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Posted: 7/12/2020 12:45:39 PM EDT
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Click To View Spoiler The first major purchase I made when I got my first job (1990 or 1991, don't remember) was a 1979 Ibanez Artist AR100. I picked up playing guitar in 1986 or so, and this was the first "real" guitar that I bought at the tender age of 19. I bought it from a neighbor who made me promise him that if I ever sold it, he'd get first dibs on it. I kept that thing for years. I played in a few bands, and owned more guitars than anyone should have. I ended up owning several Stratocasters, a thinline Tele, and some other stuff, but I always kept the Ibanez. I had gotten away from playing. In fact, my last gig was over 15 years ago, and I stopped work on the last song I recorded with my buddies, which I never finished, in 2006. Well, about a week ago, I had a dream that someone gave me a guitar. And a few nights later, that someone gave me an amplifier. I didn't know what it meant, but I started thinking about the Ibanez in the closet. That was too much guitar to simply be sitting there in the closet for so many years. They were going for around a thousand on eBay, but I didn't want to deal with shipping, potentially getting ripped off, etc. And I remembered my neighbor's desire that I contact him before selling. So, I went over to his house cold. No call ahead, no warning. Just knocked on his door. He let me in and we sat down and caught up for a bit. Finally I said, "Well, you know why I'm here..." His eyes lit up. What I didn't know was, the Ibanez was his first "real" guitar as well, right out of high school (he's a few years older than me). And when I brought it in, he was positively ecstatic. He didn't even flinch at the asking price. Wrote me a check for $850 without hesitation. Anywho, terribly long story short, that was the first time since about 1986 that I didn't own a guitar of any kind. It lasted about a day. I decided to get a beater to play around with and maybe get back into recording some. Looked around on Facebook and found an old Harmony H80-t. Now, by all regards, these are not fine instruments. But the guy selling it said that all of the electronics had been upgraded. And he had a demo of him playing it. It sounded pretty darn good. It was only a half hour away, so I went and looked at it. Played it myself. It needed some adjustment, but it wasn't bad at all, and the pickups seemed really hot. Selector switch, volume and tone all worked without static. Little to no hum even when running a single coil. He wanted $100 for it, so I got it. I've always wanted a CBS era strat. They're generally regarded as the years that Fender phoned it in, but there's something about a jumbo headstock that I like. I found another guitar that same day on Facebook. It was a Squier with a cracked body and a jumbo headstock. I looked at it and the neck looked perfectly straight. I offered the guy $50 and he took it. Then I found out you could get Strat bodies off of eBay for $30-40 shipped. Got me one of those, too. So, this has morphed from, "I'll get a cheap guitar to play for fun" into "I'm going to build a Partscaster". I'm not going to try to build a replica, rather...I'll call it an "homage" to a 1972 CBS Stratocaster. It'll obviously have a four-bolt neck (although, I suppose it wouldn't be hard to replicate the 3 bolt, either). and I'm going to use the tuners from the Harmony as they seem to work well and are close enough in terms of style. I'm even thinking of Lake Placid Blue, which was available that year, with some slightly yellowed lacquer to give it an aged look. Maybe not the full "thrown down the driveway" look, but something that looks older. I might go the whole nine yards and get the yellowed plastic parts to make it look authentic. Anyhow, if you never see me post in this thread again, you know I gave up on it...lol. genera |
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Good for you. I have made a few small repairs on my guitars (strats, Telly’s, LPs) but I never had the guts to do a build. Keep us posted. Like you I played out for years, but now just play in the living room 7 days a week. My guitars, Mesa Boogies, Marshall’s and other equipment just sit and wait in the basement.
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Quoted: Good for you. I have made a few small repairs on my guitars (strats, Telly’s, LPs) but I never had the guts to do a build. Keep us posted. Like you I played out for years, but now just play in the living room 7 days a week. My guitars, Mesa Boogies, Marshall’s and other equipment just sit and wait in the basement. View Quote I think with enough Youtube videos, I should be able to solve about any problem I come up against. I have enough carpentry tools that I can adjust stuff, like for example, if I have to make neck shims or fill stripped screw holes and re-drill, I can probably do that without much trouble. It'll be fun. I don't know how much I'll get back into guitars, but if I could make one and have it turn out decent, it'd be a fun little side gig building kits from eBay and flipping them for a profit. |
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Good project! I always enjoy working on my own stuff. It's a great feeling when you build, or repair something, and it turns out they way you wanted it to. I'll be following along.
