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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:19:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Yes,exactly. I tried many times to explain that on here but unfortunately their propaganda works on dullards. Trump was one of them because it made it look like Putin respected him,the exact same as how Xi was able to stroke his ego. He was a goddamn fool to have listened to Kissinger regarding both. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bosifus: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: The devious thing about the Russian information warfare strategy is that their goal is destabilization of the west. Most people, including the media, are constantly searching for an alliance or which side the Russians are on. They are on their own side and America and western Europe are the enemies. To this end, they generate and distribute propaganda to undermine whomever is in power at the time. When Trump was in office Russia made an effort to make Trump look like a Russian puppet because that sowed dissent in America. Now that Biden is in office, Russia is trying to make themselves look like the good guys, fighting the good fight against "globohomo" with their conservative values. Neither of these narratives are true but its effective for them because their targeted audience eats that shit up. Yes,exactly. I tried many times to explain that on here but unfortunately their propaganda works on dullards. Trump was one of them because it made it look like Putin respected him,the exact same as how Xi was able to stroke his ego. He was a goddamn fool to have listened to Kissinger regarding both. Remember GWB looking into Pootie Poot's soul? 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:20:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: What makes you so confident? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By AROKIE: You think putin wouldnt have still moved forward into Ukraine this week if trump was president? i find that hard to believe, I dont think anyone or anything would have stopped him and he has pretty much proved that this week. Zero chance this would have happened under Trump. What makes you so confident? Probably the massive retaliation by Trump against Iran after they launched an SRBM attack against our airbase at Al Asad that destroyed hundreds of millions in assets and threatened the lives of 2000 troops. Oh wait, nothing was done in response to that... Oops. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:20:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Funny. We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Some of the militias defending Ukraine are outright NAZI, and have even been incorporated into the Ukrainian's military forces. "SUPPORT THE NAZIS, OR YOURE A FASCIST!" - Joe Walsh right now...probably. At this point the Ukrainians aren't marching in a parade. Anyone that will hold a rifle and stand in line is a good Ukrainian. That Nazi bullshit is all Russian propaganda. More neonazis were in the Russian "volunteer" forces during 2014 Ultranationalists yes. The Nazi card is just Russian propaganda to keep arms flowing into Ukraine. Less than 5% of Azov battalion adheres to Nazi ideology and they are the most labeled and triggered unit in Ukraine. What's funny is that the few who are Nazi are open about it and that everyones beliefs are tolerated even fringe elements. Ukraine protects a persons right to think however they want for the most part. The pro Russian groups in Ukraine have dwindled to almost nothing over the last 8 years This....who gives a damn what their personal beliefs are as long as their rifle is pointed in the right direction. Exactly, although it's an overblown Kremlin bullshit talking point ment to keep Arms out of Ukraine We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png Stands for National Identity it's not a Wolfsangel. And by the way, the Germans used the Wolsangel for hundreds of years - you know long before the Nazis were around. You realize that the president of Ukraine is Jewish right? And that Ukraine was the only country outside of Israel to have both a president and prime minister who were both Jewish. You know that the Jewish president supports the Azov Battalion right? You know that some of the leadership of the Azov Battalion are Jewish right? It's like when the media shows up at a 500 table gun show and there is one skinhead there selling Nazi memorabilia for the purpose of promoting it. Then they report is "Gun Shows are Gatherings for Nazi Party Meetings". The so-called Donetsk Republic and so-called Luhansk Republic are both communist - why aren't you bitching about that? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:21:21 AM EDT
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More references to cyber attacks in Ukraine...
