used mostly for footpath thru anti-personnel mines, or more often, breaching wire obstacles. Both very good, just different missions. [rocket]
Link Posted: 5/4/2001 12:27:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/4/2001 5:50:36 PM EST by CPL_Punishment]
Originally Posted By Callahan44m:
Originally Posted By 7: Whats this called.... I've seen a tank or APC or something fire something which looked like a huge rubber hose(coiled up and when fired, it expands). It goes out to a distance of about 50 yards, back to the launcher. Then boooom. Wouldn't stuff like that have replaced the old put it together bangalore torpedos?
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It's the Mine Clearing Line Charge or MCLiC. Very good, when it works(about 1/2 to 3/4 of the time) Used for clearing vehicle lanes through Antitank minefields. Sometimes the rockets don't function. Usual malfunction is the arresting cables don't stop forward motion in time to prevent priming mechanism from being broken or pulled out, requiring charges to be primed by hand. Actually, the MCLiC and Bangalore have different missions. MCLiC being for vehicular path thru AT mines. Bangalore is used mostly for footpath thru anti-personnel mines, or more often, breaching wire obstacles. Both very good, just different missions. [rocket]
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First time i've seen a MICLIC was at the Engineer School in Ft. Leonard Wood. The rocket broke free and landed in a small arms range. Second time was in Ft. Irwin one had a dud motor and the arresting cable on the second one did break. Awesome though when the line charge is detonated. Army Engineers tow the MICLIC with an M113 ESV or place them on AVLBs (a tracked-vehicle) as a "double-barreled" AVLM. Marines place them in AAVs and can use them to clear lanes on a beach. MICLIC http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m58-miclic.htm AVLM http://ftp.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m60-avlm.htm AAV MICLIC http://ftp.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mk154.htm Here is the index of systems on the FAS site. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/index.html Plenty of information. The OICW section is quite interesting. -----BH MICLIC when it works. [img]www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mk155.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/4/2001 1:15:17 AM EST
Does anyone know how the Bangalore torpedo got its name? I know Bangalore is a city in India, but how it got applied to a long explosive charge, I don't know. Does anyone here know?
Link Posted: 5/4/2001 11:00:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/4/2001 10:59:58 AM EST by Callahan44m]
Bush Hamster, Thanks for the link. We never had the opportunity to fire a live one, but the last 2 training MCLiC's my old unit fired, the rocket did not fire on one. Long wait on the range to safe it. The MCLiC could be towed behind a 5ton truck as well, but would have to be fired from a position of cover(Naturally) ESSAYONS!
Link Posted: 5/4/2001 1:25:57 PM EST
BTW the Navy also uses line charges. They use two types: SABRE and DET. Both are lauched from an LCAC to clearing shallow water approaches to a beach. The SABRE uses one rocket to deploy a line charge. The DET uses two rockets to deploy a net charge. [img]www.exwar.org/whatsnew/asst_breach.gif[/img] Essayons!
Link Posted: 5/4/2001 5:29:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By Stormbringer: I think it was in the BIG RED one, where they show the bangalore in detail. They had a relay set up to place the charges....you went after the guy who had the lower number than you got whacked!! Check it out its a great movie with Lee Marvin!!
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Stormbringer. They did use them in the Big Red One. I remember Mark Hammil character saying, " I would like to meet the bastard who invented them"! Awesome movie.
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