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One of these days I'll do a build myself. I actually have a neck still lying around that I picked up years ago, but never got further than that.
For now, I just do little mods, like pickup and pot swaps. Just picked up a new guitar and found out that the pickups actually support coil splitting, but its not currently wired up for it. So going to get a push-pull pot and correct that. |
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Quoted: The first major purchase I made when I got my first job (1990 or 1991, don't remember) was a 1979 Ibanez Artist AR100. https://i.imgur.com/QMWEEKg.jpg I picked up playing guitar in 1986 or so, and this was the first "real" guitar that I bought at the tender age of 19. I bought it from a neighbor who made me promise him that if I ever sold it, he'd get first dibs on it. I kept that thing for years. I played in a few bands, and owned more guitars than anyone should have. I ended up owning several Stratocasters, a thinline Tele, and some other stuff, but I always kept the Ibanez. I had gotten away from playing. In fact, my last gig was over 15 years ago, and I stopped work on the last song I recorded with my buddies, which I never finished, in 2006. Well, about a week ago, I had a dream that someone gave me a guitar. And a few nights later, that someone gave me an amplifier. I didn't know what it meant, but I started thinking about the Ibanez in the closet. That was too much guitar to simply be sitting there in the closet for so many years. They were going for around a thousand on eBay, but I didn't want to deal with shipping, potentially getting ripped off, etc. And I remembered my neighbor's desire that I contact him before selling. So, I went over to his house cold. No call ahead, no warning. Just knocked on his door. He let me in and we sat down and caught up for a bit. Finally I said, "Well, you know why I'm here..." His eyes lit up. What I didn't know was, the Ibanez was his first "real" guitar as well, right out of high school (he's a few years older than me). And when I brought it in, he was positively ecstatic. He didn't even flinch at the asking price. Wrote me a check for $850 without hesitation. Anywho, terribly long story short, that was the first time since about 1986 that I didn't own a guitar of any kind. It lasted about a day. I decided to get a beater to play around with and maybe get back into recording some. Looked around on Facebook and found an old Harmony H80-t. Now, by all regards, these are not fine instruments. But the guy selling it said that all of the electronics had been upgraded. And he had a demo of him playing it. It sounded pretty darn good. It was only a half hour away, so I went and looked at it. Played it myself. It needed some adjustment, but it wasn't bad at all, and the pickups seemed really hot. Selector switch, volume and tone all worked without static. Little to no hum even when running a single coil. He wanted $100 for it, so I got it. I've always wanted a CBS era strat. They're generally regarded as the years that Fender phoned it in, but there's something about a jumbo headstock that I like. I found another guitar that same day on Facebook. It was a Squier with a cracked body and a jumbo headstock. I looked at it and the neck looked perfectly straight. I offered the guy $50 and he took it. Then I found out you could get Strat bodies off of eBay for $30-40 shipped. Got me one of those, too. So, this has morphed from, "I'll get a cheap guitar to play for fun" into "I'm going to build a Partscaster". I'm not going to try to build a replica, rather...I'll call it an "homage" to a 1972 CBS Stratocaster. It'll obviously have a four-bolt neck (although, I suppose it wouldn't be hard to replicate the 3 bolt, either). and I'm going to use the tuners from the Harmony as they seem to work well and are close enough in terms of style. I'm even thinking of Lake Placid Blue, which was available that year, with some slightly yellowed lacquer to give it an aged look. https://www.12fret.com/wp-content/gallery/fender_strat_blue72c/Fender_Strat_Blue72%28C%29.jpg Maybe not the full "thrown down the driveway" look, but something that looks older. I might go the whole nine yards and get the yellowed plastic parts to make it look authentic. Anyhow, if you never see me post in this thread again, you know I gave up on it...lol. View Quote The fun part is making it just how you want. I put a couple partscasters together that started with loaded pickguards then decided on the body color and neck profile and fingerboard. One has the aged white pickup covers and knobs like you mentioned and they look good on the right setup. Sounds like you already have the design in your head. I look forward to seeing the guitar when you have it ready to show. |
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I've got a starcaster that I want to upgrade. For some reason soldering and doing the wiring is very intimidating to me.