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:21:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Funny. We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Some of the militias defending Ukraine are outright NAZI, and have even been incorporated into the Ukrainian's military forces. "SUPPORT THE NAZIS, OR YOURE A FASCIST!" - Joe Walsh right now...probably. At this point the Ukrainians aren't marching in a parade. Anyone that will hold a rifle and stand in line is a good Ukrainian. That Nazi bullshit is all Russian propaganda. More neonazis were in the Russian "volunteer" forces during 2014 Ultranationalists yes. The Nazi card is just Russian propaganda to keep arms flowing into Ukraine. Less than 5% of Azov battalion adheres to Nazi ideology and they are the most labeled and triggered unit in Ukraine. What's funny is that the few who are Nazi are open about it and that everyones beliefs are tolerated even fringe elements. Ukraine protects a persons right to think however they want for the most part. The pro Russian groups in Ukraine have dwindled to almost nothing over the last 8 years This....who gives a damn what their personal beliefs are as long as their rifle is pointed in the right direction. Exactly, although it's an overblown Kremlin bullshit talking point ment to keep Arms out of Ukraine We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png I don’t know or care about the whole Nazi fight…but is that an actual Nazi symbol, or merely something with a zig zag that triggers you? Offering that symbol as proof of nahtseeness on the basis of looks alone is bizarre. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:22:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: You wouldn't have a problem with Atomwaffen being incorporated into an officially recognized National Guard Unit?  Allowing them to continue operations against the Russians, sure I can see that. But officially recognizing them, and incorporating them into your own forces? Yeah, that sounds like a bad idea. You're just some clown on the internet trying to look like the high-minded moral tough guy when you have no tough moral choices to make. Just like the left. In peacetime, sure, give them all the shit they deserve. In a time of war, like right now, all you're doing is giving peace and comfort to actual leftist dictators, their cronies, and pawns. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:23:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Leader of AZOV "I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew." But yeah, nothing to see here folks. Meanwhile the left will argue that the Trucker protests were *ALL NAZIS* because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Swastika flag and was told to GTFO. Nazi crashes your protest, even if you tell him to GFTO = YOURE A NAZI! Officially recognize a Neo-Nazi militia = Totally fine! |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:24:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Ukraine asks turkey to close black sea off to russia....Be interesting to see which way Turkey goes on this.
I'm going to guess Turkey will not attempt a defacto blockade of the Russian navy. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:25:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Remember GWB looking into Pootie Poot's soul? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bosifus: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: The devious thing about the Russian information warfare strategy is that their goal is destabilization of the west. Most people, including the media, are constantly searching for an alliance or which side the Russians are on. They are on their own side and America and western Europe are the enemies. To this end, they generate and distribute propaganda to undermine whomever is in power at the time. When Trump was in office Russia made an effort to make Trump look like a Russian puppet because that sowed dissent in America. Now that Biden is in office, Russia is trying to make themselves look like the good guys, fighting the good fight against "globohomo" with their conservative values. Neither of these narratives are true but its effective for them because their targeted audience eats that shit up. Yes,exactly. I tried many times to explain that on here but unfortunately their propaganda works on dullards. Trump was one of them because it made it look like Putin respected him,the exact same as how Xi was able to stroke his ego. He was a goddamn fool to have listened to Kissinger regarding both. Remember GWB looking into Pootie Poot's soul? "hEy, YeR taLk'IN sHiT 'bOuT DuBya!" |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:27:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: "hEy, YeR taLk'IN sHiT 'bOuT DuBya!" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bosifus: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: The devious thing about the Russian information warfare strategy is that their goal is destabilization of the west. Most people, including the media, are constantly searching for an alliance or which side the Russians are on. They are on their own side and America and western Europe are the enemies. To this end, they generate and distribute propaganda to undermine whomever is in power at the time. When Trump was in office Russia made an effort to make Trump look like a Russian puppet because that sowed dissent in America. Now that Biden is in office, Russia is trying to make themselves look like the good guys, fighting the good fight against "globohomo" with their conservative values. Neither of these narratives are true but its effective for them because their targeted audience eats that shit up. Yes,exactly. I tried many times to explain that on here but unfortunately their propaganda works on dullards. Trump was one of them because it made it look like Putin respected him,the exact same as how Xi was able to stroke his ego. He was a goddamn fool to have listened to Kissinger regarding both. Remember GWB looking into Pootie Poot's soul? "hEy, YeR taLk'IN sHiT 'bOuT DuBya!" Dubya is awesome as far as picking his besties... 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:27:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf Russia further invades and Ukrainian forces have to fall back, they should absolutely destroy every section of railway during their retrograde. Don't leave behind anything that could benefit the Russians. The same applies to bridges and ports. Blow the fuck out of everything. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:28:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Leader of AZOV "I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew." But yeah, nothing to see here folks. Meanwhile the left will argue that the Trucker protests were *ALL NAZIS* because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Swastika flag and was told to GTFO. Nazi crashes your protest, even if you tell him to GFTO = YOURE A NAZI! Officially recognize a Neo-Nazi militia = Totally fine! https://media4.giphy.com/media/6idqG60e7D9e0/giphy.gif