The starcaster has a full size strat body and is routed for humbuckers and I think I want to go that route. But I would like to keep both tone knobs. Either that or P90s. Or even single coils. But if I stay with single coils I want to get rid of the middle pup. I want to try that mod with my current pickguard and cheap pups just to see how I'd like that. And if I did do single coils I would love to do S-1 switching. Anyways.. The guitar you are aiming for is super cool looking. Can you post pics of the guitars you picked up? I'm in kind of the same boat as you. I used to play in bands when I was a young man. Started singing in a band when I was 17 and it was terrible. I don't think the bass player and guitarist ever tuned their guitar and I just sang. And it was heavy stuff so I'd just kill my voice. I think I remember spitting up blood a few times trying to sing so loud to keep up with them. Even though we had an amp for me to sing through. The guitarist just wanted to blast. The drummer was pretty good though and some of the songs were catchy. I quickly jumped into learning guitar and bass and drums just cuz I knew I didn't always want to play with them and the style of that band was not completely up my alley. So then I had about 8 years of intense singing songwriting playing with people learning a few different bands and some of them even made some decent music. At age 24 I got burnt out and figured it was never going anywhere. The band I played drums in played a pretty big show and went to a music conference in Philadelphia and he was this really fun short set at Samuel Adams pub. Where everyone was upbeat and got lots of cheering and it was great. The show I speak of we opened up for a more well known band that for some reason escapes me and there were a couple thousand there. Those two events were the peak of my music career. But that particular band had all kinds of infighting and wailing and gnashing of teeth and I quit. I also had my own band and was making a few songs I actually liked but I was burnt out. So I basically gave it up to "grow" up. I was never a super great guitarist but I do rhythm and sing and like that. I'm not a very good lead guitarist. I focus more on chords and such. Anyways... I was just trying to relate to your story with mine cuz your story sounded very similar to mine. I sold all my stuff except my Ibanez acoustic AE 300 that I bought new in about 1992 ish. I still have it. I ended up playing all three instruments in church after not playing for about 5 years. I played a lot of drums at first and then mostly bass. I play bass at my current church and love it. But recently one of my old drummers and I are starting to move towards making music. It's in it's infancy but I had a few songs I wrote recently and about 4 I wrote about 10 years ago and I would like to try and figure out how to record them decently and do some more of this music making before I die. I think playing music is something I could actually see doing into old age. I mean, dudes do that. I am also riding bikes and even doing some BMXing and I don't think I will be able to do that forever. The bmxiing part. LOL. I'm 48 so maybe a few years younger than you. I don't have a lot of money so trying to figure out what way to record is going to be a challenge. If you get set up for that, let e know what programs you are using and your set up. Especially if you're doing it on a small budget. I bought a Squier Tele and a vox 9159 amp I paid 150 for the guitar and 110 for the amp and I'm pretty pleased with both of them. I would've liked to get an all tube amp but they're not cheap. This amp uses a tube for the pre amp so the clean channel needs some help but liveable for now. The distortion sounds great and it has vibrato. I'm not going to win any tone awards but it's a start. I keep thinking about if I do or do not need a compressor pedal. I'd post pics but my imgur account went TU lately for some reason.... Grrrrrrr.... I'll see if I can find a new hosting site. |
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I've built several partscasters, sold some and parted some out. Just know if you are doing the finish right (nitrocellulose), Fender or American made components and proper toneswoods (no basswood or poplar), you will likely spend as much as you would for a lower end American made Fender. The thousand or so dollar Fenders and Gibsons are a tremendous bargain compared to what they traditionally cost.
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“Anyhow, if you never see me post in this thread again, you know I gave up on it...lol.”
Please, please post again and again. I was damn near praying just last night that some guitar builder would start a thread like this. Me ... I can barely hold a guitar. My son plays damn near any instrument he picks up. Guitar, bass, keyboard, drums. He started w a Jazzmaster and now has quite a variety of others, but we never really dug into any of them. That is changing now, as we have started to morph a decent Stratocaster into a “CooderCaster”. We have most of what we need, but may need to bounce some questions off you all if it’s OK. Would be happy to post them in this thread ? Or start another ? Or ? Stay safe |
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Just make a new post with your questions. Another good place for finishing questions is reranch.com
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Cool deal, if you run into any issues, post them up. I've been building electrics for years and years, and have a decent side business selling them so there's not likely something I haven't run across.
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Quoted: Cool deal, if you run into any issues, post them up. I've been building electrics for years and years, and have a decent side business selling them so there's not likely something I haven't run across. View Quote The builds and projects shared around here are really cool like the sparkle blue tele. I would love to see more of everyones projects posted up. I have a couple waiting for fun money to shake loose to complete but they are only assemblies from parts not actual luthier work. I'll have to remember to take some pics when working on them and post them up. |
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Someone needs to come back to this thread as long as it is alive and remind me to take my time.
The finish on my "practice piece" was looking really good. And then I got too heavy handed with the clearcoat. And it started making tiny bubbles, I'm assuming as the layers underneath hadn't dried and were off-gassing through the top layers. Anyway, it looks "interesting". The fact is, though, had I not rushed, I think it would actually look decent. I'm going to continue with wet sanding and re-coating just to keep learning about what will work and what doesn't. Also I've made a decision to do the topcoat in oil based polyurethane. Reason being, poly will more readily yellow as it ages, giving the antique looking finish I'm after. Plus I'm really comfortable working with poly and it can be painted over dried lacquer without issue. |
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Meguiar's swirl remover from Autozone is the ticket for buffing out fine swirl/scratch marks on poly surfaces.
For future reference, something that has saved me a lot of headaches is doing the primer/color/stain/base whatever....and taking the coat-ready body to an auto-body shop. A small, non-chain one usually is happy to give you a professional coat/buffed body for cheap. They're usually in the booth on a much larger car and turning around and hitting the body real quick is a simple task. I give the guy down the street from me $25 and a case of his favorite beer and he's happy to do them. Sometimes he turns down the cash, too. I can do the clear, and have done it on some builds with success, but it's the worst part of the finishing process and I'm happy to farm it out. |
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That's a great idea for getting small parts painted. I'll have to remember that if/when I need things painted since no matter how clean I try to keep things I end up with bugs and fuzz in the paint.
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Quoted: Meguiar's swirl remover from Autozone is the ticket for buffing out fine swirl/scratch marks on poly surfaces. For future reference, something that has saved me a lot of headaches is doing the primer/color/stain/base whatever....and taking the coat-ready body to an auto-body shop. A small, non-chain one usually is happy to give you a professional coat/buffed body for cheap. They're usually in the booth on a much larger car and turning around and hitting the body real quick is a simple task. I give the guy down the street from me $25 and a case of his favorite beer and he's happy to do them. Sometimes he turns down the cash, too. I can do the clear, and have done it on some builds with success, but it's the worst part of the finishing process and I'm happy to farm it out. View Quote I actually found some Meguiars swirl remover and it helped. But, the thing that helped the best was another light wet-sanding with 1000, then starting the rubbing over again. It's 10x better now. I'm starting the process over on the other side of my practice piece to make sure I can do it again without bubbling it. I feel pretty confident that I can. Right before I got the bubbles, I remember thinking, "I'm gonna lay the clearcoat to this and lay it flat so it flows smooth." That's when I ran into problems. Not only is it a bad idea, its not even necessary. This stuff works pretty easily and looks great when you get several thinner coats on it and sand & polish. Not worth rushing! I'll get it, even if I have to strip it once, re-sand, re-prime, and start over. Attempt #2 coming up tomorrow. |
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A couple of tips...