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:29:03 AM EDT
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Just throwing shit at the wall here but how likely would it be for Russia to get Iran to mess with shipping through the Straits as a response to the sanctions.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:29:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Leader of AZOV "I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew." But yeah, nothing to see here folks. Meanwhile the left will argue that the Trucker protests were *ALL NAZIS* because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Swastika flag and was told to GTFO. Nazi crashes your protest, even if you tell him to GFTO = YOURE A NAZI! Officially recognize a Neo-Nazi militia = Totally fine! YOU are the one that continues to keep bringing this up... |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:30:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Of course you wouldn't. You've defended Trudeaus crackdown on the protestors. You think the protests are just a "Russian operation" or some shit. Seriously. Give it a rest or start your own thread |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:30:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hiyaboa]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Of course you wouldn't. You've defended Trudeaus crackdown on the protestors. You think the protests are just a "Russian operation" or some shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Leader of AZOV "I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew." But yeah, nothing to see here folks. Meanwhile the left will argue that the Trucker protests were *ALL NAZIS* because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Swastika flag and was told to GTFO. Nazi crashes your protest, even if you tell him to GFTO = YOURE A NAZI! Officially recognize a Neo-Nazi militia = Totally fine! https://media4.giphy.com/media/6idqG60e7D9e0/giphy.gif Stop trying to derail the thread |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:30:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBill375: Update from Central Ukraine: We are currently living under martial law. It began today, the 23rd of Feb and will last for 30 days, with the ability to be extended. A force of 30,000 reserves have been activated. The newspaper came in my mailbox today and on the front page was a statement from the mayor of my oblast. It stated that the oblast stands ready for war and to defend ourselves. Extra precautions have been taken to defend vital infrastructure and the police force has been doubled. It also listed all the evacuation centers in the city and told people to prepare 3 days worth of food in the even they need to sit in bomb shelters for an extended period of time. I never though Putin was this insane but I have seen a nonstop ramping up of aggression against the sovereignty of Ukraine and I believe Zelensky doing a good job with the shit mess he was handed. At this point it is crystal clear. Ukraine will not give up any territory or legitimize Putin's occupations. If they try to take the areas of the Donbas that Ukrainian forces currently occupy by force or invade elsewhere, we are in an all out war. Current studies show that most Ukrainians are willing to fight or support the war effort any way they can. There have also been reports that Russian troop morale is very low, as they don't want a brothers war as well. No one that I personally know has left the country. All the neighbors in my apartment that I know are still here. All my extended family refuses to leave. No one will abandon their home and country. Civilians have been buying weapons left and right. Ammo on the civilian market is now scarce, at least here and from what I hear in Kyiv as well. I have also seen a sharp drop in fighting age males out in public. I believe many have answered the call to defend their homeland. The flow of weapons from our allies around the world still continues to flow into the country. слава україні!!! Героям Слава! Bill - Good luck, God Bless, and watch your back. Also be care what you say to others and on the internet. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:31:21 AM EDT
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Good morning fellow firearms enthusiasts. Can we consider limiting our posts to more signal and less noise? The purse swinging makes it really hard to stay engaged in this one. Maybe we can have a separate thread for emotional tampon soaking, all talk about Trump, and other assorted GD detritus?
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:31:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Of course you wouldn't. You've defended Trudeaus crackdown on the protestors. You think the protests are just a "Russian operation" or some shit. I think this would be a reasonable topic for its own thread. You’re just gonna get slapped around in here because it’s derailing this one. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:33:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: If Russia further invades and Ukrainian forces have to fall back, they should absolutely destroy every section of railway during their retrograde. Don't leave behind anything that could benefit the Russians. The same applies to bridges and ports. Blow the fuck out of everything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: If Russia further invades and Ukrainian forces have to fall back, they should absolutely destroy every section of railway during their retrograde. Don't leave behind anything that could benefit the Russians. The same applies to bridges and ports. Blow the fuck out of everything. Shame they can't flood things and turn it all into a giant marsh. Weathermap shows it's quite warm relatively..... https://www.weather-forecast.com/topographic-maps/Ukraine?symbols=cities.forecast.temp  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:34:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Easterner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Funny. We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since.  Attached FileMost people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:34:15 AM EDT