Warm your lacquer. Let the spray can sit in a sink full of warm water for about 10 minutes before you start spraying. It will spray finer, and flow out better. And of course, make sure the spray cap is 100% clean. Drop it in small bowl of lacquer thinner for a few minutes and wipe it off throughly. Buy these Micro Mesh sanding pads. Give your finish a few days to fully cure, and then wet sand it up to 12000 grit. It will look like shit (scratches), and you will think you have ruined the finish when you start with the 1500 grit. But by the time you get to 12000, it will shine like nothing you have ever seen before. No rubbing compound necessary. Be sure to use a very light hand when sanding, and it only takes a few passes with each grit. Change your water between each grit. I used these to wet sand the original Nitrocellulose lacquer finish on my Les Paul, and it looks better than new, now. Edit: I changed the link. The first link I put up may have been Chinese fakes. Edit again: Not great pictures, but here is a before and after shot. 27 years of built up grunge. After wet sanding to 12000 grit (and replacing darn near everything else, too).. |
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Quoted: A couple of tips... Warm your lacquer. Let the spray can sit in a sink full of warm water for about 10 minutes before you start spraying. It will spray finer, and flow out better. And of course, make sure the spray cap is 100% clean. Drop it in small bowl of lacquer thinner for a few minutes and wipe it off throughly. Buy these Micro Mesh sanding pads. Give your finish a few days to fully cure, and then wet sand it up to 12000 grit. It will look like shit (scratches), and you will think you have ruined the finish when you start with the 1500 grit. But by the time you get to 12000, it will shine like nothing you have ever seen before. No rubbing compound necessary. Be sure to use a very light hand when sanding, and it only takes a few passes with each grit. Change your water between each grit. I used these to wet sand the original Nitrocellulose lacquer finish on my Les Paul, and it looks better than new, now. Edit: I changed the link. The first link I put up may have been Chinese fakes. Edit again: Not great pictures, but here is a before and after shot. 27 years of built up grunge. https://pbase.com/david_3/image/170875905/original.jpg After wet sanding to 12000 grit (and replacing darn near everything else, too).. https://pbase.com/david_3/image/170875906/original.jpg View Quote That looks sweet. I've already taken some of your suggestions. I think I can do this. The operative word is PATIENCE. I want to go out and spray a bunch all at once, but you really have to do thin coats and build it up somewhat. It takes time. |
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Quoted: Someone needs to come back to this thread as long as it is alive and remind me to take my time. The finish on my "practice piece" was looking really good. And then I got too heavy handed with the clearcoat. And it started making tiny bubbles, I'm assuming as the layers underneath hadn't dried and were off-gassing through the top layers. Anyway, it looks "interesting". The fact is, though, had I not rushed, I think it would actually look decent. I'm going to continue with wet sanding and re-coating just to keep learning about what will work and what doesn't. Also I've made a decision to do the topcoat in oil based polyurethane. Reason being, poly will more readily yellow as it ages, giving the antique looking finish I'm after. Plus I'm really comfortable working with poly and it can be painted over dried lacquer without issue. View Quote Bubbles in the clear finish could also be tiny dust particles. Standard traditional varnish was notorious for that. |
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Quoted: After wet sanding to 12000 grit (and replacing darn near everything else, too).. https://pbase.com/david_3/image/170875906/original.jpg View Quote Never wanted to own an LP until i saw what you did there. With the gloss knocked off its gorgeous! |
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Quoted: Never wanted to own an LP until i saw what you did there. With the gloss knocked off its gorgeous! View Quote It was pretty shiny when it was new, but over the years, the dirt, sweat, heat from your hands/arm works down into the lacquer, and then it starts to get that "cloudy" look. Sanding, cuts back the top surface of the lacquer, where all of the grunge is, so it looks crystal clear, again. It worked great on the body. The lacquer on the back of the neck is much improved, but not quite a clear as that on the body. I chickened out, because I didn't want to go too far with it. Sanding through the finish, and into the wood, would have been a real dumb move. |
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Quoted: Complete change of gears. Got to thinking about the LP blue finish. It would look just like a factory Strat. I can get a factory Strat by buying a factory Strat. But, I can make something that doesn't look like a factory Strat...or any other Strat, or any other electric guitar for that matter. So, I made grain filler out of wood filler and black paint, diluted it with a little water to make a thin paste, then filled the entire body of the guitar... https://i.postimg.cc/7hym4Dm5/IMG-20200716-191426466.jpg Then, sanded back to wood: https://i.postimg.cc/5y6NxdyM/IMG-20200716-201723040.jpg Then, hit it with the blue dye: https://i.postimg.cc/Jhktj3rV/IMG-20200717-094742439-HDR.jpg Distressed the grain a bit by sanding: https://i.postimg.cc/Yqd2YcRc/IMG-20200717-162012459.jpg And now, layering on the Tru Oil... https://i.postimg.cc/qgVD9cDZ/signal-attachment-2020-07-19-164143.jpg Added bonus...the Tru Oil is a bit yellow, so it's slowly turning the color turquoise. I'm OK with that...lol. View Quote The movement of the grain on the body looks really good with the color choice. |
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Yeah, it's crazy everything that's going on in that grain. I'm glad I filled it before I started or it wouldn't have been nearly as interesting.