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back on track
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:34:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whoanelly: Good morning fellow firearms enthusiasts. Can we consider limiting our posts to more signal and less noise? The purse swinging makes it really hard to stay engaged in this one. Maybe we can have a separate thread for emotional tampon soaking, all talk about Trump, and other assorted GD detritus? Graphic  but well said
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:35:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Stands for National Identity it's not a Wolfsangel. And by the way, the Germans used the Wolsangel for hundreds of years - you know long before the Nazis were around. You realize that the president of Ukraine is Jewish right? And that Ukraine was the only country outside of Israel to have both a president and prime minister who were both Jewish. You know that the Jewish president supports the Azov Battalion right? You know that some of the leadership of the Azov Battalion are Jewish right? It's like when the media shows up at a 500 table gun show and there is one skinhead there selling Nazi memorabilia for the purpose of promoting it. Then they report is "Gun Shows are Gatherings for Nazi Party Meetings". The so-called Donetsk Republic and so-called Luhansk Republic are both communist - why aren't you bitching about that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Some of the militias defending Ukraine are outright NAZI, and have even been incorporated into the Ukrainian's military forces. "SUPPORT THE NAZIS, OR YOURE A FASCIST!" - Joe Walsh right now...probably. At this point the Ukrainians aren't marching in a parade. Anyone that will hold a rifle and stand in line is a good Ukrainian. That Nazi bullshit is all Russian propaganda. More neonazis were in the Russian "volunteer" forces during 2014 Ultranationalists yes. The Nazi card is just Russian propaganda to keep arms flowing into Ukraine. Less than 5% of Azov battalion adheres to Nazi ideology and they are the most labeled and triggered unit in Ukraine. What's funny is that the few who are Nazi are open about it and that everyones beliefs are tolerated even fringe elements. Ukraine protects a persons right to think however they want for the most part. The pro Russian groups in Ukraine have dwindled to almost nothing over the last 8 years This....who gives a damn what their personal beliefs are as long as their rifle is pointed in the right direction. Exactly, although it's an overblown Kremlin bullshit talking point ment to keep Arms out of Ukraine We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png Stands for National Identity it's not a Wolfsangel. And by the way, the Germans used the Wolsangel for hundreds of years - you know long before the Nazis were around. You realize that the president of Ukraine is Jewish right? And that Ukraine was the only country outside of Israel to have both a president and prime minister who were both Jewish. You know that the Jewish president supports the Azov Battalion right? You know that some of the leadership of the Azov Battalion are Jewish right? It's like when the media shows up at a 500 table gun show and there is one skinhead there selling Nazi memorabilia for the purpose of promoting it. Then they report is "Gun Shows are Gatherings for Nazi Party Meetings". The so-called Donetsk Republic and so-called Luhansk Republic are both communist - why aren't you bitching about that? It's probably Karl's alt account |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:35:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: You've defended Trudeaus crackdown on the protestors. Cite? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:36:19 AM EDT
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It’s probably just me but is the amount of OSINT coming out of UKR and the surrounding areas starting to taper off?
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:36:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220223_172428_2_jpg-2290045.JPG Most people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Funny. We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220223_172428_2_jpg-2290045.JPG Most people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. That weather map I found....is it accurate. Is it really that warm in Eastern Ukraine? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:37:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Pakistan's Prime Minister tells RT he does not believe in military conflicts.
LOL Pakistan nervous or something? They basically know what Russia did was wrong, but still love their Russian shit. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:38:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220223_172428_2_jpg-2290045.JPG Most people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Funny. We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220223_172428_2_jpg-2290045.JPG Most people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:38:36 AM EDT
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Some sort of ceremony or event going on in Odessa with what appears to be law enforcement, maybe local military and medical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sHimKzFHqk Godspeed Ukraine. Slava Ukraini, Heroyam Slava. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:38:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Cite? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:40:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: In another thread, you posted about how the Trucker Convoy is disrupting supply chains and helping the Russians invade Ukraine. In the context of Europe, for which that statement was made, how does that defend Trudeau's crackdown? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:40:19 AM EDT