When I get it finished and all shined up, I'll take some non-potato pics of it in sunlight with my good camera and post them here. |
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I'm liking where you're going with this build.
Looks really great. As an aside, Sherwin-Williams commercial (not consumer) stores have a full range of dyes for wood to play with. For a small project like this on a slow day they would probably lay on the dye for free. |
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Quoted: Yeah, it's crazy everything that's going on in that grain. I'm glad I filled it before I started or it wouldn't have been nearly as interesting. When I get it finished and all shined up, I'll take some non-potato pics of it in sunlight with my good camera and post them here. View Quote How's the project going? Any new pics to show of the progress? |
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I haven't messed with the guitar for a few days, partly because of other things needing done, but mainly out of frustration.
I know this is a gun forum and I know lots of people use Tru Oil and love it. I am not among those people. Heck, even my own DAD said I should use it. Put it on thin...when I go to sand it out...even with 800, 1500, or 3000 grit, I still get blue dye coming off. The finish is SO thin. When I apply it heavier, I get runs and sags. There's a happy medium there that I can't seem to hit. So frustrating. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but learning a new way of finishing on a project this big is kind of stupid. I know what I can get from polyurethane. I know that, with a light scuff with 400 grit, it will paint just fine over Tru Oil. So, I started with that this evening. It already looks 10x better. I was going to keep applying coats until the can ran out, but after about the 4th coat, I did the old "turn the can upside down to clean the nozzle" trick, and for some reason, all of the propellant came out. Letting off on the button did nothing. I just had to set the can down on the sidewalk and let it do its thing. Ripoff. So, with polyurethane, you can respray within 2 hours, and if you can't make it within that window, you must wait 72 hours. In hindsight, I probably could have run to WalMart and back, but I had other things to do that kept me around the house. So, looks like I'm out of comission until Tuesday. Anyway, slight hiccup, but the guitar is looking fantastic. I'm probably going to put like 10 coats or more on, so there's no chance of sanding through when I wet sand. I'll try to get a pic tomorrow. |
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Well, it's looking pretty good right now. My big fear is, after all this work, I hope I don't mess up drilling any holes.
I guess there's always wood glue and toothpicks...lol. |
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That's too bad about sanding through the finish. But it looks like you did a very nice repair on it. I've never tried sanding polyurethane, so I'm following along to see the results.
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Quoted: That's too bad about sanding through the finish. But it looks like you did a very nice repair on it. I've never tried sanding polyurethane, so I'm following along to see the results. View Quote I found it easier to wet sand and put a shine on polyurethane than I did lacquer. And of course, Tru Oil, lol. The good thing about spraying it is, it's easy to build up coats. Every hour or so, just go out and spray another coat. By the time you're through the can, you've got a thick sanding surface to work with. Unless you don't pay attention and get it too thin... |
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Great work on filling the thin spot. I just realized a pick guard is going to cover up some of the cool grain in that wood. The finish is coming out really nice.
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Quoted: Great work on filling the thin spot. I just realized a pick guard is going to cover up some of the cool grain in that wood. The finish is coming out really nice. View Quote Yeah. I "cheated" and didn't wet sand as closely in a couple of places that the pick guard was going to cover. |
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Fantastic! How do you like playing it? Is the fretboard pretty squared away?
So it was a Squier neck with Fender markings? |
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Yeah, it's a Squier neck, and it's pretty good. I've had a few Stratocasters in the past and this neck doesn't seem bad at all in comparison. I sighted down it on both sides and put a straightedge on the frets and everything is kosher. No truss rod adjustment or shimming required.
The guitar it came off of had a cracked body and was in unplayable condition. It looked like it had been sitting in a closet for a while. Date of manufacture is 2004. I haven't bought strings yet, but I got a couple sets with the broken guitar. They're 9's . Gonna get a set of 10's on it before I start messing with setting up the intonation, but like I said, its not terrible as it is right now. I'll post some audio and non-potato pics of it when I get a chance. I've been playing it through my old digital processor and running right out into a Bluetooth speaker...so I want to hook it up to my old Music Man Twin at some point and see how it sounds through real equipment. But, that won't be today, because I spent all day yesterday on guitar, looks like today will be honeydew...lol. |
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