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Russia says response to Biden's sanctions will be 'finely-tuned' and PAINFUL: Kremlin insists nothing will deter Russian forces as Ukraine declares state of emergency allowing all citizens to carry guns and Putin boasts of 'advanced' hypersonic weapons
Russia warned there would be a 'painful' response to sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies against Vladimir Putin's inner circle as Ukraine's security council has declared a nationwide state of emergency. Ukraine appears braced for conflict as Vladimir Putin boasted of the battle-readiness of Russia's armed forces as President Joe Biden warned of an impending full-scale invasion of the country. Sanctions appear not to be working. Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs called them part of Washington's 'ongoing attempts to change Russia's course,' and added that the pressure will not prove to be a deterrence. 'There should be no doubt that sanctions will receive a strong response, not necessarily symmetrical, but finely tuned and painful to the American side,' the ministry said on Wednesday.    Russian armored vehicles at the railway station in Rostov region, Russia       A Ukrainian pilot boards a fighter jet at an air base in an undisclosed region of the country early Wednesday, as he takes part in combat readiness drills amid fears Russian is about to invade  A Ukrainian Su-34 fighter jet, originally made in Russia, takes off from an airfield in an undisclosed region of the country amid fears that Russia is about to stage a full-scale invasion  The tail fins of Ukrainian Su-34 fighter jets are seen at an undisclosed air field somewhere in Ukraine  Russian volunteers carry medical supplies to a warehouse in the city of Taganrog, close to the border of Ukraine  Russian President Vladimir Putin takes part in a wreath laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier by the Kremlin Wall on the Defender of the Fatherland Day in Moscow Link |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220223_172428_2_jpg-2290045.JPG Most people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Funny. We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220223_172428_2_jpg-2290045.JPG Most people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. Heck, I'd even look past all of that.. if it wasn't for the fact that the leader himself said that the only reason he hates Putin, is because Putin is a Jew. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:40:41 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Fine. If we're willing to accept that... then we should be willing to call BS when the left claims that the Trucker Convoy is a "Nazi uprising" because one guy showed up with a Nazi flag, who was then promptly told to GTFO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Originally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Funny. We'll accept the left's talking points about some movement being NAZI, because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Nazi flag. But totally look the other way when an actual neo-nazi group is not just embraced... but CELEBRATED in the Ukraine. Yeah, take a look at this logo... totally doesn't look Nazi at all! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/AZOV_logo.svg/150px-AZOV_logo.svg.png This logo? The Wolfsangel from the 15th century symbolizing liberty and independence? Sorry your feelings are hurt. Yes the Nazis used a lot of old symbols and feelings have been hurt ever since. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220223_172428_2_jpg-2290045.JPG Most people in Ukraine aren't as emotional and easily triggered. Please start a new thread and let this one get back on track. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:41:41 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: That weather map I found....is it accurate. Is it really that warm in Eastern Ukraine? 42° F this morning. 32° F tonight. Yes, unseasonally warm right now. I went down to Berdyansk (Sea of Azov) about a week ago and the sea was without any ice. This time last year it was frozen over on the surface. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:41:44 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: In the context of Europe, for which that statement was made, how does that defend Trudeau's crackdown? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: In another thread, you posted about how the Trucker Convoy is disrupting supply chains and helping the Russians invade Ukraine. In the context of Europe, for which that statement was made, how does that defend Trudeau's crackdown? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:42:22 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russia says response to Biden's sanctions will be 'finely-tuned' and PAINFUL: Kremlin insists nothing will deter Russian forces as Ukraine declares state of emergency allowing all citizens to carry guns and Putin boasts of 'advanced' hypersonic weapons Russia warned there would be a 'painful' response to sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies against Vladimir Putin's inner circle as Ukraine's security council has declared a nationwide state of emergency. Ukraine appears braced for conflict as Vladimir Putin boasted of the battle-readiness of Russia's armed forces as President Joe Biden warned of an impending full-scale invasion of the country. Sanctions appear not to be working. Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs called them part of Washington's 'ongoing attempts to change Russia's course,' and added that the pressure will not prove to be a deterrence. 'There should be no doubt that sanctions will receive a strong response, not necessarily symmetrical, but finely tuned and painful to the American side,' the ministry said on Wednesday. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54515371-10542199-Putin_is_thought_to_be_planning_a_full_scale_invasion_of_Ukraine-a-32_1645627529588.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54516877-10542199-Russia_has_up_to_190_000_troops_backed_by_tanks_artillery_fighte-a-33_1645627529591.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54551727-10542199-Russian_armored_vehicles_at_the_railway_station_in_Rostov_region-a-28_1645627529482.jpg Russian armored vehicles at the railway station in Rostov region, Russia https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54553855-10542199-The_Russian_Embassy_in_Kiev_where_its_flag_does_not_appear_to_be-a-30_1645627529576.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54541699-10542199-Russia_s_lap_dog_parliament_yesterday_handed_Putin_the_necessary-a-38_1645627529681.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54541707-10542199-Russia_has_for_months_been_massing_troops_tanks_and_support_vehi-a-39_1645627529683.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54541711-10542199-Russian_armoured_troop_transports_are_pictured_in_an_assembly_ar-a-40_1645627529685.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54541691-10542199-Russia_has_alternately_claimed_to_be_staging_routine_training_ex-a-41_1645627529772.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54541549-10542199-A_Ukrainian_pilot_boards_a_fighter_jet_at_an_air_base_in_an_undi-a-43_1645627529782.jpg A Ukrainian pilot boards a fighter jet at an air base in an undisclosed region of the country early Wednesday, as he takes part in combat readiness drills amid fears Russian is about to invade https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54541553-10542199-A_Ukrainian_Su_34_fighter_jet_originally_made_in_Russia_takes_of-a-44_1645627529789.jpg A Ukrainian Su-34 fighter jet, originally made in Russia, takes off from an airfield in an undisclosed region of the country amid fears that Russia is about to stage a full-scale invasion https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54541551-10542199-The_tail_fins_of_Ukrainian_Su_34_fighter_jets_are_seen_at_an_und-a-45_1645627529790.jpg The tail fins of Ukrainian Su-34 fighter jets are seen at an undisclosed air field somewhere in Ukraine https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54530713-10542199-Russian_volunteers_carry_medical_supplies_to_a_warehouse_in_the_-a-48_1645627529872.jpg Russian volunteers carry medical supplies to a warehouse in the city of Taganrog, close to the border of Ukraine https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/23/14/54551721-10542199-Russian_President_Vladimir_Putin_takes_part_in_a_wreath_laying_c-a-29_1645627529571.jpg Russian President Vladimir Putin takes part in a wreath laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier by the Kremlin Wall on the Defender of the Fatherland Day in Moscow Link Good info. Thank you. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:42:22 AM EDT
[#39]
saw a couple rivet joints in the air again this morning with a tanker fueling them up. They are still up right now as well.
They are still focusing on the border with Belarus. global hawk is up right now too at 52,000 https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae5420 |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:42:33 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Fine. If we're willing to accept that... then we should be willing to call BS when the left claims that the Trucker Convoy is a "Nazi uprising" because one guy showed up with a Nazi flag, who was then promptly told to GTFO. I think you're in the wrong thread. I haven't seen any truck convoys other than those caring Russian troops to our border.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:43:07 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: 42° F this morning. 32° F tonight. Yes, unseasonally warm right now. I went down to Berdyansk (Sea of Azov) about a week ago and the sea was without any ice. This time last year it was frozen over on the surface. Is the ground drying out? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:43:33 AM EDT
[#42]
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:44:01 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Seemed like you were condemning the truckers... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: In another thread, you posted about how the Trucker Convoy is disrupting supply chains and helping the Russians invade Ukraine. In the context of Europe, for which that statement was made, how does that defend Trudeau's crackdown? Seems like you should stop derailing the thread with imagined bullshit. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:44:28 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: I think you're in the wrong thread. I haven't seen any truck convoys other than those caring Russian troops to our border. I’m starting to wonder if the derailing attempt isn’t on purpose. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:44:59 AM EDT
[#45]
If you are Ukraine, even if you are a stronger Military, how the fuck do you defend that. 75% of the border of the country is Russia or Russia Ally. There are no bottle necks or choke points....
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:45:34 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: This guy has been calling Russia bullshit and got his twitter account locked....
Him and a bunch of other OSINT accounts. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:45:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Easterner]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: I'd even accept your argument, except... those patches have *TWO* Nazi Symbols in it. Not just the Wolfsangel, but also the Blacksun. Heck, I'd even look past all of that.. if it wasn't for the fact that the leader himself said that the only reason he hates Putin, is because Putin is a Jew. Nevermind. God speed to anyone willing to stand up to the Russian threat. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:45:48 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Leader of AZOV "I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew." But yeah, nothing to see here folks. Meanwhile the left will argue that the Trucker protests were *ALL NAZIS* because *ONE GUY* showed up with a Swastika flag and was told to GTFO. Nazi crashes your protest, even if you tell him to GFTO = YOURE A NAZI! Officially recognize a Neo-Nazi militia = Totally fine! Our space program was run by a Nazi. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:45:59 AM EDT
[#49]
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:46:09 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: It’s probably just me but is the amount of OSINT coming out of UKR and the surrounding areas starting to taper off? Coordinated reporting attack on twitter aggregators. Original source platforms such as telegram and VK are still providing plenty of intel. Right now you're just missing the middle man. |